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#11

I took herbs-only for several years with no actual growth. It wasn't until I went full-force with herbs, massage, noogle and hypno that I started seeing real results. Some of us just don't react to herbs alone. At the very least, try to massage daily if you want to really grow.
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#12

(13-12-2013, 07:06 PM)Jenniferlove Wrote:  I took herbs-only for several years with no actual growth. It wasn't until I went full-force with herbs, massage, noogle and hypno that I started seeing real results. Some of us just don't react to herbs alone. At the very least, try to massage daily if you want to really grow.

Hi Jenniferlove! I've been doing chi 360 once daily but am unsure what further kinds of massage to use throughout the day and how frequently. I noogle as much as possible, but am still trying to asertain what works best. Some say to noogle every day but others reckon noogling on alternate days or just a few times a week is better because they think allowing some recovery time helps!
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#13

(13-12-2013, 08:07 PM)Maple Wrote:  
(13-12-2013, 07:06 PM)Jenniferlove Wrote:  I took herbs-only for several years with no actual growth. It wasn't until I went full-force with herbs, massage, noogle and hypno that I started seeing real results. Some of us just don't react to herbs alone. At the very least, try to massage daily if you want to really grow.

Hi Jenniferlove! I've been doing chi 360 once daily but am unsure what further kinds of massage to use throughout the day and how frequently. I noogle as much as possible, but am still trying to asertain what works best. Some say to noogle every day but others reckon noogling on alternate days or just a few times a week is better because they think allowing some recovery time helps!

You can check out my program, although the whole thread has gotten rather lengthy, but there is a lot of info on how I go about my routine in there. I have had insane growth. I started March this year as a full 34A and am now filling out a 34C. They have become so perky and full, it's crazy!

I recommend noogling and massaging as often as you can! I will noogle for maybe 10 minutes, holding the suction, then release and massage for about 5 minutes. Take a little break then do it again. I try to do this 2 hours a day maybe 5 days a week.

Diet is also really important, positive attitude, believing this will work, etc. Anyway, here is my thread: http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=16411
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#14

(13-12-2013, 09:37 PM)Jenniferlove Wrote:  
(13-12-2013, 08:07 PM)Maple Wrote:  
(13-12-2013, 07:06 PM)Jenniferlove Wrote:  I took herbs-only for several years with no actual growth. It wasn't until I went full-force with herbs, massage, noogle and hypno that I started seeing real results. Some of us just don't react to herbs alone. At the very least, try to massage daily if you want to really grow.

Hi Jenniferlove! I've been doing chi 360 once daily but am unsure what further kinds of massage to use throughout the day and how frequently. I noogle as much as possible, but am still trying to asertain what works best. Some say to noogle every day but others reckon noogling on alternate days or just a few times a week is better because they think allowing some recovery time helps!

You can check out my program, although the whole thread has gotten rather lengthy, but there is a lot of info on how I go about my routine in there. I have had insane growth. I started March this year as a full 34A and am now filling out a 34C. They have become so perky and full, it's crazy!

I recommend noogling and massaging as often as you can! I will noogle for maybe 10 minutes, holding the suction, then release and massage for about 5 minutes. Take a little break then do it again. I try to do this 2 hours a day maybe 5 days a week.

Diet is also really important, positive attitude, believing this will work, etc. Anyway, here is my thread: http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=16411

Wow, Jennifer, you're progress over such a short time is miraculous! I've often looked in on your thread, but read the entire length last night. Well done, you look fantastic! It sounds like your progress is duly deserved after years of diligence with herbs. It's interesting that you respond so well to massage after noogling. I've seen many people say that massaging after noogling causes the pumping swelling to go down quicker. I'll have to try it out, would be thrilled to get results like yours! I'm curious, what does black cohosh do? And the vitamins (that is in regard to NBE!)?

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#15

Does anyone know if flaxseed oil can be used for topical massage during luteal phase if following a follicular phase of taking PM? I'm using PM cream for massage throughout my entire cycle, but wonder whether I can mix it with FSO? Would the two phytoestrogens compete, even during luteal phase? Alternatively, perhaps it would be good to use FSO on its own? This thread has had me thinking about what I can introduce during luteal phase. Fenugreek is another consideration - is it OK to start taking it from about day 14 of a cycle?
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#16

(14-12-2013, 11:12 PM)Maple Wrote:  
(13-12-2013, 09:37 PM)Jenniferlove Wrote:  
(13-12-2013, 08:07 PM)Maple Wrote:  
(13-12-2013, 07:06 PM)Jenniferlove Wrote:  I took herbs-only for several years with no actual growth. It wasn't until I went full-force with herbs, massage, noogle and hypno that I started seeing real results. Some of us just don't react to herbs alone. At the very least, try to massage daily if you want to really grow.

