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Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust????
October 11 2009 at 4:10 PM Tiran1 (Login Tiran1)
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Please, opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust????
Hi,
Did anyone tried those brands??? Please share with me your opinion on them!!!
Thank you !!!
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Tiran1
(Login Tiran1) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? October 11 2009, 5:31 PM
Sorry, I made a mistake (((
By cultivar I ment Primeum PM Farmed Cultivar caps that deborah from e-bay sells.
In general I have trouble finding official websites for those two...
But the question stays the same...Thanks
sandy
(Login sandy111)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? October 12 2009, 8:36 AM
I have both.The cream had no effect on me but some ladies had good results with it.Not for me though
The pills:I used them for 2 cycles.First cycle 200mg second cycle 400mg.I might try taking them this cycle on day 7 since i had no result with my previous attempts and i think 600mg will be too much to take..Hope others could give you a better feedback than mine.Good luck!
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Tanyada
(no login) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? October 12 2009, 2:48 PM
I have used it for about 13 months. Very potent for me. Increase size and my periods are wetter and longer.
Vaginal secretions incresed also. I feel a lot better during that time of the month! My friends tell me my hair is fuller and my skin nicer. Definitely potent for me!
Only 200mg/day 15 days/ month.
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Tiran1
(Login Tiran1) Thanks for your answers!! October 13 2009, 11:24 AM
Tanyada!
It's SO great you got results ))))
did you use only capsules or their cream as well???
What was your gain???
cheers
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Butterfly
(Login Butterfly84) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? October 14 2009, 3:56 AM
I have the Premium caps, however, i have not used them consistently because whenever i do, I get such a headache and feel sluggish and tired. Next cycle I may start up again taking only 100mg.
BTW, how can a longer, wetter period be more healthy?
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sandy
(Login sandy111)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? October 14 2009, 8:41 AM
I might try 300 mg my next cycle but on day 7 of the cycle..But i don't know when i'm done should i always wait for my period and then take them at day 7?
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sara
(no login) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? October 15 2009, 2:01 AM
How can a longer wetter period be healthy? When you are very young not a problem. AS you get older your periods are dryer and shorter and you are staring to age. This is because your body is making less and less estrogen.....then there is menopause. Menstruation sheds the lining of your uterous,
Cancerous cells, precancerous cells gone. Vaginal aging is a big problem in women's health and aging. Vaginal dryness, vaginal atrophy is a big problem.
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Tiran1
(Login Tiran1) Sandy October 15 2009, 2:08 PM
Hi Sandy,
If this PM is indeed the most potent in the market, etc. I am thinking it is the best to stick to lower dose...and may be it will take a bit longer till you start seeing results...However you will be sure that you are not harming yourself...
just my opinion though...also i communicated with someone from siriporn and he also mentioned lower dosage and topicals...so it might be a general opinion of PM experts ))
thank you for your reply and good luck!
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Former PM user
(no login) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? October 16 2009, 4:32 AM
I used both. I used the cream for about 4-5 months. The cream did nothing for me. I continued the pills for a few months longer. I gained 1/2" total from this PM product. Like most of the girls on here I'd gain about a full inch during my luteal phase and then following my period, my breasts would shrink back down. I finally decided to quit PM altogether and took a month break. At which point I lost that 1/2" of growth. I'm finally trying fenugreek again. I originally tried it last year for just 2 months. I had to quit because I had a horrible eczema reaction during that time period and quit taking anything that could possibly be irritating it. But in those 2 months of using fenugreek I gained 1" and I've kept that inch of growth for about a year now, so it's pretty safe to say that the growth I got from fenugreek was permanent. I've been back on fenugreek for about 2 weeks now and I haven't had any allergic/eczema outbreaks and I've been getting pretty strong growing pains already.
I don't want to say Cultivar/Ro-bust won't work for you because we're all different and it is inexpensive enough to give it a shot, but I just wanted to let you know that it unfortunately didn't work out for me.
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sandy
(Login sandy111)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? October 16 2009, 8:28 AM
True the Siriporn Pm recommends low dose a max of 600mg per day..I only took 400mg but will reduce it my next cycle
Thanks for suggesting too
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Tiran1
(Login Tiran1) Former PM User October 17 2009, 10:41 AM
Hi,
could you please tell me more about taking Fenugreek?
what are the dosage and how do you take it??
Couple of years ago i bought this 'flat to fab ' book and tried the programme that included FG for a month, but I had such horrible skin reactions...However, I think it was from liqorice as then I found out that sweeties would give me the same rush..
Anyway, did you take only FG at that period or sth else as well?
Thank you!
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Former PM User
(no login) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? October 17 2009, 6:34 PM
Most of what I've learned about fenugreek I've learned from this forum and all the helpful posters. (I've been reading this forum for about a year now, maybe I should join already =P). Anyways a good link that I always go back to is one of Wahaika's thread about herbs and springtime (http://www.network54.com/Forum/371678/me...what+works!). Wahaika gives great advice on dosages and regimens. When I started NBE, I was a 32AAA..very small. I'm now a 32AA/32A but because I'm still so small I only take 1 fenugreek 610 mg pill twice daily so that's about 1220mg/day.
In addition to fenugreek, I also take maca powder, Vit E, Vit B-complex, protein shake, calcium + vit.D, Zinc, multivitamin, and flaxseed oil daily. The supplements I take are for overall health reasons but it seems like a lot of them are also important for NBE in general. Although I've always been somewhat curvy down there, I decided to give Maca root a shot. It has made my breast more round and my butt/hips have gone from 37" to 38". I also massage my breast with Vit E oil + heat. I used to use Palmers cocoa butter quit when I read all the threads about how mineral oil could hinder growth and that's one of the top ingredients.
I think the most important thing I've learned from all the Eve members and my own experience is that patience and positive thinking is key. For most, this will not be an over night journey. There's been several occasions when I get disheartened and feel like a fool for trying so hard to grow breasts but this forum always seems to lift my spirits. I'm still small but I have come a long way.I'm really hoping to eventually become a 32A/32B. I never wanted large breasts, I just wanted SOME breasts lol.
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carla
(no login) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? October 18 2009, 5:16 AM
To former PM user
Last year are the University I worked out myself and 20 women participated in an informal 6 month study using Fenugreek.
20 women participated and had to drop out because they could not tolerate the Fenugreek.
That left 18 women. At the beginning of the study we recorded everyones beginning weight and at the end we recorded everyones weight.
We used a potent topical extract made by one of the chemistry professors.
16 women had zero results.
2 women insisted that they increased one cup size. When we reviewed their data one had gained 5 lbs the other had gained 7 pounds. We hypothosized the breast gain came from the weight gain.
The women made a committment to loose the extra weight over several months. They continued using Fenugreek topical. When the weight was back to there starting point we looked breast size.
Results zero..........big zero.
Then we looked in the major academic libraries for fenugreek research...lots of research but nothing suggesting breast gain only source was the marketers. They keep citing one mouse study that they are misinterpreting.
Yam and Fenugreek contain disogenin which is mildly estrogenic. In the lab with enzymes industry converts disogenin to things that progesterone, pregnenolone etc. The human body can not convert it.
So in conclusion Fenugreek works that any weak plant estrogen...if it did work there would be no lasting gain once you stop using it,
Here is an article wriiten by an MD that did similar research Dr Berman about yams and Fenugreek
Last
Fenugreek (Trigonella foenum-graecum) and Wild
Yam (Dioscorea villosa)
Although roasted fenugreek seeds were reputedly used
by harem women to enhance buxomness, there is no
evidence that fenugreek increases breast size. Both
fenugreek and wild yam contain diosgenin, which can be
converted to progesterone in a laboratory, but there is no
evidence that such conversion takes place endogenously.
An article distributed as evidence that diosgenin increases
mammary size does not support the claim. This
experiment, in which 20- or 40-mg/kg diosgenin was
given with or without estrogen to ovariectomized mice,
found no difference in wet or fat-free dry weight of
mammary glands in diosgenin-treated mice. Diosgenin
did significantly affect mammary maturation, increasing
terminal end bud differentiation (an effect that takes
place in late pregnancy or under estrogen treatment).
Although the words “growth stimulator” and “mammary
development” are used, in this case maturation is what
is meant.
To former PM user your a spammer a scammer and pulling everyone's leg
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Tiran1
(Login Tiran1) Former PM User October 18 2009, 6:11 PM
Hi,
thank you for your answer..it was awsome ))) I have the same situation here AAA at my best )..hopefully i will escape this misery somehow...like for me, even simply A would be sooooo great...so i will look like normal, like many others do ))))
I'll give a shot with PM and if miracle doesn't happen will switch to FG..i am also thinking of Erdic still as on another board i read that women went from a to c in 8 mnth, so it stuck in my head ...
