[lyna372]

hello,

sorry in advance it’s not going to be a post with good vibes

so, a few months ago i hesitated to post because i still wanted to keep trying nbe…

in over 2 years i’ve spent many amounts of money in nbe herbal products.
i’ve tried everything advised on this forum.
i am 23 years old now, i always ate well and diverse food (i live in europe so i eat natural products, a lot of red and white meat, fish, salmons).
over the last two years i refined my food intake even more…
i started by taking fenugreek i bought near my place, it is the only thing that seemed to work even a little bit but i stopped because of the taste and my sweat’s smell.
i then added grounded flaxseed (and never missed a day), and pretty much all the things people take here : thyroid essentials, bovarian ovary, saw palmetto, berberine, maca, myo d chiro + inositol, colostrum, spearmint, vitamin C, hmb + vitamin D3, (i also tried pumpkin seed oil but stopped because of the almost non existent review and the proven « really light » effects of it), i also tried pituitary gland (for thyroid), and like 1-2 months ago started shatavari root, dong quai, bee polen and fenugreek again but in a pill form from iherb swanson (like everything in this list unless i stated otherwise or swanson doesn’t do it, i have bee polen from now foods).

i noticed no change, and there’s a really weird thing that happened with berberine, i remember it was my favorite thing to take, it tasted good, it also had a light yellow color, but on the last batch i received, the color is vibrant, like a yellow tint of something totally unnatural and it tastes totally different, like medicine, something disgustingly bitter, even medicine doesn’t taste so bad, it taste like chemicals.
and the fenugreek i ordered from iherb had no effect, not like the one i was buying near my place, i’m really thinking us foods and are just too altered to have real effects or are just fake things or chemicals (most iherb brands are non fda approved).

so, i feel like this whole nbe thing is just all fake, some advertisements for iherb and amazon products.
people that actually get growth are either starting the pill or naturally take weight in the breasts or have macromastia (or a lighter version but some women just grow their breasts their whole life).

i feel like i was lied too, no changes except i put on weight (in my belly, arms, legs, everywhere except my breasts, proportionately) i am also taking drospirenon + ethynestradiol for like 4 years now, that’s the only thing that grew my breast a bit.

now all the bad effects i had from supplements : 

• real fenugreek : bad sweat odor + but slight growth that reverted when i stopped
  
• bovine ovary (bo) : breast getting smaller, feeling less full, extremely lighter weight
  
• the rest (i suspect maca) : insane hair growth (i was already a bit hairy) on legs, private parts, around the nipples, belly, chin, cheeks 
  

thinking about it i never saw someone actually showing real signs of growth with herbal supplements and foods that are for sure not due to their natural body weight fat distribution.

when you think about it, a lot of people claiming to have grown their breasts never put on weight before, they just discovered their body natural take weight there.

also the whole « measurement » community is just full of bs, there’s this website called abrathatfits that at the very beginning of my journey was telling me i was already a E-F cup but i was flat flat, not even filling out some B cups from the store, shein and every single brands.
after i gained weight and grew a bit (i explain why in the next part) i was measuring a GG cup but still flat to the point you can’t see my breast bulge at all in a tshirt, which is extremely frustrating because it’s straight up lies, everyone i know has bigger breast than me, they would be K cups or more with those measurements but actually wear D cups.
all i want is to wear universal C-D cups from the store, shein etc.

so, the only thing that i think grew my breast for real (and it stayed that way but stopped growing) was subliminals, at first i listened to other people and then did mine so they can be personalized and it worked so well for one month, my body odor (especially breast and armpits) changed and smelled like milk, i took a cup or more for sure without putting on weight like with supplements, my areola doubled in size and flattened and my nipples were extremely sensitive…
my boyfriend noticed and was obsessed with touching them, telling me i have milk in it, and it really felt like it, they were full and hurting 24/7.
but after listening everyday i think my brain got used to it and i stopped feeling growth pain until there were no measurable change anymore (i still kept going to be sure but even when i started again i felt like 1/5 of the effects), ofc i didn’t use any supplements back then, i actually started after the subliminals stopped working.

