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What might prevent PM from being effective?

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(20-12-2013, 05:11 AM)Tinytots Wrote:  
(13-12-2013, 06:44 PM)Maple Wrote:  
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(11-12-2013, 05:16 AM)Tinytots Wrote:  Have you had any swelling at all?? Did you get any aches, tingling in the first month?? The second month I had a lot of swelling, the most I've ever had but only retained 1 cm of growth. I also take fenugreek daily, and calcium when I am taking the capsules. This time around I started the cream the first day of my cycle and going to start pm capsules the day after ovulation and stop when my period starts. So I switched up my routine to take it in luteal phase which is when you actually grow. I barely get any tingling or aches anymore, just swelling now. I think I've heard give it 6 months. What brand are you taking. Maybe try a new one. Did you do a hormone /saliva test?

Hi Tinytots, thank you so much for your reply! Smile I do get a bit of swelling during luteal phase, but this disappears just after my period begins. During follicular phase, nothing. I didn't notice if I was getting the luteal swelling before starting NBE because I wasn't as aware of what to look out for back then. I did read somewhere that breast swelling before your period can indicate they're growing or building to growth, but the source that wrote this perhaps wasn't the most reliable! Do you happen to know if that is the case, or does everyone get swelling before their period anyway? What time/s of your cycle do you get swelling? I'm using the noogleberry which gives me some great post-pumping swelling for a limited duration until my breasts revert back to their normal size. I don't think I've ever felt any aches or tingles, apart from when I'm noogling (but I reckon the feeling is just my skin stretching). Occasionally I wonder if I'm feeling something at other times, but there's usually another explanation for the sensation, like being hot or the fabric of what I'm wearing making contact with my breast. What does aching feel like? Is it anything like the breast tenderness that occurs as part of PMS? On cycles 1 and 2, when I was taking 500mg and 1000mg respectively, the brand was PuerariaUK. For cycles 3 and 4 I've used Siriporn because I've seen some members here have experienced great results with it. I also took about 1800mg of fenugreek daily on cycles 1 and 2, but have since been on a break from it. I'm thinking of starting it again though. I really want to get a hormone panel done but I don't know how to go about it in the UK. I found (online) somewhere in my town that offers tests, but when I enquired about the price they quoted £250-300! I had no idea it cost as much! I wish I knew how or where I could get a test done cheaper! Do you think the calcium you're taking is helping with your PM?
I think some people can grow without swelling. I have never swelled at all in the past during my cycle. Last month was the first time. Why we swell I am not 100 percent sure of which hormone is doing this. But I do believe we want this to happen.
I don't know of a place in the uk for hormone testing. I used dr lees here in the us. I did estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone. Just the basics. Which showed my estrogen was bottomed out so I know I need pm.
A few things you must do to make pm more effective is, stay away from caffeine. You must take calcium, it will help the pm absorb better. I also apply pm oil infusion with massage, use a heating pad, then noogle if I have time. I also take fenugreek, multi b complex, vit e and drink fennel and bustea. Seriously I do get lazy but when I take my pm extract I do it all every day. Last month I took 1000 mg ainterol extract when I added fg, I got a ton of swelling. I did loose it when I started my cycle but kept 1 cm. I can tell they feel fuller when I massage. I think it's tiny bits of growth each month.
Have you ever done a cleanse? If your not responding then something is blocking your estrogen receptors. They are over loaded. I have heard flax seed can purge old estrogen while making new estrogen. Maybe start adding milled flax seed daily about 1 tablespoon.
I also take red clover, and drink soy milk during my off cycle.
But I believe you need to save up and get your hormones checked. It is really the best thing to do.

I didn't get any time to myself yesterday and am sorry not to reply sooner. Your advice is really valuable to me, I appreciate your help! You're right, I must prioritise getting a hormone panel done. I'm very health-conscious and always try to source the best quality, well-farmed supplements I can, instead of going for the cheaper inferior ones, but being a poor student it's been difficult to find enough funds for the tests. However, it's important to get to the bottom of what is going on so I will see to doing this now. I wonder if something could be out of balance which might also explain my lack of response to PM. Proir to starting NBE I'd already been experiencing a few odd symptoms like cystic acne and mild depression, which could suggest estrogen dominence. Ainterol seems to be the most discussed and rated brand on here, I'll consider giving them a try. You say you take the extract orally? Do you think it's more effective than capsules? Do you also recommend their atomizer spray for massage? That's very interesting about calcium. I've actually been on a dairy-free diet this past month to see if it helps my skin. I'd not had any results from PM prior to stopping dairy, but I imagine that altering my intake of calcium isn't helping matters! I'd heard that flaxseed oil taken internally can worsen/cause acne, do you think milled flax would be any different? So far I've only used progesterone cream to try to balance my hormones for NBE. I often read about people doing cleanses. It sounds essential, but don't know what it involves? Is it just milk thistle? Isn't that meant to be like using progesterone cream? What does the multi B complex do for NBE? Sorry to ask so many questions, there's still so much I have to learn!
It sounds like you're routine has good future potential if you've had 1cm growth, I'd be happy with that! I really hope your revised PM cycle works well for you!
Dairy can cause acne. Flaxseed oil did not cause me any problems at all. My case is very difficult. I'm in peri menopause. I basically have no estrogen at all so I don't feel like it's coming up at all with pm. Every month is a challenge finding out what works. A cleanse can give your body a fresh start.

Thanks for all your help, Tinytots! I've started taking a tablespoon of milled flax seeds every day and am going to keep this up for my entire cycle. Do you mean taking flax seeds when you refer to a cleanse, or another supplement like milk thistle? I hope your revised program is bringing you some results this month!
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My PM bottle says on it to not drink alcohol when taking PM because it will nullify the effects and it says not to eat a cheeseburger. Something gets lost in the translation, but I think that they are trying to say that if you are eating junk food and being unhealthy your body will spend it's time detoxing the junk food and not growing boobs. Boob growth might be something the body does better if it has nothing else to worry about. So be healthy and that should help. Drink plenty of water too.
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