01-07-2010, 03:14 AM
agh I regret even saying that I admired you,:s cos now I know I don´t, and I have the feeling that you didn´t even read all the posts, cos then you would know, the answer to your statements.
01-07-2010, 03:15 AM
*face palm* Okay it seems people still are not getting the point of this poll when I have already explained it, so let me try again.
The point is to illustrate how many actually are fine with males staying here, this includes you Wahaika! Yes, we are all entitled to our opinions, but saying that your opinions are fact, was not right.
I am not being prejudiced for saying that prejudiced people should leave, if they don't like it here, they should leave, that's how I feel. We should not have to change to suit them! Prejudiced is judging someone for the things I said earlier. Being prejudiced and me not agreeing with you does not make me prejudiced, that's just stupid, makes no logical sense. That's like a Nazi and a Jew arguing. The Jew calls the Nazi a prejudiced person, then the Nazi says, oh yea? Well you're prejudiced for calling me prejudiced. Doesn't make much sense does it? This isn't school where you say "oh yea, well I'm rubber and you're glue, whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you, neener neener!". Grow up!
My point of this whole thing is that I personally have no problem with anyone on this forum, female, male, transgender. All should stay in my eyes. But if you are against a group here and don't like it, leave. We are not holding you here against your will. That's my point.
The point is to illustrate how many actually are fine with males staying here, this includes you Wahaika! Yes, we are all entitled to our opinions, but saying that your opinions are fact, was not right.
I am not being prejudiced for saying that prejudiced people should leave, if they don't like it here, they should leave, that's how I feel. We should not have to change to suit them! Prejudiced is judging someone for the things I said earlier. Being prejudiced and me not agreeing with you does not make me prejudiced, that's just stupid, makes no logical sense. That's like a Nazi and a Jew arguing. The Jew calls the Nazi a prejudiced person, then the Nazi says, oh yea? Well you're prejudiced for calling me prejudiced. Doesn't make much sense does it? This isn't school where you say "oh yea, well I'm rubber and you're glue, whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you, neener neener!". Grow up!
My point of this whole thing is that I personally have no problem with anyone on this forum, female, male, transgender. All should stay in my eyes. But if you are against a group here and don't like it, leave. We are not holding you here against your will. That's my point.
01-07-2010, 05:43 AM
Hey Anastasia, you need to hit a little harder with that palm. Maybe some brass knuckles will help your lack of sense of humor. alright. Sense of humor turned off.
>>"Yes, we are all entitled to our opinions, but saying that your opinions are fact, was not right."
Perhaps you could provide an exact quote? Here is what I see:
>>"Simply put, men who want to grow breasts on themselves are suffering from an instability (be it a disorder or morally originated) which is agitated by moral relativism. Some things are a moral question and some are not. This is one that is. I see this as fact, not opinion."
Are you serious? I mean, really. Are you serious? I cannot believe that you are so narrow minded! I can't believe that you, of all people on this board, you want to silence someones opinion even if they see it as fact - which I do, by the way. I am absolutely amazed at your intolerance! And you are telling me to grow up? You need to toughen up, woman!
If you don't like my saying that I see something as fact, you can leave just as easily. Nobody is holding you here against your will, right?
Amazed yet again,
Wahaika
>>"Yes, we are all entitled to our opinions, but saying that your opinions are fact, was not right."
Perhaps you could provide an exact quote? Here is what I see:
>>"Simply put, men who want to grow breasts on themselves are suffering from an instability (be it a disorder or morally originated) which is agitated by moral relativism. Some things are a moral question and some are not. This is one that is. I see this as fact, not opinion."
Are you serious? I mean, really. Are you serious? I cannot believe that you are so narrow minded! I can't believe that you, of all people on this board, you want to silence someones opinion even if they see it as fact - which I do, by the way. I am absolutely amazed at your intolerance! And you are telling me to grow up? You need to toughen up, woman!
If you don't like my saying that I see something as fact, you can leave just as easily. Nobody is holding you here against your will, right?