Anyway, Thank you for your encouragement )))
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Tiran1
(Login Tiran1) Former PM User October 18 2009, 6:38 PM
Also , 1 more question about FG...which brand are you using, not Holland and Barrett for a chance??? And also do you use FG tincture for massage and if yes , what brand??
Thanks a lot )))
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Former PM User
(no login) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? October 19 2009, 8:57 PM
I know exactly what you're going through. All I want is to feel like a woman and not have to wear padded bras to feel like one.
I'm actually using the Vitamin Shoppe brand fenugreek. I've used others but this one is inexpensive, convenient (there's a vitamin shoppe right up the street) and it contains no yeast, milk, eggs, or gluten so it's easy on my stomach.
I don't massage with Fenugreek. I've read several posts where it could be counter-productive to use a topical with fenugreek. But the main reason I don't is because I have very sensitive skin. All I do is massage with Vitamin E oil for about 20-30 min twice daily and in the evening I put a heat pad on my breasts.
Good luck on your NBE journey!
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carla
(no login) my 2nd attempt to post October 20 2009, 3:31 AM
To former PM user
Last year are the University I worked out myself and 20 women participated in an informal 6 month study using Fenugreek.
20 women participated and had to drop out because they could not tolerate the Fenugreek.
That left 18 women. At the beginning of the study we recorded everyones beginning weight and at the end we recorded everyones weight.
We used a potent topical extract made by one of the chemistry professors.
16 women had zero results.
2 women insisted that they increased one cup size. When we reviewed their data one had gained 5 lbs the other had gained 7 pounds. We hypothosized the breast gain came from the weight gain.
The women made a committment to loose the extra weight over several months. They continued using Fenugreek topical. When the weight was back to there starting point we looked breast size.
Results zero..........big zero.
Then we looked in the major academic libraries for fenugreek research...lots of research but nothing suggesting breast gain only source was the marketers. They keep citing one mouse study that they are misinterpreting.
Yam and Fenugreek contain disogenin which is mildly estrogenic. In the lab with enzymes industry converts disogenin to things that progesterone, pregnenolone etc. The human body can not convert it.
So in conclusion Fenugreek works that any weak plant estrogen...if it did work there would be no lasting gain once you stop using it,
Here is an article wriiten by an MD that did similar research Dr Berman about yams and Fenugreek
Last
Fenugreek (Trigonella foenum-graecum) and Wild
Yam (Dioscorea villosa)
Although roasted fenugreek seeds were reputedly used
by harem women to enhance buxomness, there is no
evidence that fenugreek increases breast size. Both
fenugreek and wild yam contain diosgenin, which can be
converted to progesterone in a laboratory, but there is no
evidence that such conversion takes place endogenously.
An article distributed as evidence that diosgenin increases
mammary size does not support the claim. This
experiment, in which 20- or 40-mg/kg diosgenin was
given with or without estrogen to ovariectomized mice,
found no difference in wet or fat-free dry weight of
mammary glands in diosgenin-treated mice. Diosgenin
did significantly affect mammary maturation, increasing
terminal end bud differentiation (an effect that takes
place in late pregnancy or under estrogen treatment).
Although the words “growth stimulator” and “mammary
development” are used, in this case maturation is what
is meant.
To former PM user your a spammer a scammer and pulling everyone's leg
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carla
(no login) 3rd attempt to post: October 21 2009, 2:57 AM
To former PM user
Last year are the University I worked out myself and 20 women participated in an informal 6 month study using Fenugreek.
20 women participated and had to drop out because they could not tolerate the Fenugreek.
That left 18 women. At the beginning of the study we recorded everyones beginning weight and at the end we recorded everyones weight.
We used a potent topical extract made by one of the chemistry professors.
16 women had zero results.
2 women insisted that they increased one cup size. When we reviewed their data one had gained 5 lbs the other had gained 7 pounds. We hypothosized the breast gain came from the weight gain.
The women made a committment to loose the extra weight over several months. They continued using Fenugreek topical. When the weight was back to there starting point we looked breast size.
Results zero..........big zero.
Then we looked in the major academic libraries for fenugreek research...lots of research but nothing suggesting breast gain only source was the marketers. They keep citing one mouse study that they are misinterpreting.
Yam and Fenugreek contain disogenin which is mildly estrogenic. In the lab with enzymes industry converts disogenin to things that progesterone, pregnenolone etc. The human body can not convert it.
So in conclusion Fenugreek works that any weak plant estrogen...if it did work there would be no lasting gain once you stop using it,
Here is an article wriiten by an MD that did similar research Dr Berman about yams and Fenugreek
Last
Fenugreek (Trigonella foenum-graecum) and Wild
Yam (Dioscorea villosa)
Although roasted fenugreek seeds were reputedly used
by harem women to enhance buxomness, there is no
evidence that fenugreek increases breast size. Both
fenugreek and wild yam contain diosgenin, which can be
converted to progesterone in a laboratory, but there is no
evidence that such conversion takes place endogenously.
An article distributed as evidence that diosgenin increases
mammary size does not support the claim. This
experiment, in which 20- or 40-mg/kg diosgenin was
given with or without estrogen to ovariectomized mice,
found no difference in wet or fat-free dry weight of
mammary glands in diosgenin-treated mice. Diosgenin
did significantly affect mammary maturation, increasing
terminal end bud differentiation (an effect that takes
place in late pregnancy or under estrogen treatment).
Although the words “growth stimulator” and “mammary
development” are used, in this case maturation is what
is meant.
To former PM user your a spammer a scammer and pulling everyone's leg
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S.B.
(Login ShyBoobs)
SENIOR MEMBER Might be back! October 22 2009, 5:42 PM
Former User,
Me and you are somewhat opposites. I had most my growth on PM, PC and GR (1.25"). I had stopped the GR (goat's rue) to save money and keep my program simple and my growth eventually came to a halt. I figured I should try the common herbs like FG, etc since people were reporting their growth on them and I wasn't responding anymore to PM. Man that was a big mistake. I grew 3/4" but then I shrank about 1/2". So now I'm thinkin' of going back to my previous routine in Dec after my cycle break, this time I'll be KEEPING the GR lol. I feel more confident I'll be getting some boobage if I do.
1st I'll see how this 'test run' goes with just GR and PC before I go for it. Hope I see something, cause I'm not fond of the period inconveniences on PM. Ah well!
BTW, someone post in the PM Forum on the new site! It's completely empty... XD
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Paloma
(Login Palomalove) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? November 25 2009, 7:53 AM
What's PC???
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S.B.
(Login ShyBoobs)
SENIOR MEMBER paloma November 25 2009, 5:22 PM
Hi,
PC is progesterone cream. I think it's good to use beings that PM is the most potent phytoestrogen. Also, there was this Japanese site that had blogged results of successful girls who used PC in conjunction to PM. Everyone is different, and there's plenty who grew without using it. But their method sounded logical to work with the menstrual cycle. Here's the thread in which it was discussed if you're interested...
http://www.network54.com/Forum/371678/th...nhancement
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Salome83
(no login) question to ShyBoobs November 30 2009, 6:01 AM
Hi ShyBoobs,
I realized that I am trying to follow a similar routine with yours, but i am not sure if I am doing it correctly, that's why i have a few questions for you if you don't mind answering.
For the last month, I used PM from my period day1-day21, and also I used Progesterone cream from day 14-28. isthis fine to do this? I ordered the PM that Phili was recommending from Ebay a Thailand PM and actually I liked it I was thinking to stop by day14 but I was seeing growth so I continued until 21 and then stopped since i was scared to delay my next period.
I am really very confused about this whole cycling thing, do we really need to cycle? cos I remember Phili didn't cycle at all. That's why i want to ask how you were using your PM and PC. I am also thinking to add Goat's Rue as you recommend it.
Thanks in advance,
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S.B.
(Login ShyBoobs)
SENIOR MEMBER salome December 2 2009, 2:07 AM
Hi!
I just started my PM program the other day. Hm, maybe Phili was better suited to answering your question instead...but I'll put in my 2cents. I personally believe that since PM is the strongest phytoestrogen, women who are not in menopause should only use it 2 weeks per month. I've read about people skipping periods when taking it all month. So I'm only taking it for 14 days. Who knows tho, maybe it just depends on the individual. For the PC, you're using it correctly.
BTW, if you need a cheaper site for GR, visit Viable Herbal Solutions. Keep on growin'!
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Salome83
(no login) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? December 2 2009, 3:01 AM
Thanks a lot for the info I will check Goat's Rue for sure! I hope I didn't mess up with my hormones by taking PM until day21 instead of 14, if I see a delay on my period, I will stick to 1-14 cycle. I also noogle by the way, hope the combo will give me what I want. Thanks again,
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Philli
(Login Philli1) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? December 2 2009, 8:55 AM
All I can say is this. The producers/sellers of PM do give pointers as to when you should not take it...i.e, dring pregnancy and if you are under 20 years old since the body is still growing. Nowhere, have I ever seen where a company has said Not to take it during your period. I have never interupted my daily intake and personally, I think that if you do, it will also effect the way it works on your body.. Perhaps this is the reason why some girls say PM doesn't work...they keep stopping and starting all the time and any swelling that is gained is immediately lost.
