[bosekk]

Hey surfer,

How much is known about trans-dermal application of herbs? I have left over natureday products. I really like using the lotion all over in the morning after I remove the BO mixture from my nipples. But the herbs it has internally would have complications and even be counterproductive while taking the BO. Here's what the listing has. I've been using it all month and still had good results but wonder if it could still be holding me back yet. I know we went over DQ and the one study linking to cancer. Maybe it would be safer to use a MSM cream or something aimed towards circulation?

NatureDay Lotion - Dong Quai, Blessed Thistle, Black Cohosh, Cumin, Wild Yam, Fennel, motherwort, Kava kava, Saw palmetto, Dandelion, fenugreek
Natureday Tincture - Saw palmetto, fennel,  fenugreek, dong quai, blessed thistle

Oil soluble herbs absorb, water soluble don't.  However some substances are both water and oil soluble, and they still absorb.  That includes most herbs.  So you should use a lotion or oil to help carry it, not a tea.  Tinctures are often made with alcohol or glycerin, which is fine too.  One big issue is that it's hard to dissolve very much, so you can't get much of a dose of most herbs besides ones that have a very low dose, like PM, PC and saw palmetto extract.  And you need extracts; it's impossible to fit enough of any whole herb.  So usually it's better to combine anything topical with something oral, to make sure you get enough.  And any commercial cream that hasn't changed color from packing in the herbs, like a tea does, is suspicious.  It may not have much of anything at all in there.  Or some have 20 ingredients but the only one in sufficient amount is PM, and it's basically overpriced PM cream.  What you have there for Natureday isn't a full ingredients list.  A full ingredients list would tell what is in higher amounts.  I Googled the list and it has saw palmetto extract first and other extracts.  But all of them come after dimethicone, a small volume additive to make the lotion coat (similar to silicone oil or WD-40).  So probably only saw palmetto extract is significant and the other herbs are minor.  It seems overpriced for what you get and I wouldn't expect much from those amounts of herbs, but at least it isn't a total scam like many others.  If you already have it and are using it up I would take additional amounts of herbs orally, except for saw palmetto extract.  Dong quai is pretty far down the list and that study linking it to cancer is really weak, so I wouldn't worry too much if you're just using up old cream.  There are plenty of alternatives so you can simply avoid it in the future.  I wouldn't buy a new jar simply because it has little value for such a high price.

Hi Surferjoe,
Do you have any suggestions on choosing among liquid extract, essential oil, capsules, and dry herbs?
We were discussing a good FG massage oil. Some people heat the seeds in water/oil. I wonder if there is a mess free way to make it. Thanks