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(20-06-2012, 04:13 PM)highhopes Wrote: adrianna23: Im on the new ainterol 500R1. I want to switch to siriporn since ainterol is wild PM they cant measure the amounts of deoxymiroestrol or miroestrol in each plant and since the amounts are inconsistant they dont list it on their ingredients...so you never know if your getting to much, too little or any at all.
I do wish people would stop peddling repeated rumours... I have no interest in Ainterol as a company and I am not currently using any of their products, but their website says:
"AINTEROL Natural Products supplements are manufactured from pesticide free organic materials. Grown, cropped and processed by AINTEROL Group owned subsidiaries. We control and manufacture our raw ingredients from the very beginning until the end of the manufacturing process. We don’t add silica, potato-, corn- or rice starch, or other chemical additives to our natural supplements. Adding such non-effective fillers cheapens and weakens the product efficiency and reliability."
My underlining for emphasis, you can believe or not believe it as you choose but please stop making false statements unless you have real hard evidence that they are lying.
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Hello Pansy Mae best regards to you. Thanks for pointing that out.
I take back saying Ainterol is wild PM, what I meant to say was they don't list deoxymiroestrol or miroestrol as part of their ingredients. I have 2 bottles of Ainterol and have been on it going on 2 months. I'm not saying Ainterol doesn't work cuz ppl have reported positive results using ainterol but as a paying customer I want to make sure I get the best for my buck and utilize every ingredient to my best advantage.
It was ignorant for me to repeat something without having knowledge if it was true or not. I didn't mean to be wrong but ill admit my shortcomings and do apologize for the misunderstanding.
Happy growing everyone : )
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No probs
We all do it without thinking, sometimes ( even me!!!
), that's life.
With regard to the ingredient list, I don't know if its still there, but there used to be a bit on their website that explained that ( from memory) testing is expensive and there is no agreed international standard method of assaying deoxymiroestrol or miroestrol. So whichever method, they use and quote, of several which could be used, somebody will say they are wrong, so they prefer to say nothing.
I have no idea how true any of that is but it has a certain logic to it.
Sure we all want to get the best, and swapping info is what makes this site so good, but the problem comes when everyone repeats what everyone else says and then 'everyone' knows it must be true because 'everyone' says so, but nobody actually knows who said what to begin with!
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29-06-2012, 11:38 PM
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adrianna23.)
Well I actually still find the dosage intriguing...I am growing on 100 mg of siriporn per day and you have to take 1000 of the other brands...
I have nothing against any brand or anything like that...but why is siriporn the olnly brand with such low dosage?
Another interesting thing is that siriporn claims to have "the analytical standard to measure both miroestrol and deoxymiroestrol and other unique markers in Pueraria Mirifica. " and also has a website where they sell raw materials for manufacturers:
http://americanphytolab.zxq.net/ - lots of info on here...
Of course you never know what to believe...
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(29-06-2012, 11:38 PM)adrianna23 Wrote: Well I actually still find the dosage intriguing...I am growing on 100 mg of siriporn per day and you have to take 1000 of the other brands...
Well, most of the dosage thing is because you are female and have a head start in the matter of estrogen production over us poor deprived males!
1000mg per day is normally the max recommended female PM dose, but for us that is the 'maintenance dose' to retain whatever we've managed to develop and 2000mg is the typical male 'growth dose'. For me that worked to start with but then for some unknown reason stopped being effective at that level. A 3000mg booster dose has been used by others before, and several times I've tried that for a few days with no effect. I've now been at that level for about 20 days and as I said, I think something may be happening. My plan is to stay at that level for another couple of weeks ( my regular 'measure and photograph' day is on 14th July) and then drop back to 2000mg.
The bottom line is that with all of this NBE stuff what works for one quite probably won't work for another, and what works at one time may also not work at other times.
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On my opinion it's all about testing on your own body... I had bad side effects on BIOVEA PM but maybe it's different for others as BIOVEA is regularly sold out on their page...
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using PM I'm learning that less is more and is more effective. Ramping up my dosage to 1500mgs had left me estrogen dominant on luteal and today is day 31 and still no menses which I think is because I ovulated ealier than day14...(I sooo need an ovulation kit). This forum is so helpful and for the 1st time I'm learning about my body. Although I haven't figured out precisely what works and what doesn't I'm getting there with everyones help and as soon as I figure what makes my boobs react I'm going for some DD's
Congrats on your growth portia can't wait to get where your at!
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Hi Highhopes!
Maybe you ovulated LATER than day 14, just like happened to me. If you would have ovulated before day 14, your cycle would have been shorter than 28 days.... You know, no matter what happens, lutheal phase is always 14 days long.
Am I right?
Kisses, hugs and boobie dust all over you!
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Hi mawa,
I say I think I ovulated early and stopped PM later prolonging ovulation. For example if I normally ovulate on day 10 I kept taking PM postponing my ovulation making myself ovulate later than what my body is used to. I stopped day 13.
Its a good for the side effect glossary to note this and about not exceeding the recommended dosage if your biologically female or you can end up going through what I'm going through at the moment.
Thanks for the much needed boobie dust
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BAD SIDE EFFECT: On Day 8 of PM, I have shrunk 2.5 cm and still shrinking! I frantically searched all forums to find that I may have been estrogen dominant and that PM does not work for estrogen dominant women. I wish I knew that before I started taking it. Also it gave me horrible acne!
In just 8 days it drastically shrunk my breasts, and reversed all my Noogleberry progress! Now what?
I am afraid to stop taking it mid cycle, because I ready it can totally mess up your cycle and give you a period that lasts 2 weeks! So maybe I'll continue to take it until the beginning of my next period.
Anyway, does anyone know of an herb I can take that would work for someone who is estrogen dominant?