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carla
(Login carlaa1124) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? December 2 2009, 10:53 AM
First and foremost only stupid rinky dink mfg's make the recommendation to take pm capsules for breast enhancement. I doubt you will ever see a credible supplement company do that. There are just too many liabilities. Perception become truth when people complain to gov't.
You can probably take it all month if you start the first day of you cycle and not stop.
Who are you going to blame: yourself or someone else if you get sick? More is better?
People get sick all the time from abusing supplements. Trust me.
Companies make creams for breast enhancement. It like putting the capsules directly into the breast. What is it that women don't understand.
Dr Wichai did a 3 month study in Thailand with capsules to prove a point not to endorse a protocol.
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Tiran1
(Login Tiran1) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? December 2 2009, 11:22 AM
Hi Philli!
Just for your information, St Herb- one brand from Thailand state that you need to take 800mg for 15 days from the first day of your period and than start again at the first day of your next period, and so on....it is just one example…
So you see, some producers, not only St Herb, advice this method, although some other brands suggest a continuous use.
Then some say that only at a low dose of 50mg you can intake it continuously...
Hence, all the confusion....you see, the sellers of PM don't have any consensus on how to take PM and the doses...
And yes, all of them advice not to take coffee or alcohol, and, yes we do know about that....
Also referring to your previous post, with all the respect, don't call us, who take PM to increase breast size, vain...after all sitting around with Noogleberry for one hour a day for 4 years may seem joining the vanity world to some extend! Please don't criticize us, looks like you are on the same boat with the rest of us!
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Philli
(Login Philli1) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? December 2 2009, 11:34 AM
Carla, you're right. Read my new thread. PM has been around since before America was America. Literally hundreds of years...Buddhist monks talked of its properties in documents known to be 500 years old....specifically as a health supplement to good health and a long life. I dont think they particularly cared about growing boobs. But, like I said, We live in a Vanity World where success apparently depends on the size of your breasts. How pathetic.
The fact that PM has this 'peculiar' side effect has made it into a world seller and ....why shouldn't the Thailanders hop onto the band wagon and promote this characteristic. It's thier product after all. It only grows in thier country..and hey...we all need money. Only difference is, they need less than american companies to get by and can afford to sell it at its real price....cheap. That doesn't make it any less potent than the stuff being sold by US companies at 10 times its value. But, it has english instructions so I guess people need to see 'take two tablets a day' in english to trust it.
I've been doing a little surfing around about Mentrual irregularlites. Seems like stress, worry, poor diets, junk food, irregular meal times and inadquate sleep cycles contribute more to 'screwing up' the body than anything else. Seems to me, that most girls are only too happy to blame it onto a new pill they are taking to defend all the other things that are wrong in thier daily lives.
Perhaps I'm fortunate. We have a very balanced life..No worry, no stress, no debts, regular wholesome meals and a healthy sex life. Although I'm no longer concerned with my breasts...E is big enough, I still take one PM a day for all its real benefits.
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carla
(no login) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? December 2 2009, 1:55 PM
Wild PM is cheap for now until its all gone. They are picking the stuff that has been growing for years.
The only part of your statement I am absolutely positive that is incorrect is.....Farmed Pm is expensive to
produce, however the quality is substantially different. Its has at least 15 times more activity.
I have seen validated academic assays. If you saw what I saw you would understand farmed is actually more cost
effected. Wild has only a little miroestrol and only traces of d-miroestrol if any.
Another part of your statement I disagree with is justifying Thai's selling this stuff for breast
enhancement. The Thai FDA does not allow this in Thailand. Do you think these people have a dog in the fight
sending it ovrerseas. Are you going to sue them. The Thai's have a bad name for spiking supplements with
pharmaceuticals. One company I will not name was spiking Butea Superba with Viagra. What do you think of
that? Pueraria Mirifica is a miricle herb with many applications more miraculous than breast enhancement. The
general public just does not get it yet.
best
C
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Philli
(Login Philli1) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? December 2 2009, 3:50 PM
Tiran1 ....(Quote) 'Also referring to your previous post, with all the respect, don't call us, who take PM to increase breast size, vain...after all sitting around with Noogleberry for one hour a day for 4 years may seem joining the vanity world to some extend! Please don't criticize us, looks like you are on the same boat with the rest of us!
What can I say. I must admit that after regaining my health...and one cup size, my Hubby was rather impressed and the inevitable question came up...errrr, I wonder just how much bigger I could get (make) them? His reply...'give a try'. I must admit he is a bit of a ...to use the male expression...Tit-man. So I had his 100% backing and didn't have to slink away and pump up in secret, like so many girls seem to do. We both found it, and still do find it, an enjoyable 'pastime' and it keeps our intimate moments alive and kicking. So, you see, its not so much a vanity thing with me, but more of a way of keeping life 'interesting'. I never felt insecure with my Bs, in fact, I never even thought about making them bigger. Taking PM was recommended to me by a Chinese friend (female) as a way to improve my health after a serious bout of bronchitis. She just happened to mention...'By the way, if you want bigger boobs, this will do it' I had no idea that such forums as this even existed...didn't care. But, after commenting on the Noogleberry Forum for the first time last year, I became very aware of how seriously girls take thier breast size, or lack of it.
The rest is history.
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ShyBoobs
(Login ShyBoobs)
SENIOR MEMBER Just MHO... December 2 2009, 8:16 PM
Tiran, good point. Seems like these companies don't have an agreed-upon dose or length of time in taking PM. I would rather work with the menstrual cycle, so I'm sticking with what I'm doing. Must be doing something right because I grew and never skipped a period. And yeah, Philli is a lil blunt but I can respect her point of view. I mean I know I would think it vain/unncessary for a woman with a D cup wanting to be even bigger. However, I see nothin' wrong with a woman wanting to fill out her bras better or be more proportionate. Really you can't fault a girl with A or smaller boobs for wanting to have a decent chest with all this pressure from the media and society--esp in the US. I know when I look in the mirror with my itty bitties, I can't help but feel a lil frustrated lol. After all, it's human nature to want to improve your appearance and look your best.
And yes, I actually read about PM's benefits before I bought some; it's a great herb. I believe the Dr. Passwater interview was where I 1st found some info, along with Deb's site about PM.
BTW Philli, great idea about using the Noogleberry in conjunction with caps. I would consider it myself if I had my own place, even tho I don't like the idea of sitting around with the machine on my boobs. XD
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Philli
(Login Philli1) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? December 2 2009, 9:26 PM
Actually SB, its just a plastic dome with a length of tubing and a hand pump. I'm not 'wired' in any way to an electric pump and I can freely walk around wearing one or two domes...depending on my mood. I dont want to get any bigger...I'm tired of buying new bras.. I have dozens that no longer fit me. For that reason, I just pump for about 20 mins a day...at brekkie, while we drink our coffee...decaff... and smoke 'that' first ciggy. That's enough now...its called maintenance pumping by Nooglers.
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ShyBoobs
(Login ShyBoobs)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? December 3 2009, 1:29 AM
Ah. Thanks for clearing that up, hon. I was under the impression that it was some noisy machine that you plugged in. XD
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Salome83
(no login) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? December 3 2009, 9:02 AM
Shyboobs,
No, noogleberry is a very silent and convenient one, I love it!! The noisy one that you need to be attached is Bosom Beauty 2012, i have it too, but don't use it anymore since noogleberry is a lot better. I read that many people finds BB2012 domes more comfy, but i don't understand why. I have all the domes of BB and noogleberry and they are all plastic with no padding, so it is the same thing and interestingly I like noogleberry domes a lot more and I just use them. The BB domes' shape seems slightly better to fit the ribs but this doesn't make it to hurt less in my opinion.
Tiran,
I wouldn't agree with you more, there are many companies all with different directions. I just found a new one called pure miracle herbs http://www.puremiracleherbs.com/, in the FAQ part they tell that you can take it whole month safely (but if you feel cramps you can skip taking during mensturation) as long as it is less than 1000mg a month. and it seems like a trustable site.
