[TNA]

Maybe spend some time researching what makes breast retain fat, hint prolactin but research as too much no good either. 

Suspected E dom - do you just use progesterone in luteal? Because some use it through whole cycle start small in follicular working up to suggested dose in luteal (not everyone agrees with using prog this way at all, so decide this yourself from your own research)

Maca - am really not sure about its role in nbe, bit low on evidence in general. Even studies say there not sure what/how it works. It is said to have no E values, but touted as adaption. Many use it for hrt suggesting it does something to hormones, same as ive heard it increase T but info is scares.

First off, welcome and I think it's great that you finally joined the site! Like you, I was lurking on here for a while, but having support it really helpful. No pun intended lol
Something I've learned throughout this journey is the significance of progesterone for breast growth. I believe I have estrogen dominance as well. Im definitely not a doctor, but the clots you are describing sounds like endometriosis, which is indicative of excess estrogen. I heard that PM isn't good for women with excess estrogen and that they generally do well with bovine ovary. I've also heard that growth can be temporary through herbal methods because they are just temporarily providing constituents that are needed by the body, rather than encouraging the glands to produce hormones on their own. So it's good that you aren't taking PM anymore. Im taking Maca as well and it seems to be helping. It's a hormone modulator; therefore, it should adjust any excess/deficient hormones within your body. I personally have not used fenugreek, so I can only say so much. I know excess testosterone and prolactin( fenugreek encourages prolactin) are associated with one another metabolic-wise. Progesterone also inhibits 5ar, which converts to dht aka the potent form of testosterone. Do you suspect that you have excess testosterone?

Wow great info, thanks tigerlily! You know what, I'm not sure if I have excess testosterone, but I figured Maca might boost it? I've heard that Maca can do that? 

I do have a large bag of spearmint tea, but never got around to putting them into small tea bags so perhaps I should start, just in case I do have excess testosterone.

Of course! Yeah, I heard that Maca boosts testosterone as well, but I think that applies to men. If a woman takes it, it is purported to balance out hormones that are ideal for females. I'm speculating that if it does indeed raise testosterone in a woman, it either means
she was low in testosterone prior to taking it or she has improper hormone conversion that favors testosterone. This is just a theory stemming from personal research. Like I said, I'm not a doctor lol To make matters even more complicated, one has to identify if Dht is hindering breast growth or if it's testosterone. If one lowers testosterone then Dht will automatically raise and vice versa. I almost feel like Dht is more of a problem for breast growth than testosterone. I take beta sitosterol, which is a strong dht blocker. Beta sitosterol is the main component of saw palmetto. Also, browsing any PCOS forums is really helpful, as they often discuss natural methods that encourage proper female hormone production. A good site is soulcysters.com.
Definitely try spearmint and see how it goes! Ironically, spearmint shrank my growth, which really sucked lol. Eveeyone is different and I've heard it works well for a lot of women. Never know til ya try.

And I'm done babbling! Lol

Hey, zinc also acts as a 5- alpha reductase inhibitor, blocking the creation of DHT. So for anyone not wishing to take progesterone, zinc has the same effect.
I also agree that we should be supporting our bodies to produce hormones rather than excessively taking in hormones because your body is a regulator and, through homeostasis, will adjust your own production levels relevant to your bodies current levels. In other words, if you ingest too much of a hormone, the body notices its high presence in the blood and tells your endocrine system so halt production since there is either enough or too much of the hormone in the body already. Overtime, this inactivity of the hormone secreting glands leads to them shriveling up and losing their ability to produce hormones ("if you don't use a muscle, you lose it") and eventually you become dependent on all these pills. 
So it is best to support production and eat foods that help the body rather than ingesting pre-made hormones. By all means experiment but be wary of long-term issues if you see little growth after 3 months.

Absolutely! I mean I quit taking BC years ago before I had my daughter, but if I do recall, my boobs shrank the min I went off it. I did my research and found out that the pills I took had more progestin than estrogen which probably explains why my periods were normal. After I stopped BC, I got pregnant and when I had my baby and waited for my period to come back, and that's when I started experiencing heavy flows and clots. So yes, I do agree that supporting our hormone production far exceeds filling our bodies up with more hormones. 

I think I read something about Fenugreek Increasing sensitivity, which is crucial for NBE as mentioned by surferjoe2007. I just don't know is I should be cycling it.

[Tiger_Lily13]

Im glad to help TNA!

