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Progesterone food?
August 13 2008 at 3:31 AM Aggie (Login Aggie18)
Hi Guys,
I have a question about Progesterone.
Instead of eating pills etc, I've been drinking soy milk to boost my estrogen lvl.
I have grown half a cup size in several months...my bra fills out a lot better now but growth seems to have slowed down
that and my period was really really weird...almost didn't come and I did some research and found some girls who eat too much soy had their period completely stopped.
So i want to try out the Japanese enhancement thing and it was suggested to take Progesterone supplements in the second half of the cycle.
I was wondering if there are any foods that can do this!
I don't know of any and I couldn't seem to find any.
If you know of some it would be great.
THANKS
Aggie
waxingmoon
(Login waxingmoon)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Progesterone food?
August 13 2008, 4:07 AM
Hi Aggie,
There are not foods or herbs that are a plant version of progesterone. All the herbs that actually link to the progesterone receptors in fact act to reduce total body progesterone.
One herb - vitex - can stimulate the body's production of progesterone, but that is not like adding progesterone directly. Don't get me wrong - vitex is very useful, but I mean to say it works indirectly by stimulating the natural workings of the body.
Progesterone cream is synthesized from wild yam, but you can only get it through the lab processing. Wild Yam by itself is a mild phytoestrogen.
You can support hormone development in the body by making sure you have a diet high in protein and adequate supplies of vitamin C and essential fatty acids.
Hope this is some help,
waxingmoon
wanttobecurvey
(Login wanttobecurvey)
Re: Progesterone food?
August 13 2008, 4:18 AM
I believe I read that avacados reduce estrogen overload and are a progesterone food. Infact I just read for sure that eating just one a week can balance hormones.
waxingmoon
(Login waxingmoon)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Progesterone food?
August 13 2008, 2:10 PM
Hi Wanttobecurvey,
Do you have a link to that information about avocados? I have been searching and the only thing I have found is that some animal products (milk and butter) have a miniscule amount of progesterone. I have never run across any plant product that was identified as having progesterone that our bodies could use.
I am sure avocados could be beneficial in a general hormone way, but when I search for avocado/progesterone the only things I find have to do with avocado oil in progesterone creams. Any links to info you have would be very appreciated.
Thanks,
waxingmoon
Aggie
(Login Aggie18)
Re: Progesterone food?
August 14 2008, 5:40 AM
I was looking at the ingredients to 2 different creams
Sayge Natural Progesterone 187600
Menopause Solutions
Paraben Free
Scientifically Formulated - Each full press of the pump provides approximately 20 mg of natural Progesterone USP. This progesterone cream is formulated to contain 480 mg of progesterone per ounce.
Other Ingredients: Purified Water, Glycerin, Aloe Vera Gel, Shea Butter, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, sunflower seed oil, Stearic Acid, glyceryl monolaurate, Natural Progesterone USP, Sodium Citrate, Glyceryl Stearate, Stearyl Alcohol, Sodium Hyaluronate, Evening Primrose Oil, Sodium Bicarbonate, Allantoin, Potassium Sorbate, Lecithin, MSM (Methyl-Sulfony-Methane), Tocotrienol (Super Vitamin E), Burdock Root Extract, Grape Seed Extract
GNC Women's Progesterone Cream 362362
With chamomile, avocado oil and soothing Vitamin E.
Other Ingredients: Water, Propylene Glycol, Stearic Acid, Octyl Palmitate, Jojoba Oil, Ceteareth 20, Glyceryl Stearate, Almond Oil, Glycerin, Tocopheryl Acetate (Vitamin E), Licorice Root Extract, Burdock Root Extract, Avocado Oil, Carbomer, Panthenol (Vitamin B5), Aloe Vera, Propylene Glycol, Diazolidinyl Urea, Methyl paraben and Propylparaben, Chamomile Extract, Progesterone (5 mg per ounce), Dimethicone, Triethanolamine, Octyl Stearate, Dioctyl Adipate, Cetearyl Alcohol, PEG-100 Stearate
Is Evening Primrose progesterone?
I know it helps balance hormones but yeah
and like u said...one of them has avocado oil...not sure how it helps
Aggie
(Login Aggie18)
Re: Progesterone food?
August 15 2008, 1:15 PM
Licorice Root (Glycyrrhiza glabra)
Hormones
Low Adrenal Function / Adrenal Insufficiency
If cortisol levels are low, one of the ways to sustain more normal levels is to slow or inhibit its breakdown. This can be accomplished naturally.
