[surferjoe2007]

Hi! New here. Found you here from your prompt on reddit. I realize this is an old thread, but I thought I'd ask anyway.  I was interested in your comment about perkiness. I'm fine with my breast size, but was wondering if you have any suggestions for herbs/supplements for skin tightening/lifting?

I’ve been working on a revised nbe guide.  Here’s a section for now.  For skin tightening you can also check out lotion forums for the best ingredients to look for in lotions or to diy and add to a lotion you already have.  I’m still reading up on that topic myself.

How do I increase perkiness?

• Collagen fuel/perkiness: 3,000 mg MSM.  However there is already enough in the foods I suggest.
  
• Make shape wider/rounder instead of longer/pointy (only if this is an issue for you): 1 capsule vitex (precise dose is not important).  If not enough then you can use progesterone cream instead, but guess and test the amount because too much might make breasts shrink instead of grow.  Unless complemented with estrogen, whether from a pre-existing high estrogen:progesterone ratio or from herbs.  Then it’s super good for growth.  Low progesterone sag is also common a while after giving birth, whether or not you breast feed.
  
• Collagen stimulation / perkiness: 8% matrixyl 3000 serum applied externally, or aloe fresh off the plant, or eat 4 oz or 100g aloe inner leaf fresh off the plant (no green parts).  Matrixyl is easiest if you can get it.  Old aloe off the store shelves doesn’t work.  Matrixyl only works on skin though, it doesn’t go deeper.  Not sure about aloe.
  
• Collagen exercise / perkiness: Go braless whenever you can, except use a strong sports bra during cardio
  
• Lift, little bit more volume (from muscle not the actual breasts): Pectoral muscle exercises with weights or machine resistance.  For example dumbbell bench press.  Twice a week, 3 sets, 6-8 reps per set, 1 min rest in between.  Or optionally you can do squats in between instead of a rest with the same weights and 8-10 reps.  Also take 5g creatine and 2,000 mg HMB if working out.  This is very helpful but optional IMO because it’s a lot of work.
  
• NBE growth in general helps a great deal with perkiness due to the balloon effect, however this is temporary because the skin will catch up.  Likewise don’t be too discouraged from the deflated look after weight loss.  Your skin will usually catch up eventually.  This is why I focused less on growth in this section.