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Hi friends, 
I have an introductory post over here  https://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=32495&pid=214756#pid214756
Lots of details about my specific body, some unusual stuff that hopefully others can relate to. This is the program I am starting at the beginning of my next cycle. 

50% saponin fenugreek extract: 600mg increased to 1,800-2,400mg (Increased each cycle, allowing 2-4 cycles before the max amount)
Saw palmetto extract: 320mg.
Progesterone cream: Follicular, 1/8tsp. Luteal, 1/4tsp increased to 3/4-1tsp (Increased each cycle, allowing 2-4 cycles before the max amount).

It is based off of this template -- not because it's "the best" but because it was comprehensible to me and the potential effectiveness of it made sense: 

"Herbs: Increase each cycle, allowing 2-4 cycles before the max amount. If less growth is desired, stop the PM and PC at lower amounts.

50% saponin shatavari extract: 600mg increased to 1,800-2,400mg.
Saw palmetto extract: 320mg.
Pueraria mirifica: Follicular, 100mg increased to 750-1000mg. Luteal, 100mg
Progesterone cream: Follicular, 1/8tsp. Luteal, 1/4tsp increased to 3/4-1tsp."

Here's the kicker though: In my program, I'm not starting with any PM. I'm not sure that taking a strong phytoestrogen is right for me. I want to see what the effects of taking progesterone cream are first (and I understand that estro dominance symptoms can worsen when you first start taking PC). I am curious if increasing hormone sensitivity with fenugreek saponins, plus blocking DHT with saw palmetto, then increasing progesterone with PC, will be enough for some growth (with massage and continued attempts to gain weight, tho I am not underweight). From my research, that combination seems like it would allow the estrogen my body already produces to bind to the proper receptors (and grow my breasts as I continue to eat as much food as I can [which so far just keeps my weight stable with all the physical activity I do -- really trying here! In the past my breasts didn't change much when I was 10lbs heavier, or 10lbs lighter]).

I have some endometriosis symptoms, primarily debilitating menstrual cramps the first one or two days of my period and *very* heavily bleeding the first two or three days. Other symptoms are absent, and I have not gotten a diagnosis. However, I do not think it is wise to increase my estrogen, which is what builds the endometrium that sheds so painfully.

I tried to find information regarding PM and endometriosis, but came up pretty dry. The discussions of cancer seemed to be a lot of inconclusive head-scratching. The dosage in the template is very low -- maybe that would be fine? But since I already have bad issues with too much estrogen, I thought I would play it extra safe.

My other issue is PMDD, theoretically but not conclusively caused by low progesterone in the luteal phase. If taking PC helps with that (which anecdotally it does, but like with all these things also does the opposite), I would be thrilled, boobs be damned. 

I'm going to keep my ear to the ground and *maybe* add PM after 3 cycles. If anyone thinks I don't need to be so cautious, I wanna hear it! If anyone thinks another herb in place of PM would be more appropriate, I'm all ears for that too. Let's see how this baby rides, I'll keep you posted.

Current measurements:
Bust: 34"
Underbust: 30"
Waist: 29/30"
Hips: 37"
Weight: 131lbs

Being cautious at the beginning is the right approach I think. Some people take too much too soon and then have no idea what is actually working for them. After all, as you already know, you can easily add to your program as you go along.

Man, I keep coming across different info and then getting paralyzed. But I'm going to go for it. It's the first day of my period. Progesterone cream is still shipping, but it should get here around the start of my luteal phase. Today I am taking: 

50% saponin Fenugreek extract - 600mg
Saw Palmetto extract - 320mg
Raw Maca powder - 1 tsp
MSM - 1g 
Glucosamine/Chondroitin - 1500mg/1200mg
5-HTP - 400mg

I read so many good things about MSM, here and elsewhere, that I decided to get on that train. Apparently combining it with Glucosamine relieves joint aches for many. Most of what I read was from people suffering from arthritis and healing from knee surgery. I have painful overuse issues in my forearms and elbows; MSM + Glucosamine seemed like a wise addition. I had trouble searching for MSM-specific info on this forum because the search term is too short lol (4 letter minimum). Hopefully the dose listed on the tub I got is proper. 

I'm doubling my regular Maca dosage. I've been eating it on-and-off for years, but it used to be less than 1/4 teaspoon. Started taking 1/2 teaspoon regularly the past month with no noticeable effects besides libido (which is always high anyway). Last month and this first day of menstruating my cramps are WAY less bad, but it's hard to understand the causations there. I did take some ibuprofen this morning preemptively. MSM+glucosamine should theoretically help as well as they are anti-inflammatory.

The 5-HTP I've also been taking now for a month. It's supposed to help with serotonin production, and I do think it has been helping with my mood, particularly my ability to calm down and redirect my thoughts and perspective from negative spirals (big struggle of mine, always working on it). I gotta do more research on the link between serotonin and progesterone. I know they're related.

Body image is a big complicated thing for us all, but I've also noticed an improvement there in the past two months. Before then I was really in the pits, in a dead-convinced sort of way. Can't say what's happened but I'm feeling better. It's something I try to pay attention to because I believe it's linked to serotonin.

I also got a cat, in addition to me and my boyfriend's two dogs. I think it's helping everything, they all get along so cute.

I know this is an NBE forum but I've been interested in herbalism for years. I grew up with a lot of natural medicine and have a number of close friends who went to herbalism school and studied Chinese medicine. I think the overall way that we feel tells us a lot about what's going on in our bodies, so I'm trying to keep good notes here. 

Thanks for reading, let me know any thoughts!

(23-04-2024, 08:27 PM)Loretta Wrote: [ -> ]Man, I keep coming across different info and then getting paralyzed.

Yes there's so much to take in and there always seems to be something else to learn. If you're not careful you can get analysis paralysis, so eventually you have to just go for it, otherwise you will never find your solution.