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5 questions from a Newbie. Please do me a favor !
May 4 2009 at 8:52 AM mrshuy (Login mrshuy)
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I have searched answer for these question via Site Search Engine. However it seems nobody some of theme are not clear to me.
(I'm not a native English so please forgive my wrong description)
So far i have these questions. Please help me:
1. How is Saliva test used? How can blood test help us to know if we are estrogen or progesterone dominance? I came to the doctor yesterday but he told me to go back the day after the last day of my manstruation. Moreover, in the hormone listed for testing in blood test, I can not find "estrogen". I just see progesterone and testerone.
2. If I am estrogen dominance. Should I drink soybean milk? and chicken feet soup??
This is as I know soybean is a quite strong phytoestrogen. And as I remember Waxingmoon said that those who are estrogen dominance should take low dose phytoestrogen herbs like lignen(do I spell it rite?)
3. Who else next to washingmoon are estrogen dominace and have success with NBE? so that a newcomer like me can read their programs as reference?
Btw, is Eve estrogen dominance or deficience?
4. Is that NBE follows the rule: if U want to get big boobs, try to add the type of hormone that you are lack of in order to balance ur hormone system??
5. Where could I buy herbs, progesterone cream at best price?? please help me with some websites in US, UK, Aus.
A lot of questions I know.
I will really appreciate all your help.
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Moon
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SENIOR MEMBER Re: 5 questions from a Newbie. Please do me a favor ! May 5 2009, 11:16 AM
1 - You could ask your doctor about which hormones he/she'll test and why. But the tested estrgen is probably called estradiol.
2 - If you're ED, CFS would def be ok, soy products however probably not, or possibly but only when your progesterone balance is being taken care of.
3 - Wahshingmoon lol lol!! I dunno about other ED success cases by name, but the programs pages is the sure place to find out. From what I know Eve was not ED.
4 - Sth along those lines, but more complex. A general optimal health and wellbeing must be achieved.
5 - PC is bought at your local pharmacy, and you'll find on-line stores with google. Vortexhealth&beauty sells some quality herbs and charges no shipping to anywhere.
mrshuy
(Login mrshuy) some for questions May 5 2009, 2:05 PM
Hi Moon, I really appreciate your help. Tkx again.
I still have a few more questions.
1. If I am ED, can I use Wonder Up ? or I should start with Vitex, Progesterone cream, borage oil to balance my hormone first?
How long should I use them (Vitex and Pro cream) to balance hormone?
2. Can I use Vitex and Progesterone cream at the same time with Wonder Up?
3. Have anyone here done blood test? I'm really confused if I can do it right tomorrow or have to wait until the day next to the last day of my period.
I have drunk homemade soy milk for 5 days. And for the last 3 days I found it quite hard to go to sleep. Maybe it's due to the soy milk or may be it's just my imagination.
btw, I'm very surprised that stHerb PM is sold in my country at very cheap price. 18$/Nano cream and 45$/bottle. However since in this forum it is rated lower than wonder up, I do not give it a try. Am I right that Pm is less effective than WU?
mrshuy
(Login mrshuy) Re: 5 questions from a Newbie. Please do me a favor ! May 5 2009, 2:26 PM
About myself:
Age: 22.
Sex: female.
No children.
Bra size: 32aa.
Weight: 115lbs.
Height: 5'4''.
6 months ago I used BCP for half a year (continuously). The brand is Diane 35. My breast is just a little bit fuller. However after I stopped, I lost it. May be it was water retention that makes my breast fuller.
I think I have a quite high adrogen because during puberty, I was suffered from a lot of acnes.
I have PMS so I think I am ED.
Waxingmoon said that Diane 35 reduces adrogen, increases estrogen and progesterone. which reduce acne and make skin smoother.
I wonder if Diane 35 increase estrogen and progesterone, it will enlarge breast at the same time. However, for me, it almost did nothing for my breast.
Moreover, as I mention above i used to have high androgen during puberty (lots of acne). So it is androgen which prevent my boob to grow. (according to Waxingmoon)
This bring me to the conclusion that: those herbs which increase estrogen and progesterone may do nothing for me.
I really donot want to believe this bitter fact. So I still wanna try.
Someone please tell me if I am wrong or not???
waxingmoon
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SENIOR MEMBER Re: 5 questions from a Newbie. Please do me a favor ! May 5 2009, 9:08 PM
Hi Mrshuy,
Moon answered your initial questions well, but I thought I would add some information as well.