NBE is initially complicated, but you'll definitely get the hang of it once you find what works for you. I really wish you luck with that! 
I take DIM when I start to break out. I had terrible acne during my early teen years, but it completely cleared up once I cleaned up my diet and switched to olive oil soap. The only time I ever really break out is when I increase my BO pills, which is when I'll take the occasional DIM. Maybe that could help with your current breakout?

Maca does increase fat storage in the butt. It kind of increased my overall curves as well, but my stomach has become more toned and flatter. Not sure how much it really contributed to breast growth, but it doesn't seem to be hurting either.

I forgot to mention to take zinc and vitamin B6 for healthy progesterone production. I heard the body cannot manufacture it without these key nutrients.

[Happyme]

Hi TNA, and welcome also.
I have found that BO and Maca, just added lots of fat to my butt. So be careful there.


Here is a good thread for Cycling your herbs etc

http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=28874

Bobbi

Hi Bobby

Been seeing lots of you around the forum for quite some time, thanks so much to reaching out! 

Tbh, I'm really considering BO but I'm terrified of it. I would t even mind if it added fat to my butt, but I dont know, it sounds very extreme to me. Then again NBE is extreme if you dont do it right.

Your welcome TNA, I try to do what I can.
I know the amount of info on this site is massive so I have grabbed a few of, what I think are the best, threads.
This one is on BO. Em had good luck with it and found taking the whole dose in the evening was the best approach.
With BO you must keep you body temp up, or its a total waste of time and money.
Give it a read and keep asking ques.
Bobbi

[RubyRose]

Hi all!

I've been silently lurking on this site for far too long and I never considered posting anything. Today that changes!!

So in the past I've tried purifica mirifica, flax seed oil and fenugreek. I was never consistent with it so I rarely saw any progress. I bought a noogleberry a few years back and was only committed to it for a few weeks - again, barely any results. This was during a phase where I was just willing to do anything without proper research. 

 I've come to the conclusion that I am probably estrogen dominant or just low progesterone. My periods were always heavy and had clots, along with some other symptoms that lead me to this conclusion. Right now I'm just taking Maca everyday and cycling fenugreek and progesterone cream. When I started with the Maca I felt tingles in my breast, didnt see much growth but the tingles were there. It wasn't when I started incorporating the progesterone cream that I started noticing a difference, BUT only from my ovulation till my period. My boobs would feel really sore and extremely heavy, but they looked awesome!!! The sad part for me would be when my period returned and the progress would disappear and the girls would just look ...  lifeless. I'm wondering if it's the fenugreek during my follicular phase that's disrupting my progress? I dont know. I know that it's normal for breasts to swell during a womans cycle but I've seen the best swelling ever the min I started PC. How can I retain this growth forever????? Am I doing something wrong?

Hello TNA

You can take HMB towards teh end of your luteal phase and before period to help retain breast growth. I can't find the thread now, but your loss is normal on the forums.
Do you take Maca during your period? that could be a reason for heavy periods. FSH/LH are important during days 1-5 and 5-ovulation is when E is dominant. 
T must convert to E or it will become Dht, and too much spearmint/maca can cause high T and Dht. so an aromatase would be good.

Can i know the brand of PC you use?

Best of luck!

[Happyme]

Hi TNA, and welcome also.
I have found that BO and Maca, just added lots of fat to my butt. So be careful there.


Here is a good thread for Cycling your herbs etc

http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=28874

Bobbi

Hi Bobby

Been seeing lots of you around the forum for quite some time, thanks so much to reaching out! 

Tbh, I'm really considering BO but I'm terrified of it. I would t even mind if it added fat to my butt, but I dont know, it sounds very extreme to me. Then again NBE is extreme if you dont do it right.

Your welcome TNA, I try to do what I can.
I know the amount of info on this site is massive so I have grabbed a few of, what I think are the best, threads.
This one is on BO. Em had good luck with it and found taking the whole dose in the evening was the best approach.
With BO you must keep you body temp up, or its a total waste of time and money.
Give it a read and keep asking ques.
Bobbi

Looks like I forgot the link
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=27368
Bobbi

[Tiger_Lily13]

Hi all!

I've been silently lurking on this site for far too long and I never considered posting anything. Today that changes!!

So in the past I've tried purifica mirifica, flax seed oil and fenugreek. I was never consistent with it so I rarely saw any progress. I bought a noogleberry a few years back and was only committed to it for a few weeks - again, barely any results. This was during a phase where I was just willing to do anything without proper research. 