Amazed yet again,
Wahaika
01-07-2010, 05:44 AM
Nessa,
I did read all the posts.
0 - 0 = 0
Wahaika
I did read all the posts.
0 - 0 = 0
Wahaika
01-07-2010, 05:59 AM
Andy,
Anastasia:"Well I say to heck with her! I say she's prejudiced, not contributing ANYTHING to this forum besides negativity. So I made a little wager, if the majority agrees with her then I will leave the forum as I do not want to be a part of a community that is prejudice and closed minded, but if the majority disagrees then I feel she should leave since she does not like it. "
If the majority agrees with Majestic (meaning all males should leave the forum) then Anastasia will leave.
OK Andy, think now....if a male answers Anastasia's poll, does it skew the poll results in favor of allowing the men to stay? Don't you see that this is a conflict of interest for male members to participate in the poll?
Anastasia - this is your poll. Did you intend for your poll to be answered by the male members on the board? (Don't worry, I won't be surprised if you did - it skews the results in your favor also.)
Not really amazed this time,
Wahaika
Anastasia:"Well I say to heck with her! I say she's prejudiced, not contributing ANYTHING to this forum besides negativity. So I made a little wager, if the majority agrees with her then I will leave the forum as I do not want to be a part of a community that is prejudice and closed minded, but if the majority disagrees then I feel she should leave since she does not like it. "
If the majority agrees with Majestic (meaning all males should leave the forum) then Anastasia will leave.
OK Andy, think now....if a male answers Anastasia's poll, does it skew the poll results in favor of allowing the men to stay? Don't you see that this is a conflict of interest for male members to participate in the poll?
Anastasia - this is your poll. Did you intend for your poll to be answered by the male members on the board? (Don't worry, I won't be surprised if you did - it skews the results in your favor also.)
Not really amazed this time,
Wahaika
01-07-2010, 06:52 AM
Either way, you know that many on this forum and other forums respected (past tense for most) you and saying your opinions to you are fact, will then in turn change their own minds. So why try to say your opinions to you are fact when you can not show ANY evidence that they are fact?
Toughen up? Oh you have no idea. I'm a very strong person, trust me I have not lost any sleep over this, but I know for a fact you have hurt the feelings of some others on this forum who I consider friends, and yes I will stand up for friends! If me standing up for what I believe in isn't tough, then what is? Like I said, if people don't like the TG's and crossdressers on the forum, they can always go to your forum, or if they want to go to an only women's forum, they can make one or find one.
And by the way, if Majestic took me up on my wager, I would only count the female votes, and only females that have been registered before this happened, not new accounts that she could be faking. But I do not mind that males, even ones not growing breasts like you, vote, cause then it shows also the majority. Sorry but males ARE a part of this forum, and they ARE part of the majority. But if it came down to it, we would only count female votes. But even so, the females that voted still out vote.
Toughen up? Oh you have no idea. I'm a very strong person, trust me I have not lost any sleep over this, but I know for a fact you have hurt the feelings of some others on this forum who I consider friends, and yes I will stand up for friends! If me standing up for what I believe in isn't tough, then what is? Like I said, if people don't like the TG's and crossdressers on the forum, they can always go to your forum, or if they want to go to an only women's forum, they can make one or find one.
And by the way, if Majestic took me up on my wager, I would only count the female votes, and only females that have been registered before this happened, not new accounts that she could be faking. But I do not mind that males, even ones not growing breasts like you, vote, cause then it shows also the majority. Sorry but males ARE a part of this forum, and they ARE part of the majority. But if it came down to it, we would only count female votes. But even so, the females that voted still out vote.
01-07-2010, 07:03 AM
Hey Wahaika, Why are you so attached to this subject? Are you upset with us or do you have strong views about the subject matter? I'm a little confused about your intent in this thread. Sorry everyone, I didn't mean to drag this topic out, but curiosity is getting the best of me. 
