Hi all, I’m just beginning my NBE journey and am feeling pretty overwhelmed. I got my hormones tested four days before my period started for unrelated reasons- I know it’s not the most ideal timing but I’m wondering if I could get some guidance on how they look. I’m willing to try herbal supplements, but hoping to focus on massage and food balance predominantly. My results are:
Prolactin: 16.9 ng/ml
Testosterone total: 22 ng/dl
LH: 3.1 mlU/ml
FSH: 3.4 mlU/ml
Estradiol: 57.8 pg/mL
I lift heavy weights and do a lot of squats, which is known to increase testosterone, so I’m looking to balance out, although I’m not entirely sure how to read my results. I do grow a few coarse chin hairs and nipple hairs, but maybe that’s just the Italian in me. I have just recently started lifting again and cleaning up my diet, which I’m aiming for high protein and low carb (working on growing the butt again too). I’m a pretty lacking 32B, 26f and looking to go as big as I can really.
Really inspired and excited by all the journeys shared here, any help is appreciated x
It’s hard to know much without progesterone. And what are the units on each of these? (such as ng/mL)
(04-11-2022, 03:46 AM)surferjoe2007 Wrote: [ -> ]It’s hard to know much without progesterone. And what are the units on each of these? (such as ng/mL)
I just update the units, sorry! Unfortunately she did not test my progesterone levels
I’ll try to go and get my blood done again soon.
(04-11-2022, 04:35 AM)surferjoe2007 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-11-2022, 04:07 AM)Palmdef Wrote: [ -> ] (04-11-2022, 03:46 AM)surferjoe2007 Wrote: [ -> ]It’s hard to know much without progesterone. And what are the units on each of these? (such as ng/mL)
I just update the units, sorry! Unfortunately she did not test my progesterone levels
I’ll try to go and get my blood done again soon.
Prolactin normal, maybe a little high
Testosterone low-normal. While that may mean less DHT (“bad” testosterone leading to acne and hair in unusual places) since DHT is made from T, that’s not always the case.
LH low-normal
FSH low-normal
Estradiol high-normal. But hard to tell since it’s late in the cycle. It’s about normal at a time when it’s supposed to be lower. Doing a test 3/4 of the way through the cycle when estrogen and progesterone have a peak would give a better idea.
High protein is bad for nbe though some is ok. But not really helpful since it’s super rare to have too little. It’s in every food group not just animal products and it all adds up. And many good nbe nutrients are in whole seeds and vegetables. Whole seeds are high carb, and very large amounts of seeds and/or vegetables are needed. So it may be hard to get enough from vegetables alone. For both, canned doesn’t count. But frozen is fine. Or better yet try the food list in my signature list to get a complete plan. If you plan on doing another hormone test then you may want to wait on any herbs in case they interfere with the results.
Thank you for your insights! I am sticking on having solid nutrition and incorporating your plan. I’m also taking Raw maca and 50% saponins. What’s the max amount of saponins I should have daily? The dose I have currently is 1200 and I’m not sure if I should do more, as your plan suggests ramping it up after a few weeks but I don’t know if 1200 is the max.
(29-11-2022, 09:20 PM)Palmdef Wrote: [ -> ] (04-11-2022, 04:35 AM)surferjoe2007 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-11-2022, 04:07 AM)Palmdef Wrote: [ -> ] (04-11-2022, 03:46 AM)surferjoe2007 Wrote: [ -> ]It’s hard to know much without progesterone. And what are the units on each of these? (such as ng/mL)
I just update the units, sorry! Unfortunately she did not test my progesterone levels
I’ll try to go and get my blood done again soon.
Prolactin normal, maybe a little high
Testosterone low-normal. While that may mean less DHT (“bad” testosterone leading to acne and hair in unusual places) since DHT is made from T, that’s not always the case.
LH low-normal
FSH low-normal
Estradiol high-normal. But hard to tell since it’s late in the cycle. It’s about normal at a time when it’s supposed to be lower. Doing a test 3/4 of the way through the cycle when estrogen and progesterone have a peak would give a better idea.
High protein is bad for nbe though some is ok. But not really helpful since it’s super rare to have too little. It’s in every food group not just animal products and it all adds up. And many good nbe nutrients are in whole seeds and vegetables. Whole seeds are high carb, and very large amounts of seeds and/or vegetables are needed. So it may be hard to get enough from vegetables alone. For both, canned doesn’t count. But frozen is fine. Or better yet try the food list in my signature list to get a complete plan. If you plan on doing another hormone test then you may want to wait on any herbs in case they interfere with the results.
Thank you for your insights! I am sticking on having solid nutrition and incorporating your plan. I’m also taking Raw maca and 50% saponins. What’s the max amount of saponins I should have daily? The dose I have currently is 1200 and I’m not sure if I should do more, as your plan suggests ramping it up after a few weeks but I don’t know if 1200 is the max.
“Saponins” is kind of like “essential oils” in that I hope you mean fenugreek or shatavari or else it could be something else entirely. 1200 mg is a safe low amount of either with 50% saponins. You can go up to 2400 mg if there aren’t any side effects. Maybe a little further such as 3,000-3,600 mg again if there aren’t side effects. Though it might not do much more. If you do good side effects then a few months on the foods may help before increasing again. Same for other herbs. If you have hypoglycemia then don’t use any amount of fenugreek or shatavari.
The amount is common in studies and various successful nbe programs. Human studies often but not always err towards the low end though. Rats are given more than double the above mg/kg extract in studies without any adverse effects (and beneficial effects). Men can use it for testosterone and I’ve used a little more for many years. Physicals come out normal. Including tests related to blood sugar and insulin. Hypoglycemics are more sensitive and shouldn’t use any at all, not even smaller amounts.
Around 10g or a tbsp. whole seeds per serving is a common Indian side dish. Not an extract obviously.
I do remember a forum user who kept using fenugreek for a long time even though she had hypoglycemia, trying to find ways to mitigate the low blood sugar. And then passed out from low blood sugar in spite of the efforts as her sensitivity to it worsened. Iirc she only used a few grams (whole herb not extract) even though 10-30g is commonly given to people in human studies.