April 7
Took Ainterol 2x a day with MACA 4x , Hops 4x, SP 2x, MSM 4x (2x of 2 different kinds), vit c, borage oil and my normal everyday sups.
Using combined manual pump and electric pump.
I measured myself yesterday after confirming my period was 100% over and I went back down to 33in.
So the measurements I had before must have been pre-cycle swelling. Which makes me kind of sad ):
NOTES
Though I have noticed while taking ainterol for almost 2 weeks along with the x-r1 cream everyday that my chest feels softer and appears more perky, even though I've gone down in size.
I can't really tell if its making the denser tissue inside each breast softer? It feel a bit different but it may just be placebo?
I've been taking 2000mg of MACA 4:1 extract (= to 8000mg fresh MACA root) everyday at the same time as taking my ainterol. I'm unsure if its causing any growth.
This is the same brand of MACA I've been taking for a bit now, I've been testing to see if taking MACA alone with a different Estrogenic herb (PM instead of FG) would make any difference with gains.
So far not much to write home about. I am halfway through this bottle and have 2 more but for experiments sake I may switch over to my MACA + FG combo sup again to test how that would work while taking PM, and NOT drinking the shakes (the combo pill I tried back in october along with Miss MAD Scienticts soy flour + flax shakes, gaining 6 lbs)
Current measurements
Bust: 33.25
Upper: 32.25
Under: 29.5
Waist: 26.5
Hip: 33.5
Lower hips/glutes: 38.5
Thigh: 2.5
Somehow my underbust measurement keeps getting smaller? I don’t know how. I am waist training but I'm only wearing my elastic trainer, not my corset. And not everyday, maybe 3 or 4 times a week. Sometimes for like 6-7 hours, sometimes only for an hour. So I don't think it could be making that much of a change that quickly??
The rest of my measurements have really not changed much, which is kind of disappointing…but also strange? As I've gained weight and am now
124.8lbs
Up 3 lbs since I gained all that weight in October, but my measurements are all the same?
Very weird…maybe I took my measurement wrong months ago? Not sure.
April 16
Was away from home for the last week + in the city the last few days for a birthday so I haven’t been great to my body. I wasn't taking any of my sups, and only used any of my topicals a couple times, no massage. Tried to remember to use my PC (5 pumps) and forgot a couple days so I used it tonight and will continue to use it for the next few days to try to makeup for the days I missed, and will stop a couple days before period starts. Since I'm home for a bit I will be using my pumps again and hopefully start to see some growth.
Kinda sat I'm in a plateau right now .. hopefully this next cycle with PM starts to become promising.
Notes:
Testing MACA alone for awhile hasn't given me much growth or weight change overall, so I'm going to say that it being combined with either the fenugreek, or the soy flour routine is what really helps add shape/fat/size to the butt.
I'm debating testing the soy flour method again, this time without Maca or FG to see if it reproduces the same results as when I first tried it. I was able to find some soy flour for SUPER cheap in the city (8.50 for 2lbs vs 30$ 2lbs from Amazon) I just need to make sure I am incorporating working out into my routine so I can get gains in the right places.
One positive thing is that when I went to the city to visit my friend, she did mention to me that she noticed my chest was larger and that she noticed a difference in size. That surprised me honestly, since it feels like I've kind of lost the plumpness I was getting before..so I will take that as a win and try to use it to keep me motivated to keep going.
On a personal note: I can feel myself getting distracted from NBE and not putting as much effort in as when I first started...which isn't what I want to be doing, especially if I want to see more results ASAP.
I think I'm just feeling discouraged with lack of growth or change in the past few months and was hoping I would keep the first initial growth I saw going for awhile. I guess that's the problem when you're being a guinea pig for yourself and testing a bunch of different methods one after another. It is helping me learn what works and what doesn't for me though.
I think I may also need to go back to trying fenugreek again, in a high dose and 50% saponins...to truly see if it was something that gave me lots of gains initially....but I need to do more research about FG and PM at the same time ..if it's good or bad.
April 19
No changes in shape or size. I've been taking maca, SP, and my daily MSM, vit c, vit d3, K probiotic, borage oil, iodine.
I’m almost out of borage oil. Havent decided if I'm buying more.
I did buy sawnson 50% saponin 500mg fenugreek, and I plan on taking that along with PM and MACA.
I’m doing step 3 of my experiment to see if MACA + FG causes growth.
I'm still trying to figure out if the cause for the size increase back in oct/nov was:
1) just purely from weight gain
- The soy + flax actually affected growth
- The MACA + FG + Soy + flax combo is what created growth.
- If the FG was just pure weight/fat gain, or it actually grew breast tissue.
I'm also looking into goats rue again, and also white peony.
This last couple months of testing has me wondering if I maybe have higher T than I first suspected, hence the easy weight gain on my butt, thighs and stomach.
I try to drink spearmint but I cant stand the taste everyday so I need another option to support aromatase.
I've been researching macromastia and a lot of things keep coming back to IGH and HGH, as well as prolactin for mammary development. I keep having this feelings that taking something for mammary growth is super important, and may also explain my lack of size and poor shape, and also the lack of structure in the nipple which I've read causes the puffiness that I'm trying to get rid of.
I don't necessarily want to lactate AT ALL, but if taking certain herbs that actually help grow breast tissue and mammary glands gives me results…I may just deal with it if it happens.
This is all hypothetical though and may not happen, I just don’t want to be where I am right now in another 4 months.
Vent/Notes:
I mentioned feeling discouraged before, and that feeling is still lingering, idk what else I need to do besides keep testing certain herb combos and pumping even more than I already am, which takes a lot of time out of my free time when I have it which is getting slightly exhausting.