Hi Jenniferlove! I've been doing chi 360 once daily but am unsure what further kinds of massage to use throughout the day and how frequently. I noogle as much as possible, but am still trying to asertain what works best. Some say to noogle every day but others reckon noogling on alternate days or just a few times a week is better because they think allowing some recovery time helps!

You can check out my program, although the whole thread has gotten rather lengthy, but there is a lot of info on how I go about my routine in there. I have had insane growth. I started March this year as a full 34A and am now filling out a 34C. They have become so perky and full, it's crazy!

I recommend noogling and massaging as often as you can! I will noogle for maybe 10 minutes, holding the suction, then release and massage for about 5 minutes. Take a little break then do it again. I try to do this 2 hours a day maybe 5 days a week.

Diet is also really important, positive attitude, believing this will work, etc. Anyway, here is my thread: http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=16411

Wow, Jennifer, you're progress over such a short time is miraculous! I've often looked in on your thread, but read the entire length last night. Well done, you look fantastic! It sounds like your progress is duly deserved after years of diligence with herbs. It's interesting that you respond so well to massage after noogling. I've seen many people say that massaging after noogling causes the pumping swelling to go down quicker. I'll have to try it out, would be thrilled to get results like yours! I'm curious, what does black cohosh do? And the vitamins (that is in regard to NBE!)?

I was taking black cohosh to lower T-levels. Oftentimes it is not more estrogen our body needs but less testosterone! I had some high test. symptoms so was working to lower it.

The multi-vitamin, iron & vit D I take to make sure I am getting everything my body needs. A happy body, happy growing!
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#17

I wonder if anyone knows if milled flax seed can be taken alongside PM, or will it cancel out its effects or compete like flax seed oil does? Has anyone tried it?

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#18

(19-12-2013, 09:40 PM)Maple Wrote:  I wonder if anyone knows if milled flax seed can be taken alongside PM, or will it cancel out its effects or compete like flax seed oil does? Has anyone tried it?

I took my flax opposite of pm. Make sure you mill your own. When you buy it milled it is already ruined.
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#19

(13-12-2013, 06:44 PM)Maple Wrote:  
(12-12-2013, 05:08 AM)Tinytots Wrote:  
(11-12-2013, 07:09 PM)Maple Wrote:  
(11-12-2013, 05:16 AM)Tinytots Wrote:  Have you had any swelling at all?? Did you get any aches, tingling in the first month?? The second month I had a lot of swelling, the most I've ever had but only retained 1 cm of growth. I also take fenugreek daily, and calcium when I am taking the capsules. This time around I started the cream the first day of my cycle and going to start pm capsules the day after ovulation and stop when my period starts. So I switched up my routine to take it in luteal phase which is when you actually grow. I barely get any tingling or aches anymore, just swelling now. I think I've heard give it 6 months. What brand are you taking. Maybe try a new one. Did you do a hormone /saliva test?