I don't know actually and just very confused, currently I am using the ones that Phili recommended and I must confess that I think they work! I am just trying to use my logic and read as much as I can about the cycling and dosage. Those Thai ones are 300mg per capsule but it doesn't say if it is 100% PM(at least it doesn't say in English and I am no good at Thai) so the actual PM in it might be 100mg or 200mg or anything. I took 1 in the morning and 2 before bed so in total 3 per day, I took it from day1-day21. Today is my day 28 and I am waiting to see if i will have a delay,grrrr normally i have a regular period which is always on time. And by the way in many websites that sell PM, they recommend calcium intake. So I tried to drink 2 cups of milk every day. The reason why PM worked for Phili might be because she is German, I stayed there as an exchange student and they drink milk with lunch no kidding lol
Anyways about the dosage and cycling, I think it makes sense that you can take it the whole month if you are taking really low dosage like 50mg, and this won't cause a problem for your mensturation but probably you will see all the benefits of PM other than breast enhancement. And the cycling with high dosage also makes sense since the level of estrogen had be low for ovulation, that's why estrogen starts to decrease before lutheal phase and by day 14 it is the lowest and ovulation occurs. When you take high dosage of PM your estrogen level remains high and this doesn't let ovulation to happen for a while as a result your period is postponed (btw, I am an economist and not a herbalist or biologist and I am no expert and I would like to be corrected if I say something wrong this is just what I know from my basic biology courses)
And I also agree with you about being criticized for trying to do NBE in a NBE forum. It is just so funny people doing the same thing for years to call us pathetic, what's pathetic here? personally I am a very confident person about my looking and feel lucky for my appearance, and I believe there are many people here who are already confident and doing NBE. there might be people who are not confident so here are many things they can do to get confident such as NBE, what's wrong with this? If you are not happy with something you try your best to enhance it, that's very normal. I had an A cup before doing anything and now most of the time I am B and if not a full A, but I am proportionate for all my body, of course i would like to be a C cup or maybe larger, this doesn't mean I am pathetic. Maybe we should call everyone who is exercising and trying to have a fit frame to increase their confidence, patheticWell then i am really pathetic cos i go to gym regularly to stay fit plus I am doing NBE We all have a life and NBE is just fun part of it.
happy growing to all my friends here (oops to ones who wants to grow
)!!
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Philli
(Login Philli1) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? December 3 2009, 3:28 PM
Hello Salome. Let me clear up those few points. If you are taking the same PM as me, it is 300mg pure...no additives. Yes, I do drink a lot of milk...fat free. When I used the word 'Pathetic' I was refering to those in the Male World enviroment who decide how big our boobs must be to be successful. But I will still stand by what I said that taking pills and hoping and wishing and praying that something will grow is not enough. There is the possibllity to help growth along with such 'devices' as supplied by Noogleberry, an English company...not located in Thailand with instructions in Thai. And they dont cost hundreds of dollars like the typical American...'you want it, pay an arm and a leg for it' companies.
I simply cant believe that nobody has an hour of free time for themselves during a day when they can sit down, relax and pump up thier boobies for 30 mins or an hour and encourage them to grow a little faster.
Salome83
(no login) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? December 4 2009, 3:51 AM
Hi Phili,
I agree with you about noogleberry, personally I was using it even when I wasn't taking any pills during summer. I think it helps with breast growth, you just show boobs how they should be and they get used to it and stay like that after a while And yes it is really really easy to use, my noogleberry and my 1 hour a day is my relaxing time for me. And thanks for clearing up that Thai pills are 300mg pure PM. I will just take 2 or 3/a day next time, I remember in Noogleberry forum you mentioned you used 4/day for a while.
However I disagree with you regarding your other post, calling people pathetic or vain who are taking pills for breast growth and not using noogleberry. Poeple can take only pills and pray or just wait and expect breast growth. They may experience positive or negative results, it all depends on our bodies and hormones, everyone is different. For some people herbs can make miracles even when they donot spend an hour/a day for suction. You should think twice before writing a statement like that if we are aware of the effects of the pills we are taking. There are many knowledgable people in this forum and of course they research before taking pills like crazy.
The fact that you "accidentally" ended up in NBE when you were taking PM just for health issues, doesn't make you know "all" the stuff and others know "nothing". Or in other words, to speak in your language, this fact doesn't make you "cool" and others "pathetic".
Tiran1
(Login Tiran1) Thought on pumps… December 4 2009, 9:48 AM
Hi Philli,
You did encouraged me to look at the forum about pumps here on this site. Many had good results with NB and are quite happy with it. But many girls said that you need to wear it for 1 hour but 2-3 times a day....is it so?
Also many are so positive about Brava, but 13 hours a day and more that 14 weeks....it is SUCH A COMMITMENT then!!!!
I know that Brava is FDA approved and all, but it is so difficult to understand how the skin doesn't get saggy.
When I breastfed for a year my boobs were quit big (AA to C), and when it was over my skin was quite well saggy....and still after many years I don't feel that it is as plump as on the rest of my body...
Have you ever quit NB for quite a long time and see what is happening with the breast? If you do it every day (or even with the break of couple of days) , may be the swelling still remains and therefore the size (and perkiness)...Is it possible at all? And if you drop it all together, can you end up with saggier boobs hen you started with?
Also I read some girls said that they pump till it hurts like hell, don't remember about which device (positive thing for them as they think that it means that device is powerful=effective)...I think it is as clever as taking 2000 mg of PM ))!
I do worry how safe is that (all this devices), at the end of the day many things were in and out of favour with FDA! Also many agree that the suction on Brava is much weaker than that of other devices.I worry that it can bring mastopothia ( not sure that is a right term for this in English) and other problems for those who are more predisposed to it ( and you don't know whether your are unless you start having problems)…I think breast is quite a fragile part of a body…
I would welcome everyone's opinion on this matter as I can't make up my mind!!!
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Philli
(Login Philli1) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? December 4 2009, 4:01 PM
Hello Tiran. I think a lot of girls misunderstand the whole theory of suction pumping the breasts because they dont understand enough about thier own bodies. The reason why we both felt saggy after breast feeding is because the full milk glands that caused our breasts to swell were now empty and there was nothing to keep the swelling anymore, but the tissue was stretched.
Suction cups like Noogleberry are designed to stretch the entire breast area..inside and out by exerting external pressure to it and thereby causing everything inside to expand...essentially blood vessels and veins which carry the blood around the body and through the breast tissue. Basically, PM causes improved blood circulation...a feature which promotes growth,.. that is why it works so well. Incidently, I began using it because Bronchitis had hindered my circulation and I got out of breath too quickly going up stairs and rushing around shopping etc. But, getting back to the point, the blood carrying veins and vessels will, over a period of time remain permantly stretched and thus more tissue will grow inside the breasts. even though the process is slow it starts taking place almost immediately and may go un-noticed for weeks, but it is happening. The first signs are not bigger boobs, from a 'stick out' point of view, but a more rounded shape and thus fuller. After my illness I really did have ugly saggy boobs from loss of weight.... a lot of weight, and it was about a year before I got my body back into shape. At first I thought my bras were all shrinking and getting old, but, in fact, they were now too small, and the first time I put on a C bra, I realised that they had changed shape and were fuller and rounder.
It is true that many Nooglers overdo it a little because they look so good when they 'flop' out of a dome after being under pressure for an hour or more...I'm as guilty as the rest, but, although they shrink back after a while, they never shrink completely back.. Internal growth, maybe only millimeters, is taking place all the time. It becomes noticeable when girls find it easy to fill the dome they originaly ordered because because they fill it too quickly and, in fact, there should always be space in the dome for expansion for it to work properly.
Brawa, on the other hand, doesn't exert nearly as much pressure and in fact in quite useless. The money back guarantee is a rip off, because if you didn't use it 10 hours a day for 6 months or whatever they stipulate, they'll say...well its your own fault that they didn't work. Now I ask you..Who can possibly stick to a ridiculous schedule that they claim is neccessary?
But, like I said, you would be surprised what girls get up to to Noogle once they are hooked on the system.
Tiran1
(Login Tiran1) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? December 6 2009, 1:50 PM
Hi Philli,
Thank you for your answer!!!
I think I will try it...at least it may lift them up a bit. Even now if I gather them upwards with my hands ( :-))
they look OK even size wise, perkier not flat...I could live with them if they could stay that way....Does NB firm the muscles underneath?
What was your routine in the beginning? Only one hour a day?
One more thing if you don’t mind. You said that if one gains some breast growth with PM and then stops taking the herb, breast will go to original size? Did I understand you right? So is it a lot like contraception pills that give some fullness while you are on them?? I thought PM develops breast for good...
Thanks a lot! I hope you are OK with me asking So many questions…
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Philli
(Login Philli1) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? December 6 2009, 2:38 PM
Hi Again. Regarding PM. The manufacturers themselves say that the swelling will go down if you stop taking them, but...if you continue taking 2 or 3 a week it will stay. I take 1 a day now simply for all the other good attributes that it offers... i.e., soft skin, healthy hair, strong finger nails, circulation. They really are good pills.
Regarding Noogleberry. Yes, the domes will firm you up and round you out. Most users notice that thier breasts take on a rounder shape from Noogling. When I started I did indeed do it as often as I could..... I think everybody does. But nowadays, I just do about 20 mins at a time. Actually today, Sunday, I did 20 mins in company of my coffee and ciggy before 'He' got up, just to get my circulation moving, and I did 20 mins again about an hour ago because...I just felt like it...and he is busy working. It's a pity that I cant add pics to this message, then I could show you the results.
