Question Regarding Progesterone Cream
October 3 2007 at 5:27 PM Henri (Login henriettahippo)
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Hoping that one of you ladies here might be able to help me. My dr and I are still working out the issue with my "female problems" and one of the things she wants me to try out is the Progesterone Cream, not the synthetic but the natural one. I was supposed to start last month but by the time I got my cream my period came and I just didn't bother per instructions.
So anyway, today was day one of the cream, and I put it on last night as she (dr) instructed me, and today my boobs hurt so bad, its not funny..........is this normal? I am waiting for the dr to call me back, but thought I would throw it out there. I put the cream on my inner arms, and tonight will do my inner thighs, then neck, she also suggested the chest, but I've heard reports here against that.........could really use some feedback.
I am supposed to use this for the next two months and then we will re-evaluate what it does unless I have some adverse reaction. I've read some of what I can find here on the pc, but there is alot of information and I don't have the time to read everything right now.
Thanks
waxingmoon
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Re: Question Regarding Progesterone Cream
October 3 2007, 7:01 PM
Hi Henri,
I am glad your doctor is asking you to use the natural progesterone cream versus the synthetic kind. The natural is a completely different molecule from the synthetic and it behaves differently in the body.
One of the first reactions to progesterone cream (or for that matter any progesterone increase in the body for any reason) is that it activates dormant estrogen receptors. This can cause an initial worsening of estrogen dominance symptoms (the hurtin boobs). It will go away after a couple of cycles of continued use of the cream.
There is a slight possibility of allergic response, not to the progesterone, but rather to any other herbs that may be mixed with the type of cream you chose. The ingredients of all over the counter progesterone creams I have researched are different except for the USP grade progesterone.
I am glad you are consulting your doctor and hopefully she will advise you to continue. My initial response to progesterone cream was not only boob pains but an increase of an inch. Many people have this response to the cream, but apparently from reports from others on this board, not all.
I hope this will help you as much as progesterone cream has helped me. For me it was a God-send. My details are on the program page (title aaaa to start).
Good luck in your journey to good health,
waxingmoon
Henri
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Re: Question Regarding Progesterone Cream
October 3 2007, 9:06 PM
Hi Waxingmoon - I was hoping you would reply!! I have read your program multiple times, devouring every bit of information I can from it!!!
I am not encouraged to hear that things will probably get worse before they get better, but am willing to try it out ;-) I really was hoping that was just your reaction!!! *grin*
Other then my boobs hurting I felt great this morning, happy and calm and content and normal, but now I am feeling like crap again - headache, achy and irritable!!!
My dr got back to me earlier and said that what I am experiencing is normal, she didn't really answer if it worked this fast (like 1 dose) but wants to be kept aware of my symptoms inlight of the anemia and having a hard time with herbs.
I really hope this will help me, otherwise I might have to have my uterus removed............so I might be bugging you with more questions.
Thanks for the encouragement!!
WiccanWoman
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Re: Question Regarding Progesterone Cream
October 4 2007, 10:12 AM
Hugs henri. I too think I am going to give PM cream a try.. I need something cuz my hormones are just really low after hysterectomy. I hope whatever female troubles you are having resolve themselves. Though some of the benefits of having my Uterus removed are nice I have other "new" problems.. so its really just trading one for another.
The good..
No periods
No monthly interferrence with NBE I can do creams whenever I feel like it and take breaks as needed.
No cramps
No pain with sex
No PMS
No Cysts
No longer cold all the time
No spotting
The bad..
Hot flashes ( and yes I still have an overy but STILL have menopause issues)
Night sweats
Vaginal Dryness.. this one I really HATE
Lost feeling in my upper right hip, thigh and my lower belly due to a severed nerve. That is some thing that can happen during abdominal surgery.
Gaining weight.. in places I DON'T want it lol !
HATE my surgery scar.
Dry skin and losing that taughtness to my skin.
On top of NBE still trying to naturally balance my hormones with out having to take anything orally due to reactions.