1. If I am ED, can I use Wonder Up ? or I should start with Vitex, Progesterone cream, borage oil to balance my hormone first?
How long should I use them (Vitex and Pro cream) to balance hormone?
~~~If you are estrogen dominant then it would probably be wise to take care of this first. I would suggest getting your hormones checked to make sure this was the case before using either vitex or progesterone cream.
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2. Can I use Vitex and Progesterone cream at the same time with Wonder Up?
~~~You can use progesterone cream at the same time as wonder up, but vitex not only raises progesterone it lowers prolactin. Since wonder up has fenugreek in its formula, this would interfere with your results (galactogouges work by raising prolactin).
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3. Have anyone here done blood test? I'm really confused if I can do it right tomorrow or have to wait until the day next to the last day of my period.
~~~The reason they want to check your hormone levels on a certain day of your cycle is because hormone levels vary quite a lot during our cycle. They can account for differences, but there may be less accuracy if there is any uncertainty about what day of your cycle the test is done. Since women's cycles vary quite a bit, testing is usually done at a time when cycles might be the most alike - usually associated with the timing of the period. This us usually something like day 25 of the cycle (the start of your period - day 1 - is the start of bleeding). If you want the best accuracy then do the test when they say it should be done.
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"I have drunk homemade soy milk for 5 days. And for the last 3 days I found it quite hard to go to sleep. Maybe it's due to the soy milk or may be it's just my imagination."
~~~Soy milk has high levels of phytoestrogen. If you are estrogen dominant then the soy milk may very well be a problem for you. Many women with estrogen dominance have symptoms of low thyroid (hypothyroidism) and these symptoms will be increased with the use of soy (sleep problems is one such symptom).
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btw, I'm very surprised that stHerb PM is sold in my country at very cheap price. 18$/Nano cream and 45$/bottle. However since in this forum it is rated lower than wonder up, I do not give it a try. Am I right that Pm is less effective than WU?
~~~Until you know if you are estrogen dominant then stay away from PM. It is very estrogenic and could make your ED worse.
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"...Moreover, as I mention above i used to have high androgen during puberty (lots of acne). So it is androgen which prevent my boob to grow. (according to Waxingmoon)
This bring me to the conclusion that: those herbs which increase estrogen and progesterone may do nothing for me.
I really donot want to believe this bitter fact. So I still wanna try."
~~~Acne can signal two types of hormonal imbalance. One would be excess testosterone but the other would be excess estrogen. I think you may be right about being estrogen dominant which would explain most of your symptoms. Not having the right balance of progesterone could indeed have kept you from developing normally.
I think that getting a hormone test first is the best route - either the blood test or a saliva test of progesterone and estrodiol. If these show an imbalance then you would use either vitex of progesterone cream to correct them. If no imbalance is noted then I would recommend using wonder up. This would be likely to assist your body in growing - I know it has helped many women here.
Best wishes,
waxingmoon
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mrshuy
(Login mrshuy) Re: 5 questions from a Newbie. Please do me a favor ! May 6 2009, 6:16 AM
Hi Waxingmoon
Thanks for your help. You are so kind to answer all my questions.
So now i think the blood test is the golden key. Although tomorrow is the 20th day in my circle I will do the test. I can not wait as I have to decide to buy those pills next week.
Tomorrow after finishing the test I think I will have some more questions to ask people here.
I will do some researchs first to make sure my questions posting here is not aswered yet.
I tend to take the vitex and progesterone cream in 3 months before starting wonder Up.
In England, which kind of Natural Progesterone cream is popular??
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mrshuy
(Login mrshuy) Re: 5 questions from a Newbie. Please do me a favor ! May 6 2009, 6:42 PM
Hi waxingmoon, hope that you see this soon.
Again, my stats:
22 years old.
no kid
bra size: 32aa
I have PMS symptom
i'm on healthy diet.
1/i have a question about progesterone cream.
i have just read this, about how to apply progesterall cream: http://www.icnr.com/NaturalProgesterone/...erone.html
I want to ask you how many gr of progesterall cream should I use per day (from day 12-28 of period)?? How long should I use pro cream (how many months?)
In the link above, they suggest using 1/4 teaspon for whom is still menstruating.
So i dont know how long 1 tube will last?
1 progesterall cream tube is 2oz.
in your routine you posted that you use about 40mg/ day.
if so, this tube can last in about 8 months. is that true?