 I've come to the conclusion that I am probably estrogen dominant or just low progesterone. My periods were always heavy and had clots, along with some other symptoms that lead me to this conclusion. Right now I'm just taking Maca everyday and cycling fenugreek and progesterone cream. When I started with the Maca I felt tingles in my breast, didnt see much growth but the tingles were there. It wasn't when I started incorporating the progesterone cream that I started noticing a difference, BUT only from my ovulation till my period. My boobs would feel really sore and extremely heavy, but they looked awesome!!! The sad part for me would be when my period returned and the progress would disappear and the girls would just look ...  lifeless. I'm wondering if it's the fenugreek during my follicular phase that's disrupting my progress? I dont know. I know that it's normal for breasts to swell during a womans cycle but I've seen the best swelling ever the min I started PC. How can I retain this growth forever????? Am I doing something wrong?

Hello TNA

You can take HMB towards teh end of your luteal phase and before period to help retain breast growth. I can't find the thread now, but your loss is normal on the forums.
Do you take Maca during your period? that could be a reason for heavy periods. FSH/LH are important during days 1-5 and 5-ovulation is when E is dominant. 
T must convert to E or it will become Dht, and too much spearmint/maca can cause high T and Dht. so an aromatase would be good.

Can i know the brand of PC you use?

Best of luck!

RubyRose,

Why would too much spearmint cause excess T and DHT? Is it because it lowers T, which allows for more production of DHT? I'm confused lol

[TNA]

Hi all!

I've been silently lurking on this site for far too long and I never considered posting anything. Today that changes!!

So in the past I've tried purifica mirifica, flax seed oil and fenugreek. I was never consistent with it so I rarely saw any progress. I bought a noogleberry a few years back and was only committed to it for a few weeks - again, barely any results. This was during a phase where I was just willing to do anything without proper research. 

 I've come to the conclusion that I am probably estrogen dominant or just low progesterone. My periods were always heavy and had clots, along with some other symptoms that lead me to this conclusion. Right now I'm just taking Maca everyday and cycling fenugreek and progesterone cream. When I started with the Maca I felt tingles in my breast, didnt see much growth but the tingles were there. It wasn't when I started incorporating the progesterone cream that I started noticing a difference, BUT only from my ovulation till my period. My boobs would feel really sore and extremely heavy, but they looked awesome!!! The sad part for me would be when my period returned and the progress would disappear and the girls would just look ...  lifeless. I'm wondering if it's the fenugreek during my follicular phase that's disrupting my progress? I dont know. I know that it's normal for breasts to swell during a womans cycle but I've seen the best swelling ever the min I started PC. How can I retain this growth forever????? Am I doing something wrong?

Hello TNA

You can take HMB towards teh end of your luteal phase and before period to help retain breast growth. I can't find the thread now, but your loss is normal on the forums.
Do you take Maca during your period? that could be a reason for heavy periods. FSH/LH are important during days 1-5 and 5-ovulation is when E is dominant. 
T must convert to E or it will become Dht, and too much spearmint/maca can cause high T and Dht. so an aromatase would be good.

Can i know the brand of PC you use?

Best of luck!

My periods were heavy when I wasn't taking maca. They were heavy the min I stopped taking BCP and long before I started my NBE journey. Also, I thought spearmint tea was an anti-adrogen? 

The PC that I'm using is Emerita.

[TNA]

Hi TNA, and welcome also.
I have found that BO and Maca, just added lots of fat to my butt. So be careful there.


Here is a good thread for Cycling your herbs etc

http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=28874

Bobbi

Hi Bobby

Been seeing lots of you around the forum for quite some time, thanks so much to reaching out! 

Tbh, I'm really considering BO but I'm terrified of it. I would t even mind if it added fat to my butt, but I dont know, it sounds very extreme to me. Then again NBE is extreme if you dont do it right.

Your welcome TNA, I try to do what I can.
I know the amount of info on this site is massive so I have grabbed a few of, what I think are the best, threads.
This one is on BO. Em had good luck with it and found taking the whole dose in the evening was the best approach.
With BO you must keep you body temp up, or its a total waste of time and money.
Give it a read and keep asking ques.
Bobbi

Looks like I forgot the link
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=27368
Bobbi

Thanks Bobbi!! Will definitely give it a read!

[RubyRose]

Hi all!

I've been silently lurking on this site for far too long and I never considered posting anything. Today that changes!!

So in the past I've tried purifica mirifica, flax seed oil and fenugreek. I was never consistent with it so I rarely saw any progress. I bought a noogleberry a few years back and was only committed to it for a few weeks - again, barely any results. This was during a phase where I was just willing to do anything without proper research. 

