[surferjoe2007]

Risky Methods

I thought I’d go over methods that sometimes come up but warrant caution.

Dangerous methods.
Do not try without huge amounts of research & caution, and probably not even then:
- Saline injection.  Basically a DIY vacation boob job.  Risk of severe infection when not done by a professional.  With extreme precautions it could technically be done safely for a small or huge temporary increase for up to a day.  Cannot be done daily.  May look balloony.
- Glucose aka dextrose injections.  Similar to saline injections except it also causes some permanent growth as the sugar triggers a desperate huge insulin spike and get stored as fat.  May cause huge growth, but excessive sugar can put you in a diabetic coma.  Which is why the body floods in so much i insulin to rescue itself.  Even with extreme care to not put yourself into a coma, there are unknown long term consequences.  There are guesses that all that insulin is horrible for your diabetes risk.  More info on this and saline exists in other forums where some people try them (and some of them get badly hurt too).  IMO with these unknowns just don’t ever use glucose aka dextrose even with precautions.
- Depo Provera.  Estrogen + progesterone is the main way to cause growth, and this very high dose progestin plus a strong phytoestrogen like PM plus removing your cycle causes a large amount of growth very rapidly.  Temporarily and quickly reaching a limit.  Works for most not all.  Even when it works the side effects tend to be annoying and women tend to take a break and shrink right back down during the break.  Especially if they continue on depo without PM, the imbalance speeds shrinking.  As high dose birth control depo is one of the riskiest birth controls.  If you’re already on depo anyway then this might be worth a shot, but if possible you should instead get off of depo and try a safer birth control.

Deadly methods
Do not try ever:
- Injecting anything “inert”.  I’m not just talking about silicone.  Before silicone they did vaseline injections.  Injecting seemingly harmless and nontoxic gels like polyacrylamide have the same effect.  No matter what the inert material and even if some do it safely for years.  Eventually with bad luck it could creep into a blood vessel and cause a blockage, similar to a heart attack.  Can cause death.
- Similarly I would never apply vaseline even externally.  Oily substances can soak in, though thicker ones like vaseline don’t absorb as well.  So assuming vaseline isn’t just a harmless but ineffective hoax and it really does soak in, it could likewise be deadly if used enough.  I wouldn’t worry about normal uses of vaseline though, since it is inert and so little if any gets in.
- (Probably/hopefully not deadly, but related to the above) There are interesting historical cover ups on medically prescribed injectable substances right up through 1994.  Not testing for very long term effects, dismissing negative effects as individual sensitivity when they do pop up, and once finally banned moving on to a new substance and starting the cycle all over.  Similar things are happening with implants.  It is now finally medically accepted that some individuals are very sensitive to implants and get severely ill from them, whereas this was laughed at before.  And there is heavy industry pressure to dismiss or cover up other complaints.  Considering how recently implants became widespread and how recently silicone injections were banned (1994), it may be prudent to wait another decade.  In the past bans took decades.  Hopefully implants are mostly safe or at least safe enough, but who knows given the lack of long term thorough testing and lack of open reporting and recording of illness.  Remember those scary silicone injections used to be the medically prescribed norm.  People all over the world who were doing it left and right and most were fine for a while.  Hopefully given the larger number of people that use implants and seemingly less severe complaints they’re not as bad.  But there is also a lot of well known cover up that we simply let happen.
- Mega-dosing on estrogen and progesterone/progestin is a great way to dramatically increase your risk of breast cancer.  Many studies on phytoestrogens reducing the risk of breast cancer were done because the real thing is so incredibly dangerous if the dose is not carefully controlled.  Researchers typically get pleasantly relieved that not only does the phytoestrogen not increase cancer risk, it decreases it.  Usually, not always.  Main point is don’t get lulled into a false sense of security and mess with real hormones as you would herbs.  Careless dosing can often give you cancer.  Frequently.  People talk about it happening to them in other forums.  Not a nebulous or rare if ever theoretical risk like herbs.  No offense meant to those taking properly prescribed and dosed hormones like birth control.  Though even then try for the minimum dose.  A dose low enough to be relatively safe also tends to lead to little growth, and then only in some.

One last grey area
- mk-677.  At least a couple forum members have used it and seem to like it.  I have suggested reading about it a few times.  A 1 year study show it is probably very safe.  But there are theoretical long term cancer risks, especially among the elderly.  Though even then the elderly are the main future marketing targets for its youthful benefits like energy, metabolism and healing/recovery.  It’s also still being studied and not yet legal to prescribe nor use on humans outside of studies.  But there is little effort from authorities to actually control its use as they have their hands full with more dangerous things.  So basically there are scarier substances but you may want to steer clear.  The forum users who tried it said it might have helped a little in addition to the growth they got from other things.