and i’m not advising to listen to subliminals because i stopped the youtube ones because ideas were getting into my head (and it stopped everytime i stopped the listening to them, i wasn’t the only one and the strongest one were also mixed with witchcraft, which in the long run was harmful to me, and i had nothing against witchcraft prior, no fear, no christian fear mongering).

i’m really close to never try nbe herbal again and give up.
my flat and masculine chest is one of the many reasons i have no self confidence as a woman but since nbe might all be fake and the supplements slowly poisoning me, i don’t know if i have the strengths to continue.

i wish a man that is unhealthy obsessed with growing breast on a woman would have discovered the cheat code and use it on me for his fetish or something, because i saw there’s men that seems to enjoy that 
and want to put money into it, some even apparently had results with other people before, but i don’t think i trust nbe anymore so i don’t want to risk my health and lose my money.

if you’re that man please hmu, it’s really taking a toll on my mental health, i just want to look like a woman, and the gender thesis are not helping because hearing trans people saying a woman is supposed to have breast all the time and getting money from the gov for hormones or plastic surgery is making me feel so bad… 
when i was flat i even told my gynecologist and she said i should be happy to be flat…

[black eyed susan]

You can't really say that herbs don't work, because even some trans folllowing NBE have achieved results with herbs. They definitely work for some people.

You say you consulted a gynecologist, but I wonder if that person ever suggested a hormone test, to give you a better idea of what's stopping you growing?

[lyna372]

You can't really say that herbs don't work, because even some trans folllowing NBE have achieved results with herbs. They definitely work for some people.

You say you consulted a gynecologist, but I wonder if that person ever suggested a hormone test, to give you a better idea of what's stopping you growing?

it is really well known that breast growth is not really linked to hormones.
and i first learned that here on that forum, years ago.

like i already said, i am taking drospirenon and ethynestradiol already, there’s nothing more efficient to suppress androgens and add estrogens.

and it’s like you didn’t read my post fully because i’m taking every single herb that exist that lower androgens and supposedly raises estrogens.

i never was asked to have my hormones tested by my gynecologist because i guess she doesn’t think there’s anything wrong with me.

i had my ovaries looked at and apparently there was no problem.

where i live, in france, you can’t just ask to see a specialist for precise exams unless you suffer from a disease, unlike in the us, we are not really fond of cosmetic enhancements (unless you are trans for some reason) and breast growth and feminization of the body fall into that category, you don’t really need that to be healthy apparently… (even if it’s making you self conscious and unable to form any relationship with the opposite sex).

[lyna372]

You can't really say that herbs don't work, because even some trans folllowing NBE have achieved results with herbs. They definitely work for some people.

You say you consulted a gynecologist, but I wonder if that person ever suggested a hormone test, to give you a better idea of what's stopping you growing?

also, like i mentioned i had results with subliminals and some people say it’s linked with placebo effect.

i’ve seen hundreds of posts on reddit from people having the same non existent results as me, especially in trans forums.

a lot of people are already convinced that BO are salt pills.

my guess for trans people that grew a bit with herbal is : 1) most of them are actually taking HRT and it can takes years to deliver the full effects 2) a lot are seeing non existent results, i’ve seen dozens of pics on discord and reddit of trans claiming to have results when their whole body got fatter, or i see no results at all 3) they got slight results with placebo effect

if herbal are real, why is there only on that forum that long time users are claiming results ? why the whole internet says it’s impossible to grow breast unless with surgery ?

i’ll just say again, some people just gain breast fat, that is their natural way of getting fat and it’s always those people saying they achieved nbe, but until this day, i have never ever seen someone with no breast and an average body fat gaining weight only in breasts, nor someone with average body fat and no distribution in breasts loosing weight and then miraculously gaining in breast and not in their usual fat distribution.

