I have read that Progesterone is responsible for making the breasts round, but I also read that progesterone stops NBE growth. I am confused because there have been some ladies that grew on Progesterone cream alone and some grew on BO, and BO is progesterone based.
I, and a few others here on this forum, have wondered about this. I have read a few different posts here and there about the confusion of this, that is why I decided to start this thread.
My understanding, and it is a laymans view, is that you are just about right in your thinking.
Progesterone/prolactin is responsible for filling out the milk production system once the underlying glandular breast development is more or less complete, and again at the onset of pregnancy to prepare for lactation.
That's why it can appear to work on its own, because it is rounding out what is already there. The downside of that is that if there isn't anything there it can't be rounded out, so in that case it doesn't do anything.
Also, and I'm less certain about this, technically, but in principle once the rounding out starts, the body then assumes it has enough breast tissue because by definition since it now has prolactins, it must already have enough tissue because the prolactins come at the end of the development, so it stops building breast tissue. Which is why it kills NBE.
Somebody will probably be able to express all that better than me, but that's the nuts and bolts of it, I think.
Pansy Mae
As with any of this we are all guessing with our experiences. Years ago I became estrogen dominant. I found dr. Lee's book and began using progesterone. One of the things I had noticed with the estrogen dominance was that over time what had been perky firm A's had become loose and saggy. If I leaned over without a bra it was just loose skin and hung oddly and was not attractive. The progesterone cream firmed them back up supposedly by fluffing the cells back up that estrogen dominance is supposed to shrink at least that was my understanding from the book. Anyway once I was balanced out after about a year I then began to get rock hard breast that were painful along with other symptoms. It seemed I no longer needed to supplement so everytime I used it, it was giving me progesterone dominance symtoms. When I stopped using it I retained the fluff and firmness from my initial use but the hard painfull swelling went away within days.... my thoughts on the progesterone and growth is that it works only with what you have. Kind of like if you put a raisin into water and it rehydrates to it's original form. As for bo being progesterone based ....raw glandulars are just that as we all know. Ovaries produce estrogen and progesterone and there really isn't a way to provide a raw glandular of one or the other, so the bo is both estrogen and progesterone based, but in a world where women fear estrogen dominance it's in the companies interest to only say it's progesterone based. I know it's one of the things that drew me to it.
In my opinion it is the better choice for anyone concerned over estrogen load. I do think that it contributes to both which is better than only one but I also know that my progesterone was slightly higher by the end of my bo use in comparison to my estrogen levels. Was that due to the bo or to my body I can't really say. Like I said before we are just guessing at alot of this.
Mel
Ummm ?
I have heard of a few males who use progesterone and have increaseed aerola and nipple size, so with that thinking
would it be a good idea to use at where we would like growth to be stopped then use for nipple development ?
Julie
My question is along the same lines as Julie's-
If we get to where we want growth wise, could we use progesterone cream to round out the breasts and maybe make them fuller? I kind of have that "saggy emtpy" look when I bend over as well, even though I am getting great results with my (Wahaika's) program.
From my understanding and what I have read on the subject, progesterone can stop growth since it competes with estrogen. If you raise estrogen you lower progesterone and if you raise progesterone you lower estrogen, that may be why progesterone stops NBE growth, since it lowers estrogen levels.
The reason some women may have grown on Progesterone cream alone is because they are progesterone deficient.
It's good to take a test (blood test, saliva test) to check hormone levels and decide which NBE program will work for you. If you are progesterone deficient, than progesterone cream will work for you. If you are estrogen deficient than PM, or phytoestrogens will work for you. If you have androgen excess than Saw Palmetto and other herbs for lowering androgens will work for you.
What applies if a Genetic Male ?
Julie
My experience with progesterone is a good one.
I am taking Ainterol PM during my follicular phase, and I cycle it with Fennel, Fenugreek, Saw Palmetto, and Wild Yam in the luteal phase. Fennel raises progesterone, and I read somewhere yesterday from something Isabel posted that Fenugreek does to some extent, as well, although it does other things also.
I definitely notice slight growth when I am taking PM in the follicular phase. HOWEVER, last cycle, as well as this current cycle, I have noticed much more growth/tingling/other sensations during the luteal phase when I am raising my progesterone. It definitely rounds them out, but this is when I notice the most visible changes in my breasts.
SO, needless to say, I think everyone's experience is all relative to what their body is asking of them.
WOW!
Thanks for all the replies.
Very interesting.
I guess it all depends on the person.
I have taken the Dr.Lee hormone test online, and it showed that I have progesterone deficiency. Other things point that I have progesterone deficiency. For example, during my pregnancy, my breasts did not round out, they just became half a cup size bigger, but not at all round. Another example, about 2 years ago, I took herbs for NBE, my periods became way heavier, lasted 10 days, and my cramps were painful. I guess I became estrogen dominant, but I did not know it at that time.
Pansy Mae,
You actually made a lot of sense. You explained it very well.
Thank You.
Mel,
I guess that does make sense that BO is both estrogen and progesterone, because some have grew inches/cups with it, so if estrogen is responsible for making the brests grow outwards, BO has to have that. I read that you used BO, I know you grew, but did you personally see both, outwards growth and roundness?
Cheryl1989 was a born male, so she started out with pratically nothing, she used BO, and she grew pretty damn well on it.
GorgeousBlonde,
What you said makes sense too about progesterone lowering estrogen levels, therefore, stopping NBE growth. I am pretty sure I am progesterone deficient, but I will look into making an appointment with my doctor so I can get my hormones tested. But I really wouldn't be suprised if she tells me that I am progesterone deficient, it would be nice to have it confirmed, LOL!
NotSoBusty,
I think thats why Chiyomilk started cycling PM with Fenugreek and Fennel and had great growth and roundness. A lot of who are cycling PM with other herbs have had success as well. Like what Ginie said, it takes both estrogen and progesterone to grow breasts.
Very Interesting.....
Hi Melissa,
There is also an artifact because of the way we measure. I use the tape, and since nipples stick out on the milk ducts, I tend to see the effects of estrogens, building milk ducts, as growth. With pictures or a measuring bra, roundness will be more noticeable, and qualify as growth.