2/ can you give me advice on my future routine:
- For the first 2 months:
vitex (400mg) x 3 a day
progesterall cream x 40mg a day
fish oil capsule x 3 a day
Food: chicken feet soup (3 feet+ broth per day)
chi-massage with baby oil or cocoa butter + heating pad after
slight exercise: 40mins/day
- For the next 3 months:
Wonderup pill x 6 per day
Progesterall cream x 40mg per day
fish oil x 3
chicken feet soup
chi-massage, heating pad.
3/1 more question, which oil should be used for massage? i am considering EPO and cocoa butter.
I take fish oil capsule instead of flax seed oil. is that ok?
Thanks you in advance, Waxingmoon.
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waxingmoon
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SENIOR MEMBER Re: 5 questions from a Newbie. Please do me a favor ! May 6 2009, 7:08 PM
Hi Mrshuy,
For using progesterone I think you should use just 20 mg. I used more because I had very strong estrogen dominance symptoms and also I am 46 - closer to menopause so my body was producing much less progesterone than for someone younger.
Use the progesterone on thin skinned areas that have a good blood supply - such as the hands, wrists and forearms, behind the knees, the feet, front and back of the neck. Use one area each day and don't use it again in that area for at least 3 days. This allows you to absorb the progesterone directly into your blood stream instead of storing it in body fat.
My progesterone came in a 3 oz container and gave about 70 doses of 20 mg per dose. Your 2oz will not last 8 months. Expect to get about 23 doses per ounce at 20 mg per dose.
The rest of your plan looks good. You can massage with either the EPO, the cocoa butter or both. It is not so much the oil as much as the massage that creates the breast growth.
I think you have a good plan. If you have other questions just ask.
Best wishes,
waxingmoon
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mrshuy
(Login mrshuy) Re: 5 questions from a Newbie. Please do me a favor ! May 7 2009, 9:51 AM
Hi waxingmoon, thanks again.
everything goes easier with your help.
I really appreciate that.
The routine is all what I can afford at this moment. I wish to add more things like: SP, Wild Yam, flax seed, collagen plus C, EPO, WU cream...
Thanks for your complement about my schedule, Waxingmoon. That encourages me a lot.
Do people taking WU often use BCP at the same time?
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mrshuy
(Login mrshuy) Re: 5 questions from a Newbie. Please do me a favor ! May 7 2009, 11:17 AM
Hi Waxingmoon,
Again I have some more questions because I would like to do as much research as I can before I leap. Hope that you dont mind.
1/ About commercial pills vs. powder herb???
1 member here told me this morning that taking commercial pills (WU, herb capsules) are NOT as good as herb powder.
(for eg of sigle herb powder, http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/search/search.php?refine=y&keywords=Alfalfa&x=0&y=0)
She suggested me purchase seperate herb powders to mix up.
She said that other members use herb powder and see better result than who take commercial pills. The result also last longer.
- I would like to know your opinion (since this is not her experience, just what she draws from other members' results.)
- What about you, Waxingmoon? Do you take herb powder or commercial pills? where do you buy it?
- Is there much difference between cheap brand (commercial pills) like Puritan's Pride and expensive one like Nature's Way ??
Which brand(at reasonable price) do you suggest ?
2/ WU vs. seperated herbs (including pills and powder)
- If you were me, would you like to take WU or seperated herbs (including capsules and powder) ??
- Can you approximate percent of successful WU users?? (I read all the threads on WU but the answer is so vague. For some ppl the result is unbelievable, otherwise for some WU almost did nothing)
- Ppl in which situation and stats can take advantage of WU the most?
Purchasing these herb powder is much much cheaper than Wonder Up which I tend to use in future.
So this puzzles me quite a lot.
Tkank you in advance, Waxingmoon.
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mrshuy
(Login mrshuy) Re: 5 questions from a Newbie. Please do me a favor ! May 7 2009, 8:58 PM
Hi Waxingmoon, I would like to add 1 question,
I am considering seperated herbs first before switching to WU.
What do you think?
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waxingmoon
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SENIOR MEMBER Re: 5 questions from a Newbie. Please do me a favor ! May 11 2009, 11:23 PM
Hi Mrshuy,
The biggest difference between taking a manufactured pill like WU and making your own pills is cost and convenience. Some do better with the premade and some do better if they mix it themselves.
You do have more control if you make your own pills or take the herbs separately. I would suggest checking out Eve's program on the main page under Programs. She used an herbal NBE and had good results. Others have used her 'recipe' and had good results as well.