Tbh i looked at Evebra and was debating buying the whole system as its very hands free and WAY more easy to wear around the house, under clothes, to bed, ect…, then I realized it only ships to the US and I cried…legit. Lol
Also not to mention, I'm noticing I'm more uneven than before. My one nip was EVER SO SLIGHTLY lower than my other…and not im noticing it even more than I was before…which is frustrating because I feel like nothing else has changed besides that…
Tried to find an online at home hormone test to just check my levels, the site I found doesn’t ship to canada either, even though it looked like a great kit ): I have too much anxiety around doctors to try and go get one done at a clinic, so I'll keep looking online for one that will ship to Canada…but they're all so expensive like 500+ dollars sooo….
Also looking into Agmatine, apparently it is a compound found in arginine, but doesn't casue cold sore flare ups as much? I've found limited info on this, and a lot of people on reddit saying it good for HGH while working out. Some saying they didn’t notice any flare ups and some saying they had a couple but took lysine to combat it and they were fine. (Apparently agmatine is also found in watermelons? Lucky for me I love those, so guess im eating a fuck ton this summer lol)
I know i need to find something that supports HGH and IGF….i may also try buying freeze dried aloe for IGF as surferjoe recommends it and people seem to have success with it.
April 20
So I’ve been pumping for the past couple day and I feel like I was going crazy lately thinking that my chest has SHRUNK…and IM NOT CRAZY
CAUSE IT HAS!
My measurements atm of typing this are:
Bust: 33
Upper: 32
Under: 29.5
I have 0 clue how my underbust is shrinking? But it is. I've noticed for the past couple weeks it sometimes measuring less than 30 inches …..not sure if this is a sign my waist trainer is doing something or what.
But weirdly I'm smaller in size. I thought it was just all in my head but its absolutely not. Which is odd right now because I'm supposedly 3 days away from my period starting and I have no swelling in size, no soreness or pain. NO nothing…which isn’t what I’m used to, usually I have premenstrual swelling that puts me up at least half a cup size sometimes and then goes away as my period finishes but not atm.
I figured I’d write this down to remember for later incase this is a consisent thing.
If it is, I will have to determine what the cause of it is asap so I can stop it because I don’t want to lose the little progress I've had.
There is a large part of me that is debating going back on BC
JUST for nbe, but I’d need to get a hormone test done to know what BCP is the best one to help with that. Though I know it’s not guaranteed permanent, and I might lose all my size if I get off of it…but it’s something I've been thinking of lately.
I've never had that experience before when I was younger on BC…but maybe it as the kind I was taking wouldn’t help with growth or anything because it wasing supporting the right hormones for growth?
Anyways…the discouragement is even more so than before lol…..
Update:
I have a sense that the MACA is what may be decreasing my size?
I will have to continue testing combos. Though it is interesting that the MACA + FG combo back when I tried the soy flour method seem to work well.
Maybe it's just the MACA making my T too high overall so the 2 weeks I cycle the PM isn't enough, and I need the help from the FG for the whole month to help keep things in balance?
I’ve bought some white Peony and goats the to test for future.
When my fenugreek comes in (which seems like the same week my period starts and when I will be cycling PM again) I will add it to my routine, probably continue to take the MACA and monitor if it creates any changes. If not, I will add in the WP to see if something for aromatase will create growth.
If
THAT doesn't work, then I will either take out the MACA or add in goats rue.
I'm pretty sad that what I thought was a lack of gains was really a reversal. It may not seem like much but that .5 make me look and feel a lot different.
April 22
Started 2nd cycle of PM today, also took it with hops and my regular sups/vits
My fenugreek came in the mail today while I was out and id didn’t know so I’m going to have to go to the post office tmrw to pick it up, I plan on taking either 1 -2 caps a day throughout the entire month to see if it does anyting to help. I think I'll continue taking it with maca just to see if it does anything with it until my maca runs out and then try it without maca afterwards.
White peony and goats rude will be coming in the next week or so, I will add those inn after testing FG +PM + MACA for a bit.
Notes:
I'm realizing I need to get back to massaging a lot more, like at least 1 a day, 2x if I can make it happen, and get in as many hours of pumping as I can, but easier said than done.
It's really hard for me fit it in on the days that I'm working, so sometimes I can only do it like 2x a week which makes me sad, but it’s better than nothing. But going back to the massage thing, I saw post from someone who gained like 4 cup sizes in like 4.5 months, which blew my mind casue of their stack, it wasn't anything super crazy, so it was inspiring me to get my shit together again.
I’m eating more/ slightly better than I was last year, and I'm trying to work out for at least 20-30 mins a couple times a week.
I had other body goals before summer before an event I'm going to in august, so if I can at least get to 34-35 in bust measurement by august, I'll be happy, thought my goal size is
way more than that still.
FG came in the mail, so I have to pick it up tomorrow, white peony (WP) and goats rue (GR) should be here soon after.
Been looking into stimulating prolactin and using domperidone for growth as a possible future thing if this next few rounds of FG , maca, PM testing doesn’t pan out.
Though looking online its hard to source DOM in Canada, without a script :/
So if I was to do it without dom, it would be using prolactin heavy herbs and lots of massage and nip stimulation, which I dot really want to do cuz its extremely time consuming plus I have 0 desire to lactate, which is what a lot of people use dom for..
Its something I’ve been researching but not 100% sure if im going to go through with trying it unless I could actually source some that I don’t need a script for
Started
2nd round of PM on 22nd, period never came.
I stopped taking PM after day 7. May reintroduce next period cycle but at lower dose from 1000mg to 500mg.
Only taking FG and MACA for E support and overall hormone balance (to test if this method alone works or + SF (soy flour) helps)