 I've come to the conclusion that I am probably estrogen dominant or just low progesterone. My periods were always heavy and had clots, along with some other symptoms that lead me to this conclusion. Right now I'm just taking Maca everyday and cycling fenugreek and progesterone cream. When I started with the Maca I felt tingles in my breast, didnt see much growth but the tingles were there. It wasn't when I started incorporating the progesterone cream that I started noticing a difference, BUT only from my ovulation till my period. My boobs would feel really sore and extremely heavy, but they looked awesome!!! The sad part for me would be when my period returned and the progress would disappear and the girls would just look ...  lifeless. I'm wondering if it's the fenugreek during my follicular phase that's disrupting my progress? I dont know. I know that it's normal for breasts to swell during a womans cycle but I've seen the best swelling ever the min I started PC. How can I retain this growth forever????? Am I doing something wrong?

Hello TNA

You can take HMB towards teh end of your luteal phase and before period to help retain breast growth. I can't find the thread now, but your loss is normal on the forums.
Do you take Maca during your period? that could be a reason for heavy periods. FSH/LH are important during days 1-5 and 5-ovulation is when E is dominant. 
T must convert to E or it will become Dht, and too much spearmint/maca can cause high T and Dht. so an aromatase would be good.

Can i know the brand of PC you use?

Best of luck!

RubyRose,

Why would too much spearmint cause excess T and DHT? Is it because it lowers T, which allows for more production of DHT? I'm confused lol

E without converting to Prg will cause E dom. prolong e dom can cause Hirsutism (high DHT); but with Prg it creates breast fat.
while spearmint does inhibit DHT, it doesnt decrease overall T levels so the T is still there waiting to be converted to either DHT or E or recirculate.
In my case of high andro, when i only regulated E with spearmint, nettle, maca without PC. i experienced symptoms of Edom/high DHT like high iritability and andro symptoms.
too much mint tea can cause liver failure as well.

Hi all!

I've been silently lurking on this site for far too long and I never considered posting anything. Today that changes!!

So in the past I've tried purifica mirifica, flax seed oil and fenugreek. I was never consistent with it so I rarely saw any progress. I bought a noogleberry a few years back and was only committed to it for a few weeks - again, barely any results. This was during a phase where I was just willing to do anything without proper research. 

 I've come to the conclusion that I am probably estrogen dominant or just low progesterone. My periods were always heavy and had clots, along with some other symptoms that lead me to this conclusion. Right now I'm just taking Maca everyday and cycling fenugreek and progesterone cream. When I started with the Maca I felt tingles in my breast, didnt see much growth but the tingles were there. It wasn't when I started incorporating the progesterone cream that I started noticing a difference, BUT only from my ovulation till my period. My boobs would feel really sore and extremely heavy, but they looked awesome!!! The sad part for me would be when my period returned and the progress would disappear and the girls would just look ...  lifeless. I'm wondering if it's the fenugreek during my follicular phase that's disrupting my progress? I dont know. I know that it's normal for breasts to swell during a womans cycle but I've seen the best swelling ever the min I started PC. How can I retain this growth forever????? Am I doing something wrong?

Hello TNA

You can take HMB towards teh end of your luteal phase and before period to help retain breast growth. I can't find the thread now, but your loss is normal on the forums.
Do you take Maca during your period? that could be a reason for heavy periods. FSH/LH are important during days 1-5 and 5-ovulation is when E is dominant. 
T must convert to E or it will become Dht, and too much spearmint/maca can cause high T and Dht. so an aromatase would be good.

Can i know the brand of PC you use?

Best of luck!

My periods were heavy when I wasn't taking maca. They were heavy the min I stopped taking BCP and long before I started my NBE journey. Also, I thought spearmint tea was an anti-adrogen? 

The PC that I'm using is Emerita.

heavy period could be linked to a lot of things like Thyroid issues, Endometriosis, Low Prog.  But the measure is How heavy your period is, how long it lasted, whats the color & was it clotty. lol. Usually though its a lack of progesterone. but here are some rss. that could shed light on your symptoms.

https://www.larabriden.com/how-to-treat-...gesterone/

https://www.larabriden.com/the-pill-is-b...rms-women/

Rue

[TNA]

Hi all!

I've been silently lurking on this site for far too long and I never considered posting anything. Today that changes!!

So in the past I've tried purifica mirifica, flax seed oil and fenugreek. I was never consistent with it so I rarely saw any progress. I bought a noogleberry a few years back and was only committed to it for a few weeks - again, barely any results. This was during a phase where I was just willing to do anything without proper research. 