I am not able to use most herbs for my NBE because it creates hormone imbalances in me. I use a suction method called Noogleberry, as well as massage. I do use Fennel and EPO as well as I eat lots of protein and take vitamins. You can find the details on my program page.
I think a lot of people use Vortex Health to get their herbs. Some people like Greenbush. There is a difference sometimes in the cheap brands versus the more expensive ones. Sometimes cheap brands only say they have the herb in them when actually they don't. It is better to go with more recognized brands because they stand to lose more if found selling bad product.
It is hard to say what percentage of people using WonderUp have results. I do know that WU is one of the best commercial pills as far as results. This is due to the amount of herbs and the type of herbs they have in their product. Many women respond well to this herbal formula. Some do not. Unfortunately there is no way of knowing how much or if one woman will respond better than another without trying it.
I think for the cost of it - you might do better using your own herbal formula instead of buying WU. You could either use the same herbs in their formula or use a program like Eve's. Just post when you have the idea of what you are going to do and we will look it over for you.
You have done well by researching first and this will help you get results.
Best wishes,
waxingmoon
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mrshuy
(Login mrshuy) Re: 5 questions from a Newbie. Please do me a favor ! May 15 2009, 6:43 PM
thanks Waxingmoon,
your answer has encouraged me a lot.
I will use vitex first and then WU. i decide to take WU instead of seperate herbs because i m very lazy to mix those things.
I hope that WU will work for me.
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mrshuy
(Login mrshuy) Re: 5 questions from a Newbie. Please do me a favor ! May 16 2009, 6:18 PM
hi waxingmoon,
does Noogleberry cause sagginess?
I know if we use it continuosly our breast will look fuller as fluid and blood is pumped into 2 boobs.
however. once we stop using, those fluid and blood is gone but our breast is still stretched.
will this cause sagginess when we stop using Noogleberry?
Using it may be very uncovenient because in summer days I like to wear t-shirt. i dont want people to see 2 round marks of 2 cups.
am I rite to say so?
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waxingmoon
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SENIOR MEMBER Re: 5 questions from a Newbie. Please do me a favor ! May 17 2009, 6:46 PM
Hi Mrshuy,
The Noogleberry does not promote sagginess. Some women who use it have found that it helps to correct breast sag.
One of the nicest things about Noogleberry is how quickly it will cause a visible increase in breast size. Many women begin to notice sustainable swelling after only a month of use. If a woman does a treatment 2 times a day for 30 - 45 minutes a time, she will likely begin to retain her swelling throughout the day.
Everyone is different. Some women increase one or more cup sizes withing 6 months. Other women have slower results. The key is persistence and doing more than one session a day.
It does take a very, very long time before the swelling will produce any permanent change (the mechanism of growth is external tissue expansion and is well documented in scientific literature - basically if you keep an area enlarged for a long enough time the body will add in new tissue). It is theoretically possible for a woman to permanently increase her breast size about 1 cup with daily use for about a year and a half. Now that sounds like a long time - but consider that during this time she will likely have a sustainable breast size of 1 - 2 cups sizes greater. Many women who have achieved their desired size are able to sustain it with just 2 or 3 sessions per week. In other words - although they may have not created a permanent change, they are able to keep the size they created with very little effort.
Permanent growth will take a long, long time and will be rather modest - much like what Brava achieves in 12 weeks.
I have been on a long vacation from Noogleberry (more than 2 months) after doing it 2 times a day for about 6 months. I found that although I lost some size overall - there was a permanent change in the shape of my breast at the top - in other words I think I have sustained permanent growth of a small amount in the top of my breasts. I am now able to use the Noogleberry again daily and I look forward to the near immediate enhancement. It is not big deal for me to do this since I do it while sitting in front of the computer or TV.
I never noticed any prolonged marks from the cups. I don't even use padding and my marks are gone after a couple of hours. I always have been careful not to pump harshly, so I never experienced bruising or skin problems of any type. Many of the women on the Noogleberry forum have quite clever ways of padding the domes to reduce the discomfort and marks.
If you are considering this type of NBE then go to the Noogleberry forum first : http://www.noogleberry.com/forum/index.php
You can read about other women's accounts - and if you register you can look at the picture pages - very inspiring. By the way I make no money for promoting Noogleberry - I just like the product and I like their forum too. If you want to order then contact Lucy at Noogleberry first and she will make sure you order the right size.