After surgery I also went thru a painful lung inflamation, severe edema (swelling) of the legs and feet and it took months to recover. Its def a big choice to make to have your Uterus removed or not. I'n some ways I am glad I did other times I wish I had not. Anyone seriously considering it though should check out the Hystersisters website. Without them I would have been lost.
I wish you the best, please let me know how PM worked for you and how your doing.
Wic
Henri
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Re: Question Regarding Progesterone Cream
October 4 2007, 12:25 PM
Hi Wic!!! I don't take having a hyst. lightly, although I would still have both ovaries I don't know if its considered a full hysterectomy. I don't want it all. But if we can't get my symptoms corrected then I might not have too much of a choice. I do know my doc will be doing it internally as opposed to externally, so I wouldn't have a scare that I can see, or anyone else that might have an interest down there ;-) She said I also wouldn't need to go on hormone therepay either since I would still have my ovaries. I am going to go in shortly and have a d&c done to see if that helps - which I am not looking forwad too.
I battle now, hot flashes, night sweats, vaginal dryness, and on and on, and I am no where near menopouse!
WaxingMoon - I know have cramps today, on top of breast pain and this blasted headache that hasn't left.........but the cramps have me nervous that my period might come early. And I am hungry - not for healthy food either, but chocolates, breads, pastas.....greasy pizza.........potato chips, and more that I won't mention because now I am getting hungry.....again. Last night I forced myself to eat a salad for dinner (which was filling) just to make up for all the crap I ate during the day, I so don't want more weight on my butt. Day 2 and I am already debating on whether or not I should apply more tonight!!! The plus side, the past 2 nights I have slept like a baby and have woken up refreshed and ready to face the day. This has not happened since early April, before I started to get ill......
Goatwoman
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Re: Question Regarding Progesterone Cream
October 4 2007, 6:45 PM
I keep trying the natural progesterone cream but each time I do I start to bleed even after my period. I put it on this morning and within an hour I started to bleed again. I don't know now if I should stop or just keep using it???? I am 45 with very irregular periods. I also noticed I do sleep better using the cream so did my mom.
WiccanWoman
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Re: Question Regarding Progesterone Cream
October 5 2007, 4:00 AM
Well this makes sense. I did PM cream the last 3 nights and finally I got a full nights sleep. I am having some "Phantom" cramps like I used to on my period though. I'll give it a few weeks and see if they go away.
Henri
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Re: Question Regarding Progesterone Cream
October 6 2007, 1:07 AM
Feeling better today - still hanging in here. Still sleeping like a rock and waking up feeling pretty darn good. My headache is gone.
Noticed my boobs feel swollen, but don't necessarily look bigger. They feel bigger!! DH even commented on them feeling different, they hurt so bad though and are so sensitive. I have had to use a little heat to help with the aching in them, and find myself waking up holding them too. Hopefully this will pass.
Oh yeah noticed that when I took pc at night, get headaches, but forgot last night and took it this morning and no headache - related?
Hows everyone else making out?
Wenonae
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Re: Question Regarding Progesterone Cream
October 6 2007, 1:27 AM
Henri-
It seems you were estrogen dominant and high.
Avoid the breasts (cause progesterone really acts to 'release fats vs. store'), but I really think this is your thing because health and BE are all about the right ratios of the hormones for an individual. Sometimes when you use something new hormonally, your breasts respond. However, don't think that is your case.
Are you just applying it during the natural-high times of the cycle (like Days 18-28?). That might be something to discuss w/ your dr. if the instructions aren't already like that.
I think the time of the day you take it is important. I'd stick to the mornings. :-D
Wen'
Wenonae
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Re: Question Regarding Progesterone Cream
October 6 2007, 1:37 AM
Wiccan-
Are you still dealing with the 'cancer' stuff? You've definitely had a rough go of things...at least you're in good spirits. :-D
Anyways, the scar...the Renaissance Cream will help with the reduction of it (if it's raised) along with 20,000i.u. vit E oil applied topically.