 I've come to the conclusion that I am probably estrogen dominant or just low progesterone. My periods were always heavy and had clots, along with some other symptoms that lead me to this conclusion. Right now I'm just taking Maca everyday and cycling fenugreek and progesterone cream. When I started with the Maca I felt tingles in my breast, didnt see much growth but the tingles were there. It wasn't when I started incorporating the progesterone cream that I started noticing a difference, BUT only from my ovulation till my period. My boobs would feel really sore and extremely heavy, but they looked awesome!!! The sad part for me would be when my period returned and the progress would disappear and the girls would just look ...  lifeless. I'm wondering if it's the fenugreek during my follicular phase that's disrupting my progress? I dont know. I know that it's normal for breasts to swell during a womans cycle but I've seen the best swelling ever the min I started PC. How can I retain this growth forever????? Am I doing something wrong?

Hello TNA

You can take HMB towards teh end of your luteal phase and before period to help retain breast growth. I can't find the thread now, but your loss is normal on the forums.
Do you take Maca during your period? that could be a reason for heavy periods. FSH/LH are important during days 1-5 and 5-ovulation is when E is dominant. 
T must convert to E or it will become Dht, and too much spearmint/maca can cause high T and Dht. so an aromatase would be good.

Can i know the brand of PC you use?

Best of luck!

RubyRose,

Why would too much spearmint cause excess T and DHT? Is it because it lowers T, which allows for more production of DHT? I'm confused lol

E without converting to Prg will cause E dom. prolong e dom can cause Hirsutism (high DHT); but with Prg it creates breast fat.
while spearmint does inhibit DHT, it doesnt decrease overall T levels so the T is still there waiting to be converted to either DHT or E or recirculate.
In my case of high andro, when i only regulated E with spearmint, nettle, maca without PC. i experienced symptoms of Edom/high DHT like high iritability and andro symptoms.
too much mint tea can cause liver failure as well.

Hi all!

I've been silently lurking on this site for far too long and I never considered posting anything. Today that changes!!

So in the past I've tried purifica mirifica, flax seed oil and fenugreek. I was never consistent with it so I rarely saw any progress. I bought a noogleberry a few years back and was only committed to it for a few weeks - again, barely any results. This was during a phase where I was just willing to do anything without proper research. 

 I've come to the conclusion that I am probably estrogen dominant or just low progesterone. My periods were always heavy and had clots, along with some other symptoms that lead me to this conclusion. Right now I'm just taking Maca everyday and cycling fenugreek and progesterone cream. When I started with the Maca I felt tingles in my breast, didnt see much growth but the tingles were there. It wasn't when I started incorporating the progesterone cream that I started noticing a difference, BUT only from my ovulation till my period. My boobs would feel really sore and extremely heavy, but they looked awesome!!! The sad part for me would be when my period returned and the progress would disappear and the girls would just look ...  lifeless. I'm wondering if it's the fenugreek during my follicular phase that's disrupting my progress? I dont know. I know that it's normal for breasts to swell during a womans cycle but I've seen the best swelling ever the min I started PC. How can I retain this growth forever????? Am I doing something wrong?

Hello TNA

You can take HMB towards teh end of your luteal phase and before period to help retain breast growth. I can't find the thread now, but your loss is normal on the forums.
Do you take Maca during your period? that could be a reason for heavy periods. FSH/LH are important during days 1-5 and 5-ovulation is when E is dominant. 
T must convert to E or it will become Dht, and too much spearmint/maca can cause high T and Dht. so an aromatase would be good.

Can i know the brand of PC you use?

Best of luck!

My periods were heavy when I wasn't taking maca. They were heavy the min I stopped taking BCP and long before I started my NBE journey. Also, I thought spearmint tea was an anti-adrogen? 

The PC that I'm using is Emerita.

heavy period could be linked to a lot of things like Thyroid issues, Endometriosis, Low Prog.  But the measure is How heavy your period is, how long it lasted, whats the color & was it clotty. lol. Usually though its a lack of progesterone. but here are some rss. that could shed light on your symptoms.

https://www.larabriden.com/how-to-treat-...gesterone/

https://www.larabriden.com/the-pill-is-b...rms-women/

Rue

Wow RubyRose! Thanks for that! Now I need to rush to the store to get a pro-aromatase since my period just started! (Btw, i gotta mention that it's not heavy so far!) I've been looking into licorice root since I've read your response since it seems fitting for me. 

Also, forgive me for my noob status but what is HMB? 

So from what I can gather, I guess I gotta tweak this routine a bit...I'm thinking Maca all throughout this journey, fenugreek and licorice root from day 1 till ovulation, and PC till my period?