Best wishes,
waxingmoon
May 4 2009 at 8:52 AM mrshuy (Login mrshuy)
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I have searched answer for these question via Site Search Engine. However it seems nobody some of theme are not clear to me.
(I'm not a native English so please forgive my wrong description)
So far i have these questions. Please help me:
1. How is Saliva test used? How can blood test help us to know if we are estrogen or progesterone dominance? I came to the doctor yesterday but he told me to go back the day after the last day of my manstruation. Moreover, in the hormone listed for testing in blood test, I can not find "estrogen". I just see progesterone and testerone.
2. If I am estrogen dominance. Should I drink soybean milk? and chicken feet soup??
This is as I know soybean is a quite strong phytoestrogen. And as I remember Waxingmoon said that those who are estrogen dominance should take low dose phytoestrogen herbs like lignen(do I spell it rite?)
3. Who else next to washingmoon are estrogen dominace and have success with NBE? so that a newcomer like me can read their programs as reference?
Btw, is Eve estrogen dominance or deficience?
4. Is that NBE follows the rule: if U want to get big boobs, try to add the type of hormone that you are lack of in order to balance ur hormone system??
5. Where could I buy herbs, progesterone cream at best price?? please help me with some websites in US, UK, Aus.
A lot of questions I know.
I will really appreciate all your help.
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Moon
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SENIOR MEMBER Re: 5 questions from a Newbie. Please do me a favor ! May 5 2009, 11:16 AM
1 - You could ask your doctor about which hormones he/she'll test and why. But the tested estrgen is probably called estradiol.
2 - If you're ED, CFS would def be ok, soy products however probably not, or possibly but only when your progesterone balance is being taken care of.
3 - Wahshingmoon lol lol!! I dunno about other ED success cases by name, but the programs pages is the sure place to find out. From what I know Eve was not ED.
4 - Sth along those lines, but more complex. A general optimal health and wellbeing must be achieved.
5 - PC is bought at your local pharmacy, and you'll find on-line stores with google. Vortexhealth&beauty sells some quality herbs and charges no shipping to anywhere.
mrshuy
(Login mrshuy) some for questions
May 5 2009, 2:05 PM Hi Moon, I really appreciate your help. Tkx again.
I still have a few more questions.
1. If I am ED, can I use Wonder Up ? or I should start with Vitex, Progesterone cream, borage oil to balance my hormone first?
How long should I use them (Vitex and Pro cream) to balance hormone?
2. Can I use Vitex and Progesterone cream at the same time with Wonder Up?
3. Have anyone here done blood test? I'm really confused if I can do it right tomorrow or have to wait until the day next to the last day of my period.
I have drunk homemade soy milk for 5 days. And for the last 3 days I found it quite hard to go to sleep. Maybe it's due to the soy milk or may be it's just my imagination.
btw, I'm very surprised that stHerb PM is sold in my country at very cheap price. 18$/Nano cream and 45$/bottle. However since in this forum it is rated lower than wonder up, I do not give it a try. Am I right that Pm is less effective than WU?
mrshuy
(Login mrshuy) Re: 5 questions from a Newbie. Please do me a favor ! May 5 2009, 2:26 PM
About myself:
Age: 22.
Sex: female.
No children.
Bra size: 32aa.
Weight: 115lbs.
Height: 5'4''.
6 months ago I used BCP for half a year (continuously). The brand is Diane 35. My breast is just a little bit fuller. However after I stopped, I lost it. May be it was water retention that makes my breast fuller.
I think I have a quite high adrogen because during puberty, I was suffered from a lot of acnes.
I have PMS so I think I am ED.
Waxingmoon said that Diane 35 reduces adrogen, increases estrogen and progesterone. which reduce acne and make skin smoother.
I wonder if Diane 35 increase estrogen and progesterone, it will enlarge breast at the same time. However, for me, it almost did nothing for my breast.
Moreover, as I mention above i used to have high androgen during puberty (lots of acne). So it is androgen which prevent my boob to grow. (according to Waxingmoon)
This bring me to the conclusion that: those herbs which increase estrogen and progesterone may do nothing for me.
I really donot want to believe this bitter fact. So I still wanna try.
Someone please tell me if I am wrong or not???
waxingmoon
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SENIOR MEMBER Re: 5 questions from a Newbie. Please do me a favor ! May 5 2009, 9:08 PM
Hi Mrshuy,
Moon answered your initial questions well, but I thought I would add some information as well.