If the progesterone doesn't work out...maybe something close to it will like the BC Depo-Provera.
Wen'
Henri
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Re: Question Regarding Progesterone Cream
October 6 2007, 12:39 PM
Wenonae - I am using the cream from day 12-28 or if my period starts sooner, its what my dr instructed. I was rotating where I applied it: arms, then thighs, then neck, then chest, then repeat, its was the dr. recommended. But I can avoid the chest if need be.
Also I am not taking pc for BE. Infact I am not taking anything for BE anymore. I know that you read through the posts frequently, but am not sure if you have read anything that has been going on with me. I can't take herbs anymore or anything else (bo or pm) for that matter for a min. of a year if then, my story is spread out through the posts, so I won't go into it.
I think I am going to stick to mornings. I felt good all day yesterday and didn't feel like it was wearing off by dinner the way I had been feeling. Now if my boobs would just stop hurting, my husband thinks I am fondling myself throughout the day, which is a turn on for him, but he doesn't really that they really really hurt!!
Still having horrible food cravings - cravings for junk food, and I am not a junk food person - especially chocolate, I just want chocolate, brownies, candybars, icecream, and greasy pizza (its like being pregnant!!!). I am not like this with my period, so its really weird.
waxingmoon
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Re: Question Regarding Progesterone Cream
October 6 2007, 1:00 PM
Hi Henri,
Sounds like you are doing well. I know the side effects are a little strong right now, but it is just the estrogen receptors waking up and it will pass in a few cycles. I never got the cramp feelings, but my breasts responded quite a bit. I know I have said this before about my growing and keeping an inch of growth from the PC, but what I don't mention as much is that during the first two months, that inch was actually two inches. There was an inch of swelling that came and went during the first 3 months or so. Let me tell you, I was SORE during that time.
By the way if you prefer you can break your dosage up and apply it morning and night. I did that at first and it is recommended to allow for better absorption. It does mean you have to have a lot of sites to keep the rotations up though.
Here are some great absorption sites:
Inside of arms, behind knee, tops of feet, center of chest (not breasts), rib areas at sides, back of neck, front of neck, backs of hands (best at night so you don't wash it off -and keep off fingertips so you don't accidentally rub it in your eyes during sleep) ---these are all areas of high blood flow and low fat. I initially used the tops of my thighs, but let me tell you, that is not a 'low fat' area on me right now... lol.
I did use it on my breast for one reason only and that was to control a fibrocystic lump in my left breast. I would apply it to the breast every third application. It took several months but it successfully dealt with that problem.
It is interesting to hear how everyone is talking about the effect on sleep. That was also the effect for me and one of the reasons I still use it now. My dosage has dropped back to about 10 - 20 mg and I use it about every other day of 12-28. It works like a charm. If I am having trouble sleeping I can apply a dose and snooze city.
Glad you are doing well,
waxingmoon
Goatwoman
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October 6 2007, 1:22 PM
I am also noticing some food cravings and the feeling of extreme hunger which is different for me. I do hope this will fade as I continue using the cream. Can women such as my mom who has went through menopause ( she is over 65 ) use the cream daily without breaks?
waxingmoon
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Re: Question Regarding Progesterone Cream
October 6 2007, 1:55 PM
I really wouldn't advise using PC without taking a break. The book 'What your doctor may not tell you about menopause' by Dr John Lee talks all about the use of PC during menopause.
Goatwoman
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Good article on PC
October 6 2007, 2:26 PM
This article did help me a lot understanding doses of PC. Scroll to the very bottom for women like my mom with no cycles. He said some can "take a break" one week out of the month, but so many women felt bad during that week he suggested continued use.
http://www.millennium-healthcare.com/new..._cream.htm
Goatwoman
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Tri-Gesterone DAILY
October 6 2007, 2:48 PM
Has anyone heard of or used this one? Daily takes a lot of the guess work out of using this cream. It would make life much easier for me who can't remember what I had for lunch yesterday.
http://vitaleffects.com/pages/ingredients.html
Wenonae
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Glad Waxingmoon posted...