Hi Tinytots, thank you so much for your reply! Smile I do get a bit of swelling during luteal phase, but this disappears just after my period begins. During follicular phase, nothing. I didn't notice if I was getting the luteal swelling before starting NBE because I wasn't as aware of what to look out for back then. I did read somewhere that breast swelling before your period can indicate they're growing or building to growth, but the source that wrote this perhaps wasn't the most reliable! Do you happen to know if that is the case, or does everyone get swelling before their period anyway? What time/s of your cycle do you get swelling? I'm using the noogleberry which gives me some great post-pumping swelling for a limited duration until my breasts revert back to their normal size. I don't think I've ever felt any aches or tingles, apart from when I'm noogling (but I reckon the feeling is just my skin stretching). Occasionally I wonder if I'm feeling something at other times, but there's usually another explanation for the sensation, like being hot or the fabric of what I'm wearing making contact with my breast. What does aching feel like? Is it anything like the breast tenderness that occurs as part of PMS? On cycles 1 and 2, when I was taking 500mg and 1000mg respectively, the brand was PuerariaUK. For cycles 3 and 4 I've used Siriporn because I've seen some members here have experienced great results with it. I also took about 1800mg of fenugreek daily on cycles 1 and 2, but have since been on a break from it. I'm thinking of starting it again though. I really want to get a hormone panel done but I don't know how to go about it in the UK. I found (online) somewhere in my town that offers tests, but when I enquired about the price they quoted £250-300! I had no idea it cost as much! I wish I knew how or where I could get a test done cheaper! Do you think the calcium you're taking is helping with your PM?
I think some people can grow without swelling. I have never swelled at all in the past during my cycle. Last month was the first time. Why we swell I am not 100 percent sure of which hormone is doing this. But I do believe we want this to happen.
I don't know of a place in the uk for hormone testing. I used dr lees here in the us. I did estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone. Just the basics. Which showed my estrogen was bottomed out so I know I need pm.
A few things you must do to make pm more effective is, stay away from caffeine. You must take calcium, it will help the pm absorb better. I also apply pm oil infusion with massage, use a heating pad, then noogle if I have time. I also take fenugreek, multi b complex, vit e and drink fennel and bustea. Seriously I do get lazy but when I take my pm extract I do it all every day. Last month I took 1000 mg ainterol extract when I added fg, I got a ton of swelling. I did loose it when I started my cycle but kept 1 cm. I can tell they feel fuller when I massage. I think it's tiny bits of growth each month.
Have you ever done a cleanse? If your not responding then something is blocking your estrogen receptors. They are over loaded. I have heard flax seed can purge old estrogen while making new estrogen. Maybe start adding milled flax seed daily about 1 tablespoon.
I also take red clover, and drink soy milk during my off cycle.
But I believe you need to save up and get your hormones checked. It is really the best thing to do.

I didn't get any time to myself yesterday and am sorry not to reply sooner. Your advice is really valuable to me, I appreciate your help! You're right, I must prioritise getting a hormone panel done. I'm very health-conscious and always try to source the best quality, well-farmed supplements I can, instead of going for the cheaper inferior ones, but being a poor student it's been difficult to find enough funds for the tests. However, it's important to get to the bottom of what is going on so I will see to doing this now. I wonder if something could be out of balance which might also explain my lack of response to PM. Proir to starting NBE I'd already been experiencing a few odd symptoms like cystic acne and mild depression, which could suggest estrogen dominence. Ainterol seems to be the most discussed and rated brand on here, I'll consider giving them a try. You say you take the extract orally? Do you think it's more effective than capsules? Do you also recommend their atomizer spray for massage? That's very interesting about calcium. I've actually been on a dairy-free diet this past month to see if it helps my skin. I'd not had any results from PM prior to stopping dairy, but I imagine that altering my intake of calcium isn't helping matters! I'd heard that flaxseed oil taken internally can worsen/cause acne, do you think milled flax would be any different? So far I've only used progesterone cream to try to balance my hormones for NBE. I often read about people doing cleanses. It sounds essential, but don't know what it involves? Is it just milk thistle? Isn't that meant to be like using progesterone cream? What does the multi B complex do for NBE? Sorry to ask so many questions, there's still so much I have to learn!
It sounds like you're routine has good future potential if you've had 1cm growth, I'd be happy with that! I really hope your revised PM cycle works well for you!
Dairy can cause acne. Flaxseed oil did not cause me any problems at all. My case is very difficult. I'm in peri menopause. I basically have no estrogen at all so I don't feel like it's coming up at all with pm. Every month is a challenge finding out what works. A cleanse can give your body a fresh start.
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#20

(13-12-2013, 06:44 PM)Maple Wrote:  
(12-12-2013, 05:08 AM)Tinytots Wrote:  
(11-12-2013, 07:09 PM)Maple Wrote:  
(11-12-2013, 05:16 AM)Tinytots Wrote:  Have you had any swelling at all?? Did you get any aches, tingling in the first month?? The second month I had a lot of swelling, the most I've ever had but only retained 1 cm of growth. I also take fenugreek daily, and calcium when I am taking the capsules. This time around I started the cream the first day of my cycle and going to start pm capsules the day after ovulation and stop when my period starts. So I switched up my routine to take it in luteal phase which is when you actually grow. I barely get any tingling or aches anymore, just swelling now. I think I've heard give it 6 months. What brand are you taking. Maybe try a new one. Did you do a hormone /saliva test?