1. If I am ED, can I use Wonder Up ? or I should start with Vitex, Progesterone cream, borage oil to balance my hormone first?
How long should I use them (Vitex and Pro cream) to balance hormone?
~~~If you are estrogen dominant then it would probably be wise to take care of this first. I would suggest getting your hormones checked to make sure this was the case before using either vitex or progesterone cream.
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2. Can I use Vitex and Progesterone cream at the same time with Wonder Up?
~~~You can use progesterone cream at the same time as wonder up, but vitex not only raises progesterone it lowers prolactin. Since wonder up has fenugreek in its formula, this would interfere with your results (galactogouges work by raising prolactin).
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3. Have anyone here done blood test? I'm really confused if I can do it right tomorrow or have to wait until the day next to the last day of my period.
~~~The reason they want to check your hormone levels on a certain day of your cycle is because hormone levels vary quite a lot during our cycle. They can account for differences, but there may be less accuracy if there is any uncertainty about what day of your cycle the test is done. Since women's cycles vary quite a bit, testing is usually done at a time when cycles might be the most alike - usually associated with the timing of the period. This us usually something like day 25 of the cycle (the start of your period - day 1 - is the start of bleeding). If you want the best accuracy then do the test when they say it should be done.
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"I have drunk homemade soy milk for 5 days. And for the last 3 days I found it quite hard to go to sleep. Maybe it's due to the soy milk or may be it's just my imagination."
~~~Soy milk has high levels of phytoestrogen. If you are estrogen dominant then the soy milk may very well be a problem for you. Many women with estrogen dominance have symptoms of low thyroid (hypothyroidism) and these symptoms will be increased with the use of soy (sleep problems is one such symptom).
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
btw, I'm very surprised that stHerb PM is sold in my country at very cheap price. 18$/Nano cream and 45$/bottle. However since in this forum it is rated lower than wonder up, I do not give it a try. Am I right that Pm is less effective than WU?
~~~Until you know if you are estrogen dominant then stay away from PM. It is very estrogenic and could make your ED worse.
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"...Moreover, as I mention above i used to have high androgen during puberty (lots of acne). So it is androgen which prevent my boob to grow. (according to Waxingmoon)
This bring me to the conclusion that: those herbs which increase estrogen and progesterone may do nothing for me.
I really donot want to believe this bitter fact. So I still wanna try."
~~~Acne can signal two types of hormonal imbalance. One would be excess testosterone but the other would be excess estrogen. I think you may be right about being estrogen dominant which would explain most of your symptoms. Not having the right balance of progesterone could indeed have kept you from developing normally.
I think that getting a hormone test first is the best route - either the blood test or a saliva test of progesterone and estrodiol. If these show an imbalance then you would use either vitex of progesterone cream to correct them. If no imbalance is noted then I would recommend using wonder up. This would be likely to assist your body in growing - I know it has helped many women here.
Best wishes,
waxingmoon
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mrshuy
(Login mrshuy) Re: 5 questions from a Newbie. Please do me a favor ! May 6 2009, 6:16 AM
Hi Waxingmoon
Thanks for your help. You are so kind to answer all my questions.
So now i think the blood test is the golden key. Although tomorrow is the 20th day in my circle I will do the test. I can not wait as I have to decide to buy those pills next week.
Tomorrow after finishing the test I think I will have some more questions to ask people here.
I will do some researchs first to make sure my questions posting here is not aswered yet.
I tend to take the vitex and progesterone cream in 3 months before starting wonder Up.
In England, which kind of Natural Progesterone cream is popular??
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mrshuy
(Login mrshuy) Re: 5 questions from a Newbie. Please do me a favor ! May 6 2009, 6:42 PM
Hi waxingmoon, hope that you see this soon.
Again, my stats:
22 years old.
no kid
bra size: 32aa
I have PMS symptom
i'm on healthy diet.
1/i have a question about progesterone cream.
i have just read this, about how to apply progesterall cream: http://www.icnr.com/NaturalProgesterone/...erone.html
I want to ask you how many gr of progesterall cream should I use per day (from day 12-28 of period)?? How long should I use pro cream (how many months?)
In the link above, they suggest using 1/4 teaspon for whom is still menstruating.
So i dont know how long 1 tube will last?
1 progesterall cream tube is 2oz.
in your routine you posted that you use about 40mg/ day.
if so, this tube can last in about 8 months. is that true?