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Please, opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust????
Hi,
Did anyone tried those brands??? Please share with me your opinion on them!!!
Thank you !!!
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Tiran1
(Login Tiran1) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? October 11 2009, 5:31 PM
Sorry, I made a mistake (((
By cultivar I ment Primeum PM Farmed Cultivar caps that deborah from e-bay sells.
In general I have trouble finding official websites for those two...
But the question stays the same...Thanks
sandy
(Login sandy111)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? October 12 2009, 8:36 AM
I have both.The cream had no effect on me but some ladies had good results with it.Not for me though
The pills:I used them for 2 cycles.First cycle 200mg second cycle 400mg.I might try taking them this cycle on day 7 since i had no result with my previous attempts and i think 600mg will be too much to take..Hope others could give you a better feedback than mine.Good luck!
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Tanyada
(no login) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? October 12 2009, 2:48 PM
I have used it for about 13 months. Very potent for me. Increase size and my periods are wetter and longer.
Vaginal secretions incresed also. I feel a lot better during that time of the month! My friends tell me my hair is fuller and my skin nicer. Definitely potent for me!
Only 200mg/day 15 days/ month.
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Tiran1
(Login Tiran1) Thanks for your answers!! October 13 2009, 11:24 AM
Tanyada!
It's SO great you got results ))))
did you use only capsules or their cream as well???
What was your gain???
cheers
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Butterfly
(Login Butterfly84) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? October 14 2009, 3:56 AM
I have the Premium caps, however, i have not used them consistently because whenever i do, I get such a headache and feel sluggish and tired. Next cycle I may start up again taking only 100mg.
BTW, how can a longer, wetter period be more healthy?
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sandy
(Login sandy111)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? October 14 2009, 8:41 AM
I might try 300 mg my next cycle but on day 7 of the cycle..But i don't know when i'm done should i always wait for my period and then take them at day 7?
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sara
(no login) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? October 15 2009, 2:01 AM
How can a longer wetter period be healthy? When you are very young not a problem. AS you get older your periods are dryer and shorter and you are staring to age. This is because your body is making less and less estrogen.....then there is menopause. Menstruation sheds the lining of your uterous,
Cancerous cells, precancerous cells gone. Vaginal aging is a big problem in women's health and aging. Vaginal dryness, vaginal atrophy is a big problem.
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Tiran1
(Login Tiran1) Sandy October 15 2009, 2:08 PM
Hi Sandy,
If this PM is indeed the most potent in the market, etc. I am thinking it is the best to stick to lower dose...and may be it will take a bit longer till you start seeing results...However you will be sure that you are not harming yourself...
just my opinion though...also i communicated with someone from siriporn and he also mentioned lower dosage and topicals...so it might be a general opinion of PM experts ))
thank you for your reply and good luck!
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Former PM user
(no login) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? October 16 2009, 4:32 AM
I used both. I used the cream for about 4-5 months. The cream did nothing for me. I continued the pills for a few months longer. I gained 1/2" total from this PM product. Like most of the girls on here I'd gain about a full inch during my luteal phase and then following my period, my breasts would shrink back down. I finally decided to quit PM altogether and took a month break. At which point I lost that 1/2" of growth. I'm finally trying fenugreek again. I originally tried it last year for just 2 months. I had to quit because I had a horrible eczema reaction during that time period and quit taking anything that could possibly be irritating it. But in those 2 months of using fenugreek I gained 1" and I've kept that inch of growth for about a year now, so it's pretty safe to say that the growth I got from fenugreek was permanent. I've been back on fenugreek for about 2 weeks now and I haven't had any allergic/eczema outbreaks and I've been getting pretty strong growing pains already.
I don't want to say Cultivar/Ro-bust won't work for you because we're all different and it is inexpensive enough to give it a shot, but I just wanted to let you know that it unfortunately didn't work out for me.
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sandy
(Login sandy111)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? October 16 2009, 8:28 AM
True the Siriporn Pm recommends low dose a max of 600mg per day..I only took 400mg but will reduce it my next cycle
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Tiran1
(Login Tiran1) Former PM User October 17 2009, 10:41 AM
Hi,
could you please tell me more about taking Fenugreek?
what are the dosage and how do you take it??
Couple of years ago i bought this 'flat to fab ' book and tried the programme that included FG for a month, but I had such horrible skin reactions...However, I think it was from liqorice as then I found out that sweeties would give me the same rush..
Anyway, did you take only FG at that period or sth else as well?
Thank you!
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Former PM User
(no login) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? October 17 2009, 6:34 PM
Most of what I've learned about fenugreek I've learned from this forum and all the helpful posters. (I've been reading this forum for about a year now, maybe I should join already =P). Anyways a good link that I always go back to is one of Wahaika's thread about herbs and springtime (http://www.network54.com/Forum/371678/me...what+works!). Wahaika gives great advice on dosages and regimens. When I started NBE, I was a 32AAA..very small. I'm now a 32AA/32A but because I'm still so small I only take 1 fenugreek 610 mg pill twice daily so that's about 1220mg/day.
In addition to fenugreek, I also take maca powder, Vit E, Vit B-complex, protein shake, calcium + vit.D, Zinc, multivitamin, and flaxseed oil daily. The supplements I take are for overall health reasons but it seems like a lot of them are also important for NBE in general. Although I've always been somewhat curvy down there, I decided to give Maca root a shot. It has made my breast more round and my butt/hips have gone from 37" to 38". I also massage my breast with Vit E oil + heat. I used to use Palmers cocoa butter quit when I read all the threads about how mineral oil could hinder growth and that's one of the top ingredients.
I think the most important thing I've learned from all the Eve members and my own experience is that patience and positive thinking is key. For most, this will not be an over night journey. There's been several occasions when I get disheartened and feel like a fool for trying so hard to grow breasts but this forum always seems to lift my spirits. I'm still small but I have come a long way.I'm really hoping to eventually become a 32A/32B. I never wanted large breasts, I just wanted SOME breasts lol.
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carla
(no login) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? October 18 2009, 5:16 AM
To former PM user
Last year are the University I worked out myself and 20 women participated in an informal 6 month study using Fenugreek.
20 women participated and had to drop out because they could not tolerate the Fenugreek.
That left 18 women. At the beginning of the study we recorded everyones beginning weight and at the end we recorded everyones weight.
We used a potent topical extract made by one of the chemistry professors.
16 women had zero results.
2 women insisted that they increased one cup size. When we reviewed their data one had gained 5 lbs the other had gained 7 pounds. We hypothosized the breast gain came from the weight gain.
The women made a committment to loose the extra weight over several months. They continued using Fenugreek topical. When the weight was back to there starting point we looked breast size.
Results zero..........big zero.
Then we looked in the major academic libraries for fenugreek research...lots of research but nothing suggesting breast gain only source was the marketers. They keep citing one mouse study that they are misinterpreting.
Yam and Fenugreek contain disogenin which is mildly estrogenic. In the lab with enzymes industry converts disogenin to things that progesterone, pregnenolone etc. The human body can not convert it.
So in conclusion Fenugreek works that any weak plant estrogen...if it did work there would be no lasting gain once you stop using it,
Here is an article wriiten by an MD that did similar research Dr Berman about yams and Fenugreek
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Fenugreek (Trigonella foenum-graecum) and Wild
Yam (Dioscorea villosa)
Although roasted fenugreek seeds were reputedly used
by harem women to enhance buxomness, there is no
evidence that fenugreek increases breast size. Both
fenugreek and wild yam contain diosgenin, which can be
converted to progesterone in a laboratory, but there is no
evidence that such conversion takes place endogenously.
An article distributed as evidence that diosgenin increases
mammary size does not support the claim. This
experiment, in which 20- or 40-mg/kg diosgenin was
given with or without estrogen to ovariectomized mice,
found no difference in wet or fat-free dry weight of
mammary glands in diosgenin-treated mice. Diosgenin
did significantly affect mammary maturation, increasing
terminal end bud differentiation (an effect that takes
place in late pregnancy or under estrogen treatment).
Although the words “growth stimulator” and “mammary
development” are used, in this case maturation is what
is meant.
To former PM user your a spammer a scammer and pulling everyone's leg
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Tiran1
(Login Tiran1) Former PM User October 18 2009, 6:11 PM
Hi,
thank you for your answer..it was awsome ))) I have the same situation here AAA at my best )..hopefully i will escape this misery somehow...like for me, even simply A would be sooooo great...so i will look like normal, like many others do ))))
I'll give a shot with PM and if miracle doesn't happen will switch to FG..i am also thinking of Erdic still as on another board i read that women went from a to c in 8 mnth, so it stuck in my head ...
Anyway, Thank you for your encouragement )))
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Tiran1
(Login Tiran1) Former PM User October 18 2009, 6:38 PM
Also , 1 more question about FG...which brand are you using, not Holland and Barrett for a chance??? And also do you use FG tincture for massage and if yes , what brand??