October 6 2007, 7:10 PM
Hi Henri-
I actually haven't gotten to the posts where you described not being able to do any type of BE (but could see that in your starter post), but wasn't trying to provide input about doing BE..just commenting how it's all related. Also commented on what your hormonal status is. Waxingmoon has hit all the rest the nose and I'm glad she's shared about her PC experience before.
Just as aside, I think you'll be gaining breasts (like 1.2-1.5 cups) as a 'side effect' because you're getting healthy. The times you're taking it...it's a good place to start. Definitely pay attention to how your body's responding. It it all wears off by early evening...maybe try using it a little later in the morning so it lasts until you go to sleep.
As far as your cravings- if you're not a good vitamin supplement- do so. The chocolate craving usually indicates you that need a bit of magnesium. At least 150mg daily. This one looks great for ya.
http://www.vitacost.com/Pomology-Womens-...in-Formula
Wen'
WiccanWoman
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Re: Question Regarding Progesterone Cream
October 7 2007, 9:46 AM
Wen, Yes I go in for my full biopsy and blood work in 2 days. (Dr says he has never seen a case with a growth as large as mine not be cancer though) About a week after we'll know how good or bad it all is and when I will need to have surgery and or possibly radiation treatment.
Thier still sorting out my "other" health issues. Need to be retested for Lupus 2-3 more times before they feel comfortable ruling it out, MS and Fibro are still possible too.
I have a good Hubby and great support from friends so that keeps me upbeat and after being sick for years i'm just happy to be getting some answers.
Sorry Henri, don't wanna hijack your thread... I tried the cream on my thighs last night and they itched like crazy all day. Think I will stick to my palms, back of hand and tops/soles of feet. Hubby told me today though "I see you wore your water bra out." Told him nope had reg bra on and he was amazed said they look bigger so maybe progesterone is helping some with it. It also seems to be helping my vaginal dryness problem. So far I'm happy with progesterone cream.
Henri
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Hello Everyone!
October 7 2007, 9:24 PM
Wen - I didn't take it as input regarding NBE, just that you were offering advice. I just wanted to let you know that I am not doing BE anymore, so no one has to wonder if its a side effect from BE or from the progesterone cream. My iron dropped seriously low to the point I almost went in for a blood transfusion back in June and I have spent the remainder of the summer trying to get better. Although my levels have been doing good, everytime I try to start back up, they dip low again. So my dr said no more for a min. of a year.
I have found that morning, which is 10ish for me, is the perfect time. It doesn't were off at all, or I don't notice it until the next morning. I am terrible with supplements :-) except iron!!, so perhaps I will try that again. Last time I took them, they made me very sick.
WaxingMoon - thanks for the ideas of were to apply, I was wondering what all the areas were, and the rotation. My boobs are still sore - very sore, sometimes I catch myself wondering if I was actually holding my boobs in public - I must look like a riot!! I am not measuring, because I don't care if they grow or not. I am not expecting it or hoping for it, but will say that my smaller right boob, now looks almost identical to my larger left boob!!! The only difference now, is the right one isn't as defined, if that makes any sense at all.
Wiccan - Hijack away!!! I am sorry to hear things aren't going well for you. I am glad to hear that your Hubby is so supportive. Mine was never really helpful until I got sick and then I realized just how great he was.
I notice that when I first apply it anywhere, I have a slight itchy feeling for about 5mins and then it goes away. I am pleased so far with how I seem to be reacting, I just really wish my boobs would stop hurting, I feel like a broken record......
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K, Good Henri :-)
October 7 2007, 9:34 PM
We're on the same page.
Be sure to talk to your dr. about a good multi.
I'm glad you've got a dr. that's got some aptitude. Not all of them do. Those are the ones that will say, "O, herbs can't do that to you..." LOL.
Wen'
Henri
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Ummm Help!