The only known readily available inhibitors of the enzyme that deactivates cortisol (11 beta-HSD) are glycyrrhizic acid (found in licorice root extract), progesterone, and flavonoids (in grapefruit). The concept of extending cortisol bioactivity via 11 beta-HSD inhibition is well established, but the manner in which progesterone alters 11 beta-HSD is not currently clear. You could eat 10 to 15 grapefruits or take licorice root extract to sustain cortisol levels. However, licorice root used regularly in large doses can produce high blood pressure, water retention, potassium wasting, and breast enlargement in men. A Naturopathic Doctor should be able to guide you in using licorice root alone or in combination with other adrenal agents.
http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/treat/T11433.html
I hope licorice tea might do the same thing
waxingmoon
(Login waxingmoon)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Progesterone food?
August 15 2008, 3:15 PM
Hi Aggie,
Here is something I posted a while ago in the Information on Herbs link on the main page:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
"The six most potent common herbs to bind progesterone receptors were oregano (Origanum vulgare), verbena (Verbena species), turmeric, thyme, red clover, and damania (Turnera difussa).
Herbs with *anti-progesterone* activity were red clover, licorice, goldenseal, pennyroyal (Mentha pulegium), nutmeg (Myristica fragrans), and mandrake (Podophyllum peltatum).
**Most progesterone-binding herbs were not active or were anti-progestogenic in the body (such as pennyroyal). **
Wild yam (Dioscoria villosa) increased progesterone receptor binding in 20-30% of women, but appeared to suppress progesterone. Researchers concluded that diosgenin, the yam compound used to synthesize progesterone, did not convert to progesterone in the body.
In AHA Volume 15: Issue 2, 1999.
REFERENCE: Zava, DT, et al. 1998. Estrogen and progestin bioactivity of foods, herbs, and spices. Proceedings of the Society for Experimental Biology and Medicine 217(3):36.
------------------------------------------------
Licorice will not promote progesterone in the body. Although it binds with the progesterone receptor it is actually anti-progesteronic which means it will suppress progesterone.
The things I put ** around were to draw attention to them. This article confirms that most of the herbs that bind to progesterone receptors will actually lower progesterone in the body... which is too bad.
Now as far as the grapefruit, I will try to check it out and find out if it actually increases progesterone or suppresses it.
Thanks for providing the link. The world of herbs is a very complicated one, but if we all pitch in what we find I think we can come to some sort of unanimous truth about the NBE effect of herbs.
waxingmoon
Aggie
(Login Aggie18)
Re: Progesterone food?
August 16 2008, 1:18 AM
hum...so...let me get this straight
we don't want licorice to bind to the receptor as it's not really progesterone
we want something that will up the progesterone count to bind to the receptors?
gah
i just got some tea too
i can try it out a little
that and i don't know how it taste like...i might not like it and leave it in the office kitchen to be free for all lol
wanttobecurvey
(Login wanttobecurvey)
Re: Progesterone food?
August 16 2008, 4:13 PM
Moon,
I read about the avacados in a couple of women's magazines recently.
One was an article about reducing estrogen overload, because of the bloating and symtpoms and weight gain and unhealthiness of that overload. It listed avacados in that regard, I believe I still have the article I had cut it out-it was either from Women's World or First. (I am in the USA). I will see if I can dig it up and update my message next week-I am at my boyfriend's place this week-end and possibly week.
That is one question that always nags at me. Even before I ever tried NBE, my breasts would swell, some months quite a bit, about a week or two before my cycle-which I believe is when the progesterone level increases. So I always wonder, at least for my body, if trying to increase estrogren with soy etc might not be having the effect I need I am not sure. I keep track of what I do in my journals and try to look back on what seems to work.
Lately my plan has been soy milk, soy protein drinks (iso soy poweder) and avavados.
But in the light of this email trail it would almost seem that I am cancelling one out with the other......
Aggie
(Login Aggie18)
Re: Progesterone food?