Thanks a lot )))
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Former PM User
(no login) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? October 19 2009, 8:57 PM
I know exactly what you're going through. All I want is to feel like a woman and not have to wear padded bras to feel like one.
I'm actually using the Vitamin Shoppe brand fenugreek. I've used others but this one is inexpensive, convenient (there's a vitamin shoppe right up the street) and it contains no yeast, milk, eggs, or gluten so it's easy on my stomach.
I don't massage with Fenugreek. I've read several posts where it could be counter-productive to use a topical with fenugreek. But the main reason I don't is because I have very sensitive skin. All I do is massage with Vitamin E oil for about 20-30 min twice daily and in the evening I put a heat pad on my breasts.
Good luck on your NBE journey!
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carla
(no login) my 2nd attempt to post October 20 2009, 3:31 AM
To former PM user
Last year are the University I worked out myself and 20 women participated in an informal 6 month study using Fenugreek.
20 women participated and had to drop out because they could not tolerate the Fenugreek.
That left 18 women. At the beginning of the study we recorded everyones beginning weight and at the end we recorded everyones weight.
We used a potent topical extract made by one of the chemistry professors.
16 women had zero results.
2 women insisted that they increased one cup size. When we reviewed their data one had gained 5 lbs the other had gained 7 pounds. We hypothosized the breast gain came from the weight gain.
The women made a committment to loose the extra weight over several months. They continued using Fenugreek topical. When the weight was back to there starting point we looked breast size.
Results zero..........big zero.
Then we looked in the major academic libraries for fenugreek research...lots of research but nothing suggesting breast gain only source was the marketers. They keep citing one mouse study that they are misinterpreting.
Yam and Fenugreek contain disogenin which is mildly estrogenic. In the lab with enzymes industry converts disogenin to things that progesterone, pregnenolone etc. The human body can not convert it.
So in conclusion Fenugreek works that any weak plant estrogen...if it did work there would be no lasting gain once you stop using it,
Here is an article wriiten by an MD that did similar research Dr Berman about yams and Fenugreek
Last
Fenugreek (Trigonella foenum-graecum) and Wild
Yam (Dioscorea villosa)
Although roasted fenugreek seeds were reputedly used
by harem women to enhance buxomness, there is no
evidence that fenugreek increases breast size. Both
fenugreek and wild yam contain diosgenin, which can be
converted to progesterone in a laboratory, but there is no
evidence that such conversion takes place endogenously.
An article distributed as evidence that diosgenin increases
mammary size does not support the claim. This
experiment, in which 20- or 40-mg/kg diosgenin was
given with or without estrogen to ovariectomized mice,
found no difference in wet or fat-free dry weight of
mammary glands in diosgenin-treated mice. Diosgenin
did significantly affect mammary maturation, increasing
terminal end bud differentiation (an effect that takes
place in late pregnancy or under estrogen treatment).
Although the words “growth stimulator” and “mammary
development” are used, in this case maturation is what
is meant.
To former PM user your a spammer a scammer and pulling everyone's leg
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carla
(no login) 3rd attempt to post: October 21 2009, 2:57 AM
To former PM user
Last year are the University I worked out myself and 20 women participated in an informal 6 month study using Fenugreek.
20 women participated and had to drop out because they could not tolerate the Fenugreek.
That left 18 women. At the beginning of the study we recorded everyones beginning weight and at the end we recorded everyones weight.
We used a potent topical extract made by one of the chemistry professors.
16 women had zero results.
2 women insisted that they increased one cup size. When we reviewed their data one had gained 5 lbs the other had gained 7 pounds. We hypothosized the breast gain came from the weight gain.
The women made a committment to loose the extra weight over several months. They continued using Fenugreek topical. When the weight was back to there starting point we looked breast size.
Results zero..........big zero.
Then we looked in the major academic libraries for fenugreek research...lots of research but nothing suggesting breast gain only source was the marketers. They keep citing one mouse study that they are misinterpreting.
Yam and Fenugreek contain disogenin which is mildly estrogenic. In the lab with enzymes industry converts disogenin to things that progesterone, pregnenolone etc. The human body can not convert it.
So in conclusion Fenugreek works that any weak plant estrogen...if it did work there would be no lasting gain once you stop using it,
Here is an article wriiten by an MD that did similar research Dr Berman about yams and Fenugreek
Last
Fenugreek (Trigonella foenum-graecum) and Wild
Yam (Dioscorea villosa)
Although roasted fenugreek seeds were reputedly used
by harem women to enhance buxomness, there is no
evidence that fenugreek increases breast size. Both
fenugreek and wild yam contain diosgenin, which can be
converted to progesterone in a laboratory, but there is no
evidence that such conversion takes place endogenously.
An article distributed as evidence that diosgenin increases
mammary size does not support the claim. This
experiment, in which 20- or 40-mg/kg diosgenin was
given with or without estrogen to ovariectomized mice,
found no difference in wet or fat-free dry weight of
mammary glands in diosgenin-treated mice. Diosgenin
did significantly affect mammary maturation, increasing
terminal end bud differentiation (an effect that takes
place in late pregnancy or under estrogen treatment).
Although the words “growth stimulator” and “mammary
development” are used, in this case maturation is what
is meant.
To former PM user your a spammer a scammer and pulling everyone's leg
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S.B.
(Login ShyBoobs)
SENIOR MEMBER Might be back! October 22 2009, 5:42 PM
Former User,
Me and you are somewhat opposites. I had most my growth on PM, PC and GR (1.25"). I had stopped the GR (goat's rue) to save money and keep my program simple and my growth eventually came to a halt. I figured I should try the common herbs like FG, etc since people were reporting their growth on them and I wasn't responding anymore to PM. Man that was a big mistake. I grew 3/4" but then I shrank about 1/2". So now I'm thinkin' of going back to my previous routine in Dec after my cycle break, this time I'll be KEEPING the GR lol. I feel more confident I'll be getting some boobage if I do.
1st I'll see how this 'test run' goes with just GR and PC before I go for it. Hope I see something, cause I'm not fond of the period inconveniences on PM. Ah well!
BTW, someone post in the PM Forum on the new site! It's completely empty... XD
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Paloma
(Login Palomalove) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? November 25 2009, 7:53 AM
What's PC???
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S.B.
(Login ShyBoobs)
SENIOR MEMBER paloma November 25 2009, 5:22 PM
Hi,
PC is progesterone cream. I think it's good to use beings that PM is the most potent phytoestrogen. Also, there was this Japanese site that had blogged results of successful girls who used PC in conjunction to PM. Everyone is different, and there's plenty who grew without using it. But their method sounded logical to work with the menstrual cycle. Here's the thread in which it was discussed if you're interested...
http://www.network54.com/Forum/371678/th...nhancement
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Salome83
(no login) question to ShyBoobs November 30 2009, 6:01 AM
Hi ShyBoobs,
I realized that I am trying to follow a similar routine with yours, but i am not sure if I am doing it correctly, that's why i have a few questions for you if you don't mind answering.
For the last month, I used PM from my period day1-day21, and also I used Progesterone cream from day 14-28. isthis fine to do this? I ordered the PM that Phili was recommending from Ebay a Thailand PM and actually I liked it
I was thinking to stop by day14 but I was seeing growth so I continued until 21 and then stopped since i was scared to delay my next period.I am really very confused about this whole cycling thing, do we really need to cycle? cos I remember Phili didn't cycle at all. That's why i want to ask how you were using your PM and PC. I am also thinking to add Goat's Rue as you recommend it.
Thanks in advance,
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S.B.
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SENIOR MEMBER salome December 2 2009, 2:07 AM
Hi!
I just started my PM program the other day. Hm, maybe Phili was better suited to answering your question instead...but I'll put in my 2cents. I personally believe that since PM is the strongest phytoestrogen, women who are not in menopause should only use it 2 weeks per month. I've read about people skipping periods when taking it all month. So I'm only taking it for 14 days. Who knows tho, maybe it just depends on the individual. For the PC, you're using it correctly.
BTW, if you need a cheaper site for GR, visit Viable Herbal Solutions. Keep on growin'!
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Salome83
(no login) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? December 2 2009, 3:01 AM
Thanks a lot for the info I will check Goat's Rue for sure! I hope I didn't mess up with my hormones by taking PM until day21 instead of 14, if I see a delay on my period, I will stick to 1-14 cycle. I also noogle by the way, hope the combo will give me what I want. Thanks again,
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Philli
(Login Philli1) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? December 2 2009, 8:55 AM
All I can say is this. The producers/sellers of PM do give pointers as to when you should not take it...i.e, dring pregnancy and if you are under 20 years old since the body is still growing. Nowhere, have I ever seen where a company has said Not to take it during your period. I have never interupted my daily intake and personally, I think that if you do, it will also effect the way it works on your body.. Perhaps this is the reason why some girls say PM doesn't work...they keep stopping and starting all the time and any swelling that is gained is immediately lost.