October 8 2007, 4:41 PM
I have noticed that on the days that I apply the cream to my upper body: arms, neck, ribs - that I do really well during the days: not irritable, weepy, moody etc. BUT on the days that I apply the cream on my lower body I do horrible: weepy irritable, moody. Is this normal? I am half tempted to just avoid my lower body altogether and just rotate throughout my upper half since I am only using it once a day.
Right now I put the cream on my lower half - behind the knees, and seriously am tempted (and probably will) to apply some on my upper half to just get some relief. I feel anxious, jumpy, am snapping at my kids, and altogether feel like crap, like I didn't even take it. These were just some of the symptoms I haven't battled in almost a week, and so don't want to battle. I can't even think straight at the moment. - Help ME!!!!
I promise I won't complain about how much my boobs hurt anymore!! LOL
This message has been edited by henriettahippo on Oct 8, 2007 4:43 PM
Wenonae
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Do what works!
October 8 2007, 5:47 PM
:-P
Suffering is not obligatory. Rotate the upper half only...until it stops working then find other spots. It's different strokes for diff folks...or should I say spots??
Wen'
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Re: Question Regarding Progesterone Cream
October 8 2007, 7:56 PM
Hi Henri,
I agree with Wenonae, do what makes you feel the best. For me the anxiety relief was the best when I would apply it to the front of my neck.
It makes sense really. The upper part of our body is closer to the heart so greater blood supply travels to and from those areas. The warmer the area you are applying it to the better the absorption (because warmth means more blood supply).
The anxiety reducing effect for me was instantaneous from the first time I used the stuff. I really got attached to using it and it was very hard for me to wait those 12 days before I could use it again. I found out the hard way that waiting was necessary because you can stop your body from ovulating if you use it too soon in your cycle. Ovulation is what allows our body to develop the corpus luteum which is what creates most of our monthly progesterone.
I finally began using vitex just so I could make it to day 12 (I felt like a progesterone junky jonesing for my fix on days 1 - 11). It took about 3 months for the vitex to kick in but finally it did and I felt more normal. Since you are under doctor's orders I don't suggest you try the vitex without her approval, but it might be an option for you as well.
best wishes,
waxingmoon
Henri
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Re: Question Regarding Progesterone Cream
October 9 2007, 1:30 AM
Hi All ~ I gave in and applied alittle more about 1/8 of a tsp. on my neck and within about 10 minutes I felt calm again, and not as jumpy.
WaxingMoon - I so hear your "junkie" addiction, its kinda how I felt this morning, like I needed a fix. Don't know how I will do on days 1-11. I usually don't have a problem during the first half of my cycle, or so I think. My husband though has commented on how nice I have been as of late, and when I ask him how long he noticed me being "nice" he said almost a week or so!!!! Maybe I really am a monster ;-p Hopefully I won't have a problem the first 11 days, but I won't know until I get there.
I have learned my lesson and will be sticking with my upper half for a while, and then going from there.
Sarah
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Re: Question Regarding Progesterone Cream
October 10 2007, 6:55 AM
Could someone tell me if Puritan's Pride Progesterone Cream considered natural or synthetic? If it's not natural, is there a natural brand you can recommend? I live in Singapore so it's hard to get some of these things shipped to me at a reasonable price. How should the cream be applied? Should I rub or massage it in vigorously? Other than applying the cream, what other things should one do if one is 34AAA? Thanks in advance.
Henri
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What Did I Do Wrong?
October 10 2007, 9:25 PM
This week has begun to get super stressfull, and I feel like the PC isn't working for me anymore. I just seem really irritable and moody. Could the stress be doing this? Should I up my dose? Should I let it be? I don't know what to do a.t.m., so if I could just get some feedback I would appreciate it.
PC Junkie - Henri!
waxingmoon
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Re: Question Regarding Progesterone Cream
October 10 2007, 9:40 PM
Whoa Nellie there Henri!
You just started on Oct 3 and now it is Oct 10. It is still working for you, but it cannot do everything by itself in just 1 week. Give it time and all will be well.