August 22 2008, 5:53 AM
I think I realize something
Please correct me if I got this wrong
If someone is low in progesterone in the first place...even weak progesterone should increase the amount of progesterone in the body
However if you have good progesterone..then taking in weak ones into ur body risks lowering the amount u already have b/c u block the progesterone from getting into the receptor by using the weak one
This is the same for estrogen case.
http://www.drlam.com/a3r_brief_in_doc_fo...terone.cfm
Natural progesterone is obtained by extracting diosgenin from wild yams and then converting this component into natural progesterone in the laboratory. Natural progesterone is referred to as natural because it is the identical molecule to that which the human body manufactures. Such yam-derived natural progesterone should not be confused with "yam extracts" that are commonly sold in health food stores. Our body easily converts natural progesterone into the identical molecule made by the body. It cannot convert the "yam extracts" into progesterone. There is no evidence that such "wild yam extract" is converted into progesterone once it enters into the human body and unlike natural progesterone, no conclusive formal studies have ever been conducted that identifies any particular benefits from "wild yam extracts".
I have a question for girls that use progesterone cream...
where do u rub it?
apparently u're suupose to avoid fat areas
..and breast is fat
so... where do u put it >_<
Angela
(Login Angela)
Re: Progesterone food?
August 23 2008, 9:18 AM
It's been said several times that progesterone cream should be applied to thin-skinned areas, but I've also seen it argued that this is unnecessary and it can easily be used anywhere on the body.
August 13 2008 at 3:31 AM Aggie (Login Aggie18)
Hi Guys,
I have a question about Progesterone.
Instead of eating pills etc, I've been drinking soy milk to boost my estrogen lvl.
I have grown half a cup size in several months...my bra fills out a lot better now but growth seems to have slowed down
that and my period was really really weird...almost didn't come and I did some research and found some girls who eat too much soy had their period completely stopped.
So i want to try out the Japanese enhancement thing and it was suggested to take Progesterone supplements in the second half of the cycle.
I was wondering if there are any foods that can do this!
I don't know of any and I couldn't seem to find any.
If you know of some it would be great.
THANKS
Aggie
waxingmoon
(Login waxingmoon)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Progesterone food?
August 13 2008, 4:07 AM
Hi Aggie,
There are not foods or herbs that are a plant version of progesterone. All the herbs that actually link to the progesterone receptors in fact act to reduce total body progesterone.
One herb - vitex - can stimulate the body's production of progesterone, but that is not like adding progesterone directly. Don't get me wrong - vitex is very useful, but I mean to say it works indirectly by stimulating the natural workings of the body.
Progesterone cream is synthesized from wild yam, but you can only get it through the lab processing. Wild Yam by itself is a mild phytoestrogen.
You can support hormone development in the body by making sure you have a diet high in protein and adequate supplies of vitamin C and essential fatty acids.
Hope this is some help,
waxingmoon
wanttobecurvey
(Login wanttobecurvey)
Re: Progesterone food?
August 13 2008, 4:18 AM
I believe I read that avacados reduce estrogen overload and are a progesterone food. Infact I just read for sure that eating just one a week can balance hormones.
waxingmoon
(Login waxingmoon)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Progesterone food?
August 13 2008, 2:10 PM
Hi Wanttobecurvey,
Do you have a link to that information about avocados? I have been searching and the only thing I have found is that some animal products (milk and butter) have a miniscule amount of progesterone. I have never run across any plant product that was identified as having progesterone that our bodies could use.
I am sure avocados could be beneficial in a general hormone way, but when I search for avocado/progesterone the only things I find have to do with avocado oil in progesterone creams. Any links to info you have would be very appreciated.
Thanks,
waxingmoon
Aggie
(Login Aggie18)
Re: Progesterone food?
August 14 2008, 5:40 AM
I was looking at the ingredients to 2 different creams
Sayge Natural Progesterone 187600
Menopause Solutions
Paraben Free
Scientifically Formulated - Each full press of the pump provides approximately 20 mg of natural Progesterone USP. This progesterone cream is formulated to contain 480 mg of progesterone per ounce.
Other Ingredients: Purified Water, Glycerin, Aloe Vera Gel, Shea Butter, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, sunflower seed oil, Stearic Acid, glyceryl monolaurate, Natural Progesterone USP, Sodium Citrate, Glyceryl Stearate, Stearyl Alcohol, Sodium Hyaluronate, Evening Primrose Oil, Sodium Bicarbonate, Allantoin, Potassium Sorbate, Lecithin, MSM (Methyl-Sulfony-Methane), Tocotrienol (Super Vitamin E), Burdock Root Extract, Grape Seed Extract
GNC Women's Progesterone Cream 362362
With chamomile, avocado oil and soothing Vitamin E.
Other Ingredients: Water, Propylene Glycol, Stearic Acid, Octyl Palmitate, Jojoba Oil, Ceteareth 20, Glyceryl Stearate, Almond Oil, Glycerin, Tocopheryl