[Lotus]

Thank you so much for the comprehensive information, lotus! Seriously appreciated,

You're quite welcome 

 I have always speculated that I have too much androgen, and as of late with the increased chin hairs and potential hair thinning at my crown I’m going to go with that route until I can see my doctor for a test again. I’m currently taking 1200 50% saponins of shatavari, around 800mg of raw maca (both once a day), and will take 600 mg of fenugreek- would you recommend fenugreek over saw palmetto? 

Saw Palmetto will help inhibit DHT, in comparison to other stronger anti-androgen SP inhibits DHT at 32% in male prostate glands. No, you'll need something much much stronger, that'll even improve acne, improve estrogen metabolism and inhibit DHT like in pharma class…I can recommend one after uncovering recent research and its been flying under the radar so to speak….it's called DIM. I'll be attaching the research here shortly. 

I bought both but have used neither. I do currently take MSM and vitaminD3, but the max I’m able of MSM is 1000 mg or I get a terrible headache that nothing can help with.

I believe the problem is the SP, more directly the beta-sisterol in saw palmetto, i had similar issues with headaches and stomach cramps, try dropping the SP and see if that helps. Have you seen my posts on MSM and HIIT?, let me know and I'll link them for you, it's a perfect fit for you and your weight lifting. 

The fenugreek study I posted used only 600mg to increase estradiol, I don't know why that amount is hard for some people to come to grips with, and the fact it's a human study (not a rat study). 

And of course if you can't use DIM certainly try green tea extract w/ EGCG (sourcing the highest percentage possible) 

Or reishi mushrooms 

Both inhibit DHEA/DHT in the 80-90% range