[MadameBusty]

Wow this is so messed up, to make completely false claims that NBE isn't real just because you yourself had no results and went too far/overboard with supplements is simply ridiculous(no one needs 15+ supplements, you were simply over working your body hence you had no results and health issues) MANY people on here including myself have had huge results over the years with unedited picture evidence in our threads and even YouTube videos such as fertility queen who grew to a DD with BO. Herbs work, supplements work, massage works, NBE works, you simply went ridiculous with 15+ supplements that were all interfering with eachother and with no idea what you needed for your individual body and hormone profile(ie BO isn't meant to be usually taken with herbs) you did no massage with an NBE oil, no stimulation, no actual research clearly and no hormone panel clearly.
You can tell when it's a spam post because the bot user usually inserts a highlighted clickable linked word or link, many of us don't do that because we are real and doing actual NBE. But alas if you don't believe it and don't want to put in the actual work aka finding out what YOUR individual body needs/YOUR hormone profile rather than just looking at a bunch of others personal programs and throwing everything together, then no one can help you. But to simply write off the countless women's real life NBE results/experiences here is incredibly rude and ignorant.
Also humorous you mention Reddit a million times, the literal cesspool of misinformation on the internet especially the trans subreddits, from my experience, so that's hardly saying anything, I've grown over the years from a D/DD to a GG and then to a H and am still growing, nice try though, you are also on synthetic hormonal medication which can also interfere with NBE in many. You can leave now.

[honey badger]

Lyna, I'd be interested in what you think about people who have pictures to chart their growth. Do you think that all those people are hoaxing their pictures?

[lyna372]

Wow this is so messed up, to make completely false claims that NBE isn't real just because you yourself had no results and went too far/overboard with supplements is simply ridiculous(no one needs 15+ supplements, you were simply over working your body hence you had no results and health issues) MANY people on here including myself have had huge results over the years with unedited picture evidence in our threads and even YouTube videos such as fertility queen who grew to a DD with BO. Herbs work, supplements work, massage works, NBE works, you simply went ridiculous with 15+ supplements that were all interfering with eachother and with no idea what you needed for your individual body and hormone profile(ie BO isn't meant to be usually taken with herbs) you did no massage with an NBE oil, no stimulation, no actual research clearly and no hormone panel clearly.
You can tell when it's a spam post because the bot user usually inserts a highlighted clickable linked word or link, many of us don't do that because we are real and doing actual NBE. But alas if you don't believe it and don't want to put in the actual work aka finding out what YOUR individual body needs/YOUR hormone profile rather than just looking at a bunch of others personal programs and throwing everything together, then no one can help you. But to simply write off the countless women's real life NBE results/experiences here is incredibly rude and ignorant.
Also humorous you mention Reddit a million times, the literal cesspool of misinformation on the internet especially the trans subreddits, from my experience, so that's hardly saying anything, I've grown over the years from a D/DD to a GG and then to a H and am still growing, nice try though, you are also on synthetic hormonal medication which can also interfere with NBE in many. You can leave now.

wow why are you so (passive) agressive and mean ? is it hurting you that i’m guessing it’s not working how you think it is ?

first of all why are you saying so many lies ? i’m still going to reply to all of them

1)
“just because you yourself had no results” absolutely not ? 
you clearly did not read both of my posts but that’s okay i’m going to repeat : i saw dozens to hundreds of post wether it is here on or other forums saying they got no results as well, actually most people i saw never had any results, only long time (and i suppose creators, affiliates of breastnexus) had supposed results.
and why would science says it’s literally impossible to grow breasts with herbs ?
also, i forgot to talk about it but yeah i did massage for a while, it did stimulate my breasts for the time being but no growth, the time spent on it just didn’t worth it, but just like fenugreek it’s just swelling, not real growth.

2)
“nobody needs 15+ complements”
another proof you didn’t read anything since i literally said i didn’t take it all at once, it was across years and periods of time, also explain to me why all these complements i took where on a single post from this very forum ? i took 8-9 max every periods of time like i said and i did exactly as the latest herbal posts advised.
for vitamin D and C i was taking some from long beforehand.
and when you say “BO isn’t meant to be taken with herbs” then why is it on this forum that the most active and well known people advise to take “6 BO a day” with most of the supplements i mentioned.
now, don’t you think it’s a bit weird if i tried so many supplements that not even one of them made ANY improvements in breast growth, if it was too much (which is clearly not, or maybe you can tell that to ppl that advise on herbals here on BN) maybe it would have had at least a little effect on breast growth ? 