2/ can you give me advice on my future routine:
- For the first 2 months:
vitex (400mg) x 3 a day
progesterall cream x 40mg a day
fish oil capsule x 3 a day
Food: chicken feet soup (3 feet+ broth per day)
chi-massage with baby oil or cocoa butter + heating pad after
slight exercise: 40mins/day
- For the next 3 months:
Wonderup pill x 6 per day
Progesterall cream x 40mg per day
fish oil x 3
chicken feet soup
chi-massage, heating pad.
3/1 more question, which oil should be used for massage? i am considering EPO and cocoa butter.
I take fish oil capsule instead of flax seed oil. is that ok?
Thanks you in advance, Waxingmoon.
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waxingmoon
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SENIOR MEMBER Re: 5 questions from a Newbie. Please do me a favor ! May 6 2009, 7:08 PM
Hi Mrshuy,
For using progesterone I think you should use just 20 mg. I used more because I had very strong estrogen dominance symptoms and also I am 46 - closer to menopause so my body was producing much less progesterone than for someone younger.
Use the progesterone on thin skinned areas that have a good blood supply - such as the hands, wrists and forearms, behind the knees, the feet, front and back of the neck. Use one area each day and don't use it again in that area for at least 3 days. This allows you to absorb the progesterone directly into your blood stream instead of storing it in body fat.
My progesterone came in a 3 oz container and gave about 70 doses of 20 mg per dose. Your 2oz will not last 8 months. Expect to get about 23 doses per ounce at 20 mg per dose.
The rest of your plan looks good. You can massage with either the EPO, the cocoa butter or both. It is not so much the oil as much as the massage that creates the breast growth.
I think you have a good plan. If you have other questions just ask.
Best wishes,
waxingmoon
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(Login mrshuy) Re: 5 questions from a Newbie. Please do me a favor ! May 7 2009, 9:51 AM
Hi waxingmoon, thanks again.
everything goes easier with your help.
I really appreciate that.
The routine is all what I can afford at this moment. I wish to add more things like: SP, Wild Yam, flax seed, collagen plus C, EPO, WU cream...
Thanks for your complement about my schedule, Waxingmoon. That encourages me a lot.
Do people taking WU often use BCP at the same time?
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(Login mrshuy) Re: 5 questions from a Newbie. Please do me a favor ! May 7 2009, 11:17 AM
Hi Waxingmoon,
Again I have some more questions because I would like to do as much research as I can before I leap. Hope that you dont mind.
1/ About commercial pills vs. powder herb???
1 member here told me this morning that taking commercial pills (WU, herb capsules) are NOT as good as herb powder.
(for eg of sigle herb powder, http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/search/search.php?refine=y&keywords=Alfalfa&x=0&y=0)
She suggested me purchase seperate herb powders to mix up.
She said that other members use herb powder and see better result than who take commercial pills. The result also last longer.
- I would like to know your opinion (since this is not her experience, just what she draws from other members' results.)
- What about you, Waxingmoon? Do you take herb powder or commercial pills? where do you buy it?
- Is there much difference between cheap brand (commercial pills) like Puritan's Pride and expensive one like Nature's Way ??
Which brand(at reasonable price) do you suggest ?
2/ WU vs. seperated herbs (including pills and powder)
- If you were me, would you like to take WU or seperated herbs (including capsules and powder) ??
- Can you approximate percent of successful WU users?? (I read all the threads on WU but the answer is so vague. For some ppl the result is unbelievable, otherwise for some WU almost did nothing)
- Ppl in which situation and stats can take advantage of WU the most?
Purchasing these herb powder is much much cheaper than Wonder Up which I tend to use in future.
So this puzzles me quite a lot.
Tkank you in advance, Waxingmoon.
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(Login mrshuy) Re: 5 questions from a Newbie. Please do me a favor ! May 7 2009, 8:58 PM
Hi Waxingmoon, I would like to add 1 question,
I am considering seperated herbs first before switching to WU.
What do you think?
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SENIOR MEMBER Re: 5 questions from a Newbie. Please do me a favor ! May 11 2009, 11:23 PM
Hi Mrshuy,
The biggest difference between taking a manufactured pill like WU and making your own pills is cost and convenience. Some do better with the premade and some do better if they mix it themselves.
You do have more control if you make your own pills or take the herbs separately. I would suggest checking out Eve's program on the main page under Programs. She used an herbal NBE and had good results. Others have used her 'recipe' and had good results as well.