How much did your doctor tell you to take? Stay with that unless you get the doctor's okay to do more. I was following the advice Dr John Lee outlined in his book. I took more than what most people started with. Should you do the same? I don't know what to say. His writings were very reassuring to me that I was not hurting myself with what I was doing -BUT - I did not have the same health problems you have recently been going through. That is why I think you should talk to your doctor before increasing your dosage.
Split your dosage up if you need to. A little in the morning and some for these 'crazy' times.
You are going to be okay. Just step away from the PC bottle and nobody will get hurt ... lol.
Yeah - I have been there. Talk to the Doc - ask what is the maximum amount you can take.
Best wishes,
waxingmoon
Henri
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WaxingMoon - A BIG THANKS
October 10 2007, 10:05 PM
HAHA!!! That was so funny. Do you know I never actually considered applying more this afternoon, I was actually referring to tomorrow!!! Wow I am blonde (no offense to blondes here!!!)
DR. said just 1/4 tsp a day, so maybe I will try splitting it, half in the morning and half at the afternoonish.
I was just worried there, things were going great I was feeling really good, and then BAM!!! Stress and it feeling like the PC isn't work. Its probably all just the stress though. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't doing anything wrong
Oh by the way (she says in a whisper) my nips are staring to itch really bad, so now I am holding my boobs and scratching at the same time - I must look a site!!! LOL
I'll give it more time - alot more time, and I'll try to stop worrying about so much!!
The bottle is away and I promise I won't touch it, look at it, or drool over it until Tomorrow!!!
HDChick
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Question Regarding Progesterone Cream
October 24 2007, 6:45 PM
Good Day Ladies!
This is an Awesome Post.
Exactly what I was searching for as I am on Day 5 Of Pro Cream
and things are going great- more energy- once I get to sleep, it is
very soundly and waking up late but rested- few headaches here and there
and Today My Boobs Hurt
By the looks of what I read - I am normal
Thanks to all NBE Poster's -
Big Hugs with Boobs!
The HD Chick
Christine
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Are Progesterone Cream safe?
October 28 2007, 3:33 AM
Hi. I was planning on buying progesterone cream and whilst searching online for sellers I came across this site:
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2007/10/hormonethrpy.shtm
It talks about mis-selling by online PC sellers and even gives the names of the brands that have been charged by the Federal Trade Commission.
Should we be concerned or is this not related to boobie growing at all?
I read further up that we shouldn't rub PC directly onto breasts, but didn't quite understand why. Can someone explain please?
Cheers xx
HDChick
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Question Regarding Progesterone Cream
November 1 2007, 12:36 PM
I am using Elation Therapy, USP 560 mg - Purchased on Ebay. I did a lot of research
also because of the law suits and come to realize that being a Natural product, it can NOT be absolutely proven as body's react differently. What I do care about is United States Pharmacopoeia (USP) is the official public standards-setting authority for all prescription and over-the-counter medicines, ...
This is my 2nd week of use. I know it is working for me. AS a matter-of-fact I have so much energy right now it's only 430 AM and I am fully rested! Usually- I am not up until 6 or 7.
I started 2 doses 3 days ago and believe I will cut that back. The first week was difficult with the head and body aches -incl Boobs. Boobie growth is going great for
me and I do have a Program posted.
on your Fat Cells Question-
http://superb-progesterone-cream.com/
( I wish we could read all posts when answering a question )
As beneficial as natural progesterone cream is, we must be aware that we are dealing with a very delicate system - the endocrine system. According to Dr. Joseph Mercola: "The problem relates to the fact that progesterone is highly fat soluble and once applied to the skin will store itself in a woman's fat tissue. When one first uses the cream, there is no problem here as the fat stores are very low. But as time goes on, the cream accumulates and contributes to disruptions in the adrenal hormones such as DHEA, cortisol, and testosterone. I have learned that although progesterone cream is an enormously useful tool, it needs to be used very cautiously."