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carla
(Login carlaa1124) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? December 2 2009, 10:53 AM
First and foremost only stupid rinky dink mfg's make the recommendation to take pm capsules for breast enhancement. I doubt you will ever see a credible supplement company do that. There are just too many liabilities. Perception become truth when people complain to gov't.
You can probably take it all month if you start the first day of you cycle and not stop.
Who are you going to blame: yourself or someone else if you get sick? More is better?
People get sick all the time from abusing supplements. Trust me.
Companies make creams for breast enhancement. It like putting the capsules directly into the breast. What is it that women don't understand.
Dr Wichai did a 3 month study in Thailand with capsules to prove a point not to endorse a protocol.
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Tiran1
(Login Tiran1) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? December 2 2009, 11:22 AM
Hi Philli!
Just for your information, St Herb- one brand from Thailand state that you need to take 800mg for 15 days from the first day of your period and than start again at the first day of your next period, and so on....it is just one example…
So you see, some producers, not only St Herb, advice this method, although some other brands suggest a continuous use.
Then some say that only at a low dose of 50mg you can intake it continuously...
Hence, all the confusion....you see, the sellers of PM don't have any consensus on how to take PM and the doses...
And yes, all of them advice not to take coffee or alcohol, and, yes we do know about that....
Also referring to your previous post, with all the respect, don't call us, who take PM to increase breast size, vain...after all sitting around with Noogleberry for one hour a day for 4 years may seem joining the vanity world to some extend! Please don't criticize us, looks like you are on the same boat with the rest of us!
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Philli
(Login Philli1) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? December 2 2009, 11:34 AM
Carla, you're right. Read my new thread. PM has been around since before America was America. Literally hundreds of years...Buddhist monks talked of its properties in documents known to be 500 years old....specifically as a health supplement to good health and a long life. I dont think they particularly cared about growing boobs. But, like I said, We live in a Vanity World where success apparently depends on the size of your breasts. How pathetic.
The fact that PM has this 'peculiar' side effect has made it into a world seller and ....why shouldn't the Thailanders hop onto the band wagon and promote this characteristic. It's thier product after all. It only grows in thier country..and hey...we all need money. Only difference is, they need less than american companies to get by and can afford to sell it at its real price....cheap. That doesn't make it any less potent than the stuff being sold by US companies at 10 times its value. But, it has english instructions so I guess people need to see 'take two tablets a day' in english to trust it.
I've been doing a little surfing around about Mentrual irregularlites. Seems like stress, worry, poor diets, junk food, irregular meal times and inadquate sleep cycles contribute more to 'screwing up' the body than anything else. Seems to me, that most girls are only too happy to blame it onto a new pill they are taking to defend all the other things that are wrong in thier daily lives.
Perhaps I'm fortunate. We have a very balanced life..No worry, no stress, no debts, regular wholesome meals and a healthy sex life. Although I'm no longer concerned with my breasts...E is big enough, I still take one PM a day for all its real benefits.
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carla
(no login) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? December 2 2009, 1:55 PM
Wild PM is cheap for now until its all gone. They are picking the stuff that has been growing for years.
The only part of your statement I am absolutely positive that is incorrect is.....Farmed Pm is expensive to
produce, however the quality is substantially different. Its has at least 15 times more activity.
I have seen validated academic assays. If you saw what I saw you would understand farmed is actually more cost
effected. Wild has only a little miroestrol and only traces of d-miroestrol if any.
Another part of your statement I disagree with is justifying Thai's selling this stuff for breast
enhancement. The Thai FDA does not allow this in Thailand. Do you think these people have a dog in the fight
sending it ovrerseas. Are you going to sue them. The Thai's have a bad name for spiking supplements with
pharmaceuticals. One company I will not name was spiking Butea Superba with Viagra. What do you think of
that? Pueraria Mirifica is a miricle herb with many applications more miraculous than breast enhancement. The
general public just does not get it yet.
best
C
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Philli
(Login Philli1) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? December 2 2009, 3:50 PM
Tiran1 ....(Quote) 'Also referring to your previous post, with all the respect, don't call us, who take PM to increase breast size, vain...after all sitting around with Noogleberry for one hour a day for 4 years may seem joining the vanity world to some extend! Please don't criticize us, looks like you are on the same boat with the rest of us!
What can I say. I must admit that after regaining my health...and one cup size, my Hubby was rather impressed and the inevitable question came up...errrr, I wonder just how much bigger I could get (make) them? His reply...'give a try'. I must admit he is a bit of a ...to use the male expression...Tit-man. So I had his 100% backing and didn't have to slink away and pump up in secret, like so many girls seem to do. We both found it, and still do find it, an enjoyable 'pastime' and it keeps our intimate moments alive and kicking. So, you see, its not so much a vanity thing with me, but more of a way of keeping life 'interesting'. I never felt insecure with my Bs, in fact, I never even thought about making them bigger. Taking PM was recommended to me by a Chinese friend (female) as a way to improve my health after a serious bout of bronchitis. She just happened to mention...'By the way, if you want bigger boobs, this will do it' I had no idea that such forums as this even existed...didn't care. But, after commenting on the Noogleberry Forum for the first time last year, I became very aware of how seriously girls take thier breast size, or lack of it.
The rest is history.
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ShyBoobs
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SENIOR MEMBER Just MHO... December 2 2009, 8:16 PM
Tiran, good point. Seems like these companies don't have an agreed-upon dose or length of time in taking PM. I would rather work with the menstrual cycle, so I'm sticking with what I'm doing. Must be doing something right because I grew and never skipped a period. And yeah, Philli is a lil blunt but I can respect her point of view. I mean I know I would think it vain/unncessary for a woman with a D cup wanting to be even bigger. However, I see nothin' wrong with a woman wanting to fill out her bras better or be more proportionate. Really you can't fault a girl with A or smaller boobs for wanting to have a decent chest with all this pressure from the media and society--esp in the US. I know when I look in the mirror with my itty bitties, I can't help but feel a lil frustrated lol. After all, it's human nature to want to improve your appearance and look your best.
And yes, I actually read about PM's benefits before I bought some; it's a great herb. I believe the Dr. Passwater interview was where I 1st found some info, along with Deb's site about PM.
BTW Philli, great idea about using the Noogleberry in conjunction with caps. I would consider it myself if I had my own place, even tho I don't like the idea of sitting around with the machine on my boobs. XD
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Philli
(Login Philli1) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? December 2 2009, 9:26 PM
Actually SB, its just a plastic dome with a length of tubing and a hand pump. I'm not 'wired' in any way to an electric pump and I can freely walk around wearing one or two domes...depending on my mood. I dont want to get any bigger...I'm tired of buying new bras.. I have dozens that no longer fit me. For that reason, I just pump for about 20 mins a day...at brekkie, while we drink our coffee...decaff... and smoke 'that' first ciggy. That's enough now...its called maintenance pumping by Nooglers.
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ShyBoobs
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SENIOR MEMBER Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? December 3 2009, 1:29 AM
Ah. Thanks for clearing that up, hon. I was under the impression that it was some noisy machine that you plugged in. XD
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Salome83
(no login) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? December 3 2009, 9:02 AM
Shyboobs,
No, noogleberry is a very silent and convenient one, I love it!! The noisy one that you need to be attached is Bosom Beauty 2012, i have it too, but don't use it anymore since noogleberry is a lot better. I read that many people finds BB2012 domes more comfy, but i don't understand why. I have all the domes of BB and noogleberry and they are all plastic with no padding, so it is the same thing and interestingly I like noogleberry domes a lot more and I just use them. The BB domes' shape seems slightly better to fit the ribs but this doesn't make it to hurt less in my opinion.
Tiran,
I wouldn't agree with you more, there are many companies all with different directions. I just found a new one called pure miracle herbs http://www.puremiracleherbs.com/, in the FAQ part they tell that you can take it whole month safely (but if you feel cramps you can skip taking during mensturation) as long as it is less than 1000mg a month. and it seems like a trustable site.