3) you said i didn’t do research but i actually did for 4 years by reading almost all the posts on breast nexus regarding herbals, and (what most on BN decides to ignore) on pubmed and various medical or science papers, and like i said most studies were inconclusive due to no results or variable results depending on natural body fat distribution in women.

4) you said i was “not healthy” lmao what ? 
you’re clearly making things up, i said i am healthy and the supplements clearly caused pcos symptoms (more body hair etc) it’s like i wrote 2 whole posts for nothing at that point…
maybe you’re referring to me taking a thyroid related supplements but i’m not taking a thyroid medication but a “preventive care of thyroid” named thyroid essentials by swanson that it is advised to take in prevention and not if you have thyroid issues, not like thyroid glandular.

5) i’m on no medication, i take the pill and that’s all, just like famous posters here that i followed the herbal programs for, nothing crazy

now, you’re trying to prove i’m wrong with…. your own experience and a few experiences from this forum only, calling me going on reddit and discord “misinformation on the internet” like BN is not part of the internet in itself… with way more reasons to promote herbs and breast growth paraphernalia than the hundreds people that told me or other places they were disappointed to have spent thousands on herbs that never did anything.

at least the results i’m quoting have no conflict of interest and come from various places as opposed to your results and few success stories from here.

me and all the people unsuccessful have no reasons to lie.

on the other hand, i don’t think you lie on your results the same way you edited or unwillingly lied on what i just said.
you just discovered, (like most women) that you put on weight in your breasts, which is a normal thing to happen.

thing is, NBE is appealing to people that simply struggle to grow breasts, as in “they already tried to put on weight and it went everywhere except in their breasts”, maybe you call that unhealthy ? but then if you’re an healthy female putting on weight in their breasts naturally, just like loads of people you waisted your time with NBE as you could have just ate more.

NBE is falsely saying that it can change your fat distribution when it cannot, that’s why you guys are so eager to talk about people’s health when they prove it has something to do with natural fat distribution.

all i had to say.

and no i won’t leave until i saw what people have to say about my really vastly shared experience.

[lyna372]

Lyna, I'd be interested in what you think about people who have pictures to chart their growth. Do you think that all those people are hoaxing their pictures?

and i’d be interested in what you think about me stating that women growing breast is just the common way for some (actually a lot of) women to put on weight.

i’ve never ever even suspected BN (or reddit) NBE users of editing pictures.

all i’m saying is, herbal NBE, is not affecting body weight distribution at all, causes impermanent swelling or (more uncommon) placebo effect at most.

so, recapitulating :

• a few people that claim having results are sometimes just seeing things, small part but i’ve saw dozens of pictures with no results except they saw results
  
• a few people having slight results because they firmly believe they will (how placebo works), i’ve seen people having results from subliminals (including myself) so we can’t just ignore it.
  
• a large quantity of people having successful results are due to weight gain in breasts itself due to having fat distribution in breasts and discovering it.
  

-> most of them were putting on weight for the first time, acknowledging the breast growth was due to NBE when just eating more would have caused the same thing to happen.

• a few women just having macromastia without noticing it because they weren’t on a calorie surplus ever (like the last phenomenon i’m talking about) and finally let their breasts develop in the way they would have if not restricted by a lower calorie intake that they should have.
  

unlike the first people that replied, i’m backing up my theory with mainly others experiences in mind, numerous successful and unsuccessful from BN, reddit, discord and people i’ve asked their experiences in DM.

[Charley Rose]

The only thing I would say is that it's entirely up to you what you choose to believe. You seem to have got your mind made up and therefore no one could show you any evidence that would make you see things differently.

[honey badger]

Women are lucky if they put weight on and it goes to the breasts and nowhere else.