I am not able to use most herbs for my NBE because it creates hormone imbalances in me. I use a suction method called Noogleberry, as well as massage. I do use Fennel and EPO as well as I eat lots of protein and take vitamins. You can find the details on my program page.
I think a lot of people use Vortex Health to get their herbs. Some people like Greenbush. There is a difference sometimes in the cheap brands versus the more expensive ones. Sometimes cheap brands only say they have the herb in them when actually they don't. It is better to go with more recognized brands because they stand to lose more if found selling bad product.
It is hard to say what percentage of people using WonderUp have results. I do know that WU is one of the best commercial pills as far as results. This is due to the amount of herbs and the type of herbs they have in their product. Many women respond well to this herbal formula. Some do not. Unfortunately there is no way of knowing how much or if one woman will respond better than another without trying it.
I think for the cost of it - you might do better using your own herbal formula instead of buying WU. You could either use the same herbs in their formula or use a program like Eve's. Just post when you have the idea of what you are going to do and we will look it over for you.
You have done well by researching first and this will help you get results.
Best wishes,
waxingmoon
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(Login mrshuy) Re: 5 questions from a Newbie. Please do me a favor ! May 15 2009, 6:43 PM
thanks Waxingmoon,
your answer has encouraged me a lot.
I will use vitex first and then WU. i decide to take WU instead of seperate herbs because i m very lazy to mix those things.
I hope that WU will work for me.
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(Login mrshuy) Re: 5 questions from a Newbie. Please do me a favor ! May 16 2009, 6:18 PM
hi waxingmoon,
does Noogleberry cause sagginess?
I know if we use it continuosly our breast will look fuller as fluid and blood is pumped into 2 boobs.
however. once we stop using, those fluid and blood is gone but our breast is still stretched.
will this cause sagginess when we stop using Noogleberry?
Using it may be very uncovenient because in summer days I like to wear t-shirt. i dont want people to see 2 round marks of 2 cups.
am I rite to say so?
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SENIOR MEMBER Re: 5 questions from a Newbie. Please do me a favor ! May 17 2009, 6:46 PM
Hi Mrshuy,
The Noogleberry does not promote sagginess. Some women who use it have found that it helps to correct breast sag.
One of the nicest things about Noogleberry is how quickly it will cause a visible increase in breast size. Many women begin to notice sustainable swelling after only a month of use. If a woman does a treatment 2 times a day for 30 - 45 minutes a time, she will likely begin to retain her swelling throughout the day.
Everyone is different. Some women increase one or more cup sizes withing 6 months. Other women have slower results. The key is persistence and doing more than one session a day.
It does take a very, very long time before the swelling will produce any permanent change (the mechanism of growth is external tissue expansion and is well documented in scientific literature - basically if you keep an area enlarged for a long enough time the body will add in new tissue). It is theoretically possible for a woman to permanently increase her breast size about 1 cup with daily use for about a year and a half. Now that sounds like a long time - but consider that during this time she will likely have a sustainable breast size of 1 - 2 cups sizes greater. Many women who have achieved their desired size are able to sustain it with just 2 or 3 sessions per week. In other words - although they may have not created a permanent change, they are able to keep the size they created with very little effort.
Permanent growth will take a long, long time and will be rather modest - much like what Brava achieves in 12 weeks.
I have been on a long vacation from Noogleberry (more than 2 months) after doing it 2 times a day for about 6 months. I found that although I lost some size overall - there was a permanent change in the shape of my breast at the top - in other words I think I have sustained permanent growth of a small amount in the top of my breasts. I am now able to use the Noogleberry again daily and I look forward to the near immediate enhancement. It is not big deal for me to do this since I do it while sitting in front of the computer or TV.
I never noticed any prolonged marks from the cups. I don't even use padding and my marks are gone after a couple of hours. I always have been careful not to pump harshly, so I never experienced bruising or skin problems of any type. Many of the women on the Noogleberry forum have quite clever ways of padding the domes to reduce the discomfort and marks.
If you are considering this type of NBE then go to the Noogleberry forum first : http://www.noogleberry.com/forum/index.php
You can read about other women's accounts - and if you register you can look at the picture pages - very inspiring. By the way I make no money for promoting Noogleberry - I just like the product and I like their forum too. If you want to order then contact Lucy at Noogleberry first and she will make sure you order the right size.
Best wishes,
waxingmoon