I'm not implying that I agree with him, but I think an explanation about his interest in this topic will help us understand where he is coming from. Honestly, I'm not sure if he is being sarcastic or he is really annoyed at our comments. I don't think we are wrong, but that is my opinion. My main concern was singling out people, but I guess I kinda did that too. IDK. I'm just confused at myself. Anyway, I don't want anyone to go or feel afraid to express their opinion. I just want everyone to feel safe and comfortable with who they are. 
I'm not implying that I agree with him, but I think an explanation about his interest in this topic will help us understand where he is coming from. Honestly, I'm not sure if he is being sarcastic or he is really annoyed at our comments. I don't think we are wrong, but that is my opinion. My main concern was singling out people, but I guess I kinda did that too. IDK. I'm just confused at myself. Anyway, I don't want anyone to go or feel afraid to express their opinion. I just want everyone to feel safe and comfortable with who they are. 01-07-2010, 09:24 AM
I personally would like to know who all these "males" are cos all i can find is woman and transgen folk, maybe Majestic needs to look up the meaning of Transgendered. I thought time had moved on a little from being labeled by what you have between your legs, besides correct me if im wrong, but i thought there was no such thing as a 100% female or male due to us all having x y chromosomes.
I was down cop shop last year and i was asked to describe what sex i feel i am, i replied 60% female and 40 male, yeah he looked a bit bemused, but thats just how i feel. I pose the question, why would a bona fide male who likes doing all the stereo typical male things......want boobs!!!
I was down cop shop last year and i was asked to describe what sex i feel i am, i replied 60% female and 40 male, yeah he looked a bit bemused, but thats just how i feel. I pose the question, why would a bona fide male who likes doing all the stereo typical male things......want boobs!!!
01-07-2010, 10:22 AM
Kerensa.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_chromosome
males have 1 X and 1 Y
females have 2 X's
so males are XY females are XX
So yes, there is a difference. This is how they can choose a childs gender now with insemination, they put the sperm cell into the egg that would make whichever gender. The female egg, as far as I remember is the one X chromosome, the male sperm that actually fertilizes the egg is either X for a girl or Y for a boy. When you get a hermaphrodite, it's cause of a faulty sperm where it is not completely one or the other. That's my understanding of it and from what I remember from a show I watched on Discovery. I didn't actually read the link I just posted, I remembered the XY and XX thing from school, just wanted to show ya some proof. And something that is a bit more in depth then what I would be.
males have 1 X and 1 Y
females have 2 X's
so males are XY females are XX
So yes, there is a difference. This is how they can choose a childs gender now with insemination, they put the sperm cell into the egg that would make whichever gender. The female egg, as far as I remember is the one X chromosome, the male sperm that actually fertilizes the egg is either X for a girl or Y for a boy. When you get a hermaphrodite, it's cause of a faulty sperm where it is not completely one or the other. That's my understanding of it and from what I remember from a show I watched on Discovery. I didn't actually read the link I just posted, I remembered the XY and XX thing from school, just wanted to show ya some proof. And something that is a bit more in depth then what I would be.
01-07-2010, 10:59 AM
Thanks Anastasia, i never was any good at Algebra lol, i think i must be xxy mind you im heavily into the world cup at the moment so better make that yyx, but only for the next week or so lol.
I just can remember looking round net one day trying to look for answers as to why the heck i am the way i am, when i found something trying to explain why girls can be a bit boyish at times and vice versa, it just mentioned that there was no such thing as being 100% either gender, probably a load of old tosh, but it made me feel better about myself.
I should like to mention that i like this website as being "confused" about ones gender can be a bit lonely at times, but being on here makes me realise i probably am not the only one.
I just can remember looking round net one day trying to look for answers as to why the heck i am the way i am, when i found something trying to explain why girls can be a bit boyish at times and vice versa, it just mentioned that there was no such thing as being 100% either gender, probably a load of old tosh, but it made me feel better about myself.
I should like to mention that i like this website as being "confused" about ones gender can be a bit lonely at times, but being on here makes me realise i probably am not the only one.