Hi Tinytots, thank you so much for your reply! Smile I do get a bit of swelling during luteal phase, but this disappears just after my period begins. During follicular phase, nothing. I didn't notice if I was getting the luteal swelling before starting NBE because I wasn't as aware of what to look out for back then. I did read somewhere that breast swelling before your period can indicate they're growing or building to growth, but the source that wrote this perhaps wasn't the most reliable! Do you happen to know if that is the case, or does everyone get swelling before their period anyway? What time/s of your cycle do you get swelling? I'm using the noogleberry which gives me some great post-pumping swelling for a limited duration until my breasts revert back to their normal size. I don't think I've ever felt any aches or tingles, apart from when I'm noogling (but I reckon the feeling is just my skin stretching). Occasionally I wonder if I'm feeling something at other times, but there's usually another explanation for the sensation, like being hot or the fabric of what I'm wearing making contact with my breast. What does aching feel like? Is it anything like the breast tenderness that occurs as part of PMS? On cycles 1 and 2, when I was taking 500mg and 1000mg respectively, the brand was PuerariaUK. For cycles 3 and 4 I've used Siriporn because I've seen some members here have experienced great results with it. I also took about 1800mg of fenugreek daily on cycles 1 and 2, but have since been on a break from it. I'm thinking of starting it again though. I really want to get a hormone panel done but I don't know how to go about it in the UK. I found (online) somewhere in my town that offers tests, but when I enquired about the price they quoted £250-300! I had no idea it cost as much! I wish I knew how or where I could get a test done cheaper! Do you think the calcium you're taking is helping with your PM?
I think some people can grow without swelling. I have never swelled at all in the past during my cycle. Last month was the first time. Why we swell I am not 100 percent sure of which hormone is doing this. But I do believe we want this to happen.
I don't know of a place in the uk for hormone testing. I used dr lees here in the us. I did estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone. Just the basics. Which showed my estrogen was bottomed out so I know I need pm.
A few things you must do to make pm more effective is, stay away from caffeine. You must take calcium, it will help the pm absorb better. I also apply pm oil infusion with massage, use a heating pad, then noogle if I have time. I also take fenugreek, multi b complex, vit e and drink fennel and bustea. Seriously I do get lazy but when I take my pm extract I do it all every day. Last month I took 1000 mg ainterol extract when I added fg, I got a ton of swelling. I did loose it when I started my cycle but kept 1 cm. I can tell they feel fuller when I massage. I think it's tiny bits of growth each month.
Have you ever done a cleanse? If your not responding then something is blocking your estrogen receptors. They are over loaded. I have heard flax seed can purge old estrogen while making new estrogen. Maybe start adding milled flax seed daily about 1 tablespoon.
I also take red clover, and drink soy milk during my off cycle.
But I believe you need to save up and get your hormones checked. It is really the best thing to do.

I didn't get any time to myself yesterday and am sorry not to reply sooner. Your advice is really valuable to me, I appreciate your help! You're right, I must prioritise getting a hormone panel done. I'm very health-conscious and always try to source the best quality, well-farmed supplements I can, instead of going for the cheaper inferior ones, but being a poor student it's been difficult to find enough funds for the tests. However, it's important to get to the bottom of what is going on so I will see to doing this now. I wonder if something could be out of balance which might also explain my lack of response to PM. Proir to starting NBE I'd already been experiencing a few odd symptoms like cystic acne and mild depression, which could suggest estrogen dominence. Ainterol seems to be the most discussed and rated brand on here, I'll consider giving them a try. You say you take the extract orally? Do you think it's more effective than capsules? Do you also recommend their atomizer spray for massage? That's very interesting about calcium. I've actually been on a dairy-free diet this past month to see if it helps my skin. I'd not had any results from PM prior to stopping dairy, but I imagine that altering my intake of calcium isn't helping matters! I'd heard that flaxseed oil taken internally can worsen/cause acne, do you think milled flax would be any different? So far I've only used progesterone cream to try to balance my hormones for NBE. I often read about people doing cleanses. It sounds essential, but don't know what it involves? Is it just milk thistle? Isn't that meant to be like using progesterone cream? What does the multi B complex do for NBE? Sorry to ask so many questions, there's still so much I have to learn!
It sounds like you're routine has good future potential if you've had 1cm growth, I'd be happy with that! I really hope your revised PM cycle works well for you!
Dairy can cause acne. Flaxseed oil did not cause me any problems at all. My case is very difficult. I'm in peri menopause. I basically have no estrogen at all so I don't feel like it's coming up at all with pm. Every month is a challenge finding out what works. A cleanse can give your body a fresh start.
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