I don't know actually and just very confused, currently I am using the ones that Phili recommended and I must confess that I think they work! I am just trying to use my logic and read as much as I can about the cycling and dosage. Those Thai ones are 300mg per capsule but it doesn't say if it is 100% PM(at least it doesn't say in English and I am no good at Thai) so the actual PM in it might be 100mg or 200mg or anything. I took 1 in the morning and 2 before bed so in total 3 per day, I took it from day1-day21. Today is my day 28 and I am waiting to see if i will have a delay,grrrr
normally i have a regular period which is always on time. And by the way in many websites that sell PM, they recommend calcium intake. So I tried to drink 2 cups of milk every day. The reason why PM worked for Phili might be because she is German, I stayed there as an exchange student and they drink milk with lunch no kidding lolAnyways about the dosage and cycling, I think it makes sense that you can take it the whole month if you are taking really low dosage like 50mg, and this won't cause a problem for your mensturation but probably you will see all the benefits of PM other than breast enhancement. And the cycling with high dosage also makes sense since the level of estrogen had be low for ovulation, that's why estrogen starts to decrease before lutheal phase and by day 14 it is the lowest and ovulation occurs. When you take high dosage of PM your estrogen level remains high and this doesn't let ovulation to happen for a while as a result your period is postponed (btw, I am an economist and not a herbalist or biologist and I am no expert and I would like to be corrected if I say something wrong this is just what I know from my basic biology courses)
And I also agree with you about being criticized for trying to do NBE in a NBE forum. It is just so funny people doing the same thing for years to call us pathetic, what's pathetic here? personally I am a very confident person about my looking and feel lucky for my appearance, and I believe there are many people here who are already confident and doing NBE. there might be people who are not confident so here are many things they can do to get confident such as NBE, what's wrong with this? If you are not happy with something you try your best to enhance it, that's very normal. I had an A cup before doing anything and now most of the time I am B and if not a full A, but I am proportionate for all my body, of course i would like to be a C cup or maybe larger, this doesn't mean I am pathetic. Maybe we should call everyone who is exercising and trying to have a fit frame to increase their confidence, pathetic
Well then i am really pathetic cos i go to gym regularly to stay fit plus I am doing NBE We all have a life and NBE is just fun part of it. happy growing to all my friends here (oops to ones who wants to grow
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Philli
(Login Philli1) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? December 3 2009, 3:28 PM
Hello Salome. Let me clear up those few points. If you are taking the same PM as me, it is 300mg pure...no additives. Yes, I do drink a lot of milk...fat free. When I used the word 'Pathetic' I was refering to those in the Male World enviroment who decide how big our boobs must be to be successful. But I will still stand by what I said that taking pills and hoping and wishing and praying that something will grow is not enough. There is the possibllity to help growth along with such 'devices' as supplied by Noogleberry, an English company...not located in Thailand with instructions in Thai. And they dont cost hundreds of dollars like the typical American...'you want it, pay an arm and a leg for it' companies.
I simply cant believe that nobody has an hour of free time for themselves during a day when they can sit down, relax and pump up thier boobies for 30 mins or an hour and encourage them to grow a little faster.
Salome83
(no login) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? December 4 2009, 3:51 AM
Hi Phili,
I agree with you about noogleberry, personally I was using it even when I wasn't taking any pills during summer. I think it helps with breast growth, you just show boobs how they should be and they get used to it and stay like that after a while
And yes it is really really easy to use, my noogleberry and my 1 hour a day is my relaxing time for me. And thanks for clearing up that Thai pills are 300mg pure PM. I will just take 2 or 3/a day next time, I remember in Noogleberry forum you mentioned you used 4/day for a while.However I disagree with you regarding your other post, calling people pathetic or vain who are taking pills for breast growth and not using noogleberry. Poeple can take only pills and pray or just wait and expect breast growth. They may experience positive or negative results, it all depends on our bodies and hormones, everyone is different. For some people herbs can make miracles even when they donot spend an hour/a day for suction. You should think twice before writing a statement like that if we are aware of the effects of the pills we are taking. There are many knowledgable people in this forum and of course they research before taking pills like crazy.
The fact that you "accidentally" ended up in NBE when you were taking PM just for health issues, doesn't make you know "all" the stuff and others know "nothing". Or in other words, to speak in your language, this fact doesn't make you "cool" and others "pathetic".
Tiran1
(Login Tiran1) Thought on pumps… December 4 2009, 9:48 AM
Hi Philli,
You did encouraged me to look at the forum about pumps here on this site. Many had good results with NB and are quite happy with it. But many girls said that you need to wear it for 1 hour but 2-3 times a day....is it so?
Also many are so positive about Brava, but 13 hours a day and more that 14 weeks....it is SUCH A COMMITMENT then!!!!
I know that Brava is FDA approved and all, but it is so difficult to understand how the skin doesn't get saggy.
When I breastfed for a year my boobs were quit big (AA to C), and when it was over my skin was quite well saggy....and still after many years I don't feel that it is as plump as on the rest of my body...
Have you ever quit NB for quite a long time and see what is happening with the breast? If you do it every day (or even with the break of couple of days) , may be the swelling still remains and therefore the size (and perkiness)...Is it possible at all? And if you drop it all together, can you end up with saggier boobs hen you started with?
Also I read some girls said that they pump till it hurts like hell, don't remember about which device (positive thing for them as they think that it means that device is powerful=effective)...I think it is as clever as taking 2000 mg of PM ))!
I do worry how safe is that (all this devices), at the end of the day many things were in and out of favour with FDA! Also many agree that the suction on Brava is much weaker than that of other devices.I worry that it can bring mastopothia ( not sure that is a right term for this in English) and other problems for those who are more predisposed to it ( and you don't know whether your are unless you start having problems)…I think breast is quite a fragile part of a body…
I would welcome everyone's opinion on this matter as I can't make up my mind!!!
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Philli
(Login Philli1) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? December 4 2009, 4:01 PM
Hello Tiran. I think a lot of girls misunderstand the whole theory of suction pumping the breasts because they dont understand enough about thier own bodies. The reason why we both felt saggy after breast feeding is because the full milk glands that caused our breasts to swell were now empty and there was nothing to keep the swelling anymore, but the tissue was stretched.
Suction cups like Noogleberry are designed to stretch the entire breast area..inside and out by exerting external pressure to it and thereby causing everything inside to expand...essentially blood vessels and veins which carry the blood around the body and through the breast tissue. Basically, PM causes improved blood circulation...a feature which promotes growth,.. that is why it works so well. Incidently, I began using it because Bronchitis had hindered my circulation and I got out of breath too quickly going up stairs and rushing around shopping etc. But, getting back to the point, the blood carrying veins and vessels will, over a period of time remain permantly stretched and thus more tissue will grow inside the breasts. even though the process is slow it starts taking place almost immediately and may go un-noticed for weeks, but it is happening. The first signs are not bigger boobs, from a 'stick out' point of view, but a more rounded shape and thus fuller. After my illness I really did have ugly saggy boobs from loss of weight.... a lot of weight, and it was about a year before I got my body back into shape. At first I thought my bras were all shrinking and getting old, but, in fact, they were now too small, and the first time I put on a C bra, I realised that they had changed shape and were fuller and rounder.
It is true that many Nooglers overdo it a little because they look so good when they 'flop' out of a dome after being under pressure for an hour or more...I'm as guilty as the rest, but, although they shrink back after a while, they never shrink completely back.. Internal growth, maybe only millimeters, is taking place all the time. It becomes noticeable when girls find it easy to fill the dome they originaly ordered because because they fill it too quickly and, in fact, there should always be space in the dome for expansion for it to work properly.
Brawa, on the other hand, doesn't exert nearly as much pressure and in fact in quite useless. The money back guarantee is a rip off, because if you didn't use it 10 hours a day for 6 months or whatever they stipulate, they'll say...well its your own fault that they didn't work. Now I ask you..Who can possibly stick to a ridiculous schedule that they claim is neccessary?
But, like I said, you would be surprised what girls get up to to Noogle once they are hooked on the system.
Tiran1
(Login Tiran1) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? December 6 2009, 1:50 PM
Hi Philli,
Thank you for your answer!!!
I think I will try it...at least it may lift them up a bit. Even now if I gather them upwards with my hands ( :-))
they look OK even size wise, perkier not flat...I could live with them if they could stay that way....Does NB firm the muscles underneath?
What was your routine in the beginning? Only one hour a day?
One more thing if you don’t mind. You said that if one gains some breast growth with PM and then stops taking the herb, breast will go to original size? Did I understand you right? So is it a lot like contraception pills that give some fullness while you are on them?? I thought PM develops breast for good...
Thanks a lot! I hope you are OK with me asking So many questions…
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Philli
(Login Philli1) Re: Please opinion on Cultivar and Ro-Bust???? December 6 2009, 2:38 PM
Hi Again. Regarding PM. The manufacturers themselves say that the swelling will go down if you stop taking them, but...if you continue taking 2 or 3 a week it will stay. I take 1 a day now simply for all the other good attributes that it offers... i.e., soft skin, healthy hair, strong finger nails, circulation. They really are good pills.
Regarding Noogleberry. Yes, the domes will firm you up and round you out. Most users notice that thier breasts take on a rounder shape from Noogling. When I started I did indeed do it as often as I could..... I think everybody does. But nowadays, I just do about 20 mins at a time. Actually today, Sunday, I did 20 mins in company of my coffee and ciggy before 'He' got up, just to get my circulation moving, and I did 20 mins again about an hour ago because...I just felt like it...and he is busy working. It's a pity that I cant add pics to this message, then I could show you the results.