This is a long post...I'm sorry!
(29yrs, 5'5, 115 lbs, AA/A boobs, no kids)
I am seriously depressed about my tiny boobs and my bodies reaction to estrogens. I started NBE in March until mid April. I ramped up maybe too quickly going up to 2 575 mg Fenugreek and 2 575mg Fennel a day within a few weeks ...I felt like I had stalled. I skipped one day with out pills and my boobs felt super tingly. On the advice of Wahaika I lowered to 1 575 Fenugreek and 1 cup of Fennel tea and my boobs felt soooo tingly. I was getting married soon and I felt impatient and wanted bigger boobs faster so I decided to add in 1 575mg Wild Yam capsule to the equation. I noticed my boobs were getting less tingly every day..I only took the Wild Yam for 5 days and by the 6th day I felt like I was going to have a stroke. I developed green veins all over my body, especially my hands and feet and spider veins. Both sides of my family have circulatory problems...my veins were not prominent before but I had sluggish circulation at times. I had no idea estrogen made your veins weaken!
I was feeling better with my circulation after 4 months off of the pills and noticed that a lot of my spider veins were gone so I decided to try the NBE again...this time starting off super slow. I added 1 575mg Fenugreek and by the 3d day my circulation was TERRIBLE and i felt a strange, icy tingle all through my body...like when your foot falls asleep. Anyway, I stopped taking the pills right away. 3 weeks later I started a new birth control pill (Ortho-Lo) with Low estrogen and I only took it for ONE day and my circulation again is TERRIBLE...felt like i was going to have a stroke. I started getting a few more visible veins on my temples.
I've been doing the boob massages but I dont know how effective this will be without any hormones added in. My health is more important to me than having boobs. What the heck can I do?? Any advice please?? :-/
Hi Anna80, sorry to hear about your situation. Have you considered any other methods instead of herbs? Such as BO, noogleberry, heat, hypnotherapy etc? I'm by no means an expert but i've heard that herbs can cause all sorts of unwanted side effects for some people. I believe that flaxseed oil can work wonders for poor circulation. Have you tried that? If you're having problems with supplements then your best option is probably a noogleberry as you can use this without taking anything and still get great results. I've been noogling for a couple of months now and i've gained a lot of fullness. This month i'm hoping to start BO to hopefully speed up my progress. I hope this helps.
Hi Anna!
I was in a similar situation. I have endometriosis and too much estrogen. Taking anything NBE-related internally made me so sick! Breast massage without taking herbs or any other formula can still work. I massage for 5 minutes and then use noogleberry. If you decide to go this route, be sure to drink lots of water (it helps with the swelling and thus, growth) and be consistent. Check out the breast pump forum or the noogleberry website if you're interested.
Hang in there! You'll find something that works for you!
thanks for the replies!
I have looked into Bovine Ovary briefly, but it was my impression that it contained hormones??? My body can handle progesterone just fine, it's the estrogen that causes me problems.
I am kind of afraid to try noogleberry bc i read that it can cause indentations? Is the growth permanent with the pumps or just swelling??
I'm wondering if there are any supplements or non estrogenic herbs I could take that would help my boobs grow? I am taking gelatin, flax seed, borage oil, epo, vit b complex at the moment. i've read that msm can cause breast swelling BUT it goes down after you stop taking it.
What about a topical boob cream, like wild yam or Puerifica Muerica (forgot the name!)...or St Herb?? Are they estrogenic too?
You sound like your system is having overload of estrogen. Woman's body no matter how small their breasts are, have certain amount of estrogen in their body if your body rejects estrogen you will have far more complication than you are having now. Most likely you might be dead! What your body is facing is estrogen-dominance. Women with extreme estrogen-dominance can't do herbs because it comes with a lot of side effects what you are facing is one of them. Yes we were all being raised up with the concept that herbs is good but the truth is it works more complicated than that.
Okay here is my advice for you.
1)
Liver and gall bladder flush on your 1st day of menses
2) 10 days after the liver and gallbladder flush complete, take DIM-plus (everyday) it helps to metabolize away your bad estrogen, progesterone cream (mid to end of your menstrual cycle) helps to balance your estrogen and your other supplement. No taking anything NBE related!
3) Whatever you are taking for supplement you need to stop it when you are doing liver and gall bladder flush. Reduce all meat intake if you have high determination you can cut out meat from your diet and increase your vegetables and food intake. Drink plenty of water.
This method helps to detox your body of any residue comes from using NBE herbs. You need to reset your body to be as clean as possible before you start your NBE related. You can detox every 2 months with the liver and gallbladder flush. When your body don't feel so tired anymore during the detox then and only then you can start a new round of NBE.
I don't advice massaging with cream that contain NBE herbs in your case because you will make the situation becomes worst because the plant estrogen is going to be absorb into your body straight without being filter by the liver. You can massage with normal cream or other oils that is got no NBE herbs in it.
Good luck!
Thanks so much.....I really needed a step in the right direction. I definitely stopped ANYTHING NBE related until I get back to normal. My circulation has been really awful and seems to be getting worse so I decided to start on the liver/galbladder flush today. I already had my period one week ago, so I didn't want to wait until my next period to start. I hope that's ok. I also decided to do the liver/galbladder flush I did before when I began NBE in February bc it's only 4 days and I'm going away on vacation next week so I cant stay on the fast for the 10 days in your link. The one I'm doing is the one by Dr. Hulda Clark: Apple juice for 3 days with limited fruits and veggies and then the third day you do the olive oil/lemon juice flush with the epsom salt.
Are there any Dim-Plus or progesterone creams you recommend?? thank you for your help!!!
You can check out swansonvitamins.com. My DIM-plus is by Nature's Way while the progesterone cream is from Lifeflo.
If your 4 days of cleanse is not enough you can add additional of 6 days into it with milk thistle. Is just a suggestion. Just make sure you stop all the other supplements while you are on it.
Good luck!
I am done with the liver/gallbladder flush and I passed a lot of big, green stones! wow. the first time i did it before starting NBE i didn't feel so sick and i only passed some tan, TEENY gravel like stuff. My liver was definitely overloaded! I am going to do this again in 2 weeks, until I don't pass any more stones.
I ordered a bunch of supplements for my circulation and vein health.
I was looking into the progesterone cream but I'm afraid to take it bc I am only 29....seems like its kind of harsh stuff and some women seem to have bad reactions to it. ??
I got the Dim-Plus though bc it's natural. I was reading the substance in it is found in cabbage like veggies but you have to eat pounds of them to make a difference. I'm going to take the Dim-Plus now, but how long do you think I need to be on it??
Thanks for all your help!!!
The progesterone cream is actually extracted from wild yam and it is completely natural. There are 2 types of progesterone cream 1 is synthetic another is the natural one. Life-flo is the natural ones. You don't apply on everyday of your cycle merely 14 days throughout your cycle. Usually 14th to the 28th days.
You can take DIM-plus for long run shouldn't be a problem. It is good for estrogen-dominance lady like yourself.
About your detox. Don't do too near after your 1st detox. Another detox 2 weeks later is too fast. Give your body to rest and you can do it in another month. When you detox, your body work very hard to purge the toxin out. It will need rest. Let it rest recuperate and the only detox again. That is the correct way. Don't try and speed things up. Is not a house you are trying to clean is your body!
Swanson vitamins have an article on vein stuff...
"How to Avoid Varicose Veins
We all know them. Many of us try to hide them, but what if we could avoid them altogether? Varicose veins, according to WebMD.com, “are twisted, enlarged veins near the surface of the skin. They are most common in the legs and ankles. They usually aren't serious, but they can sometimes lead to other problems.” When the veins in your legs stop working properly, stop regulating the flow of blood back up toward your heart, the blood collects in your legs and the veins become enlarged and twisted and very noticeable. Unfortunately, as you get older you’re more prone to developing varicose veins, as are those people with a family history of varicose veins.
There are a few tricks and tactics that can help you avoid varicose veins:
* Get active! It is a recurring theme, but regular physical activity is the best way to keep your whole body in shape, including the veins in your legs.
* Avoid sitting or standing motionless for extended periods of time. Try to elevate your legs whenever possible and don’t sit with crossed legs for hours on end.
* You could also try wearing compression socks or stockings.
* From the world of natural health solutions, there’s Horse Chestnut. This herbal health supplement is actually prescribed in Europe for symptoms like varicose veins, leg pain and itching. The key nutrient in Horse Chestnut is escin, a compound that can help support normal blood vessel function."
I hope it helps..
P/S: Look into Ginkgo supplement too as it is known for encouraging blood circulation. Most vein can be too visible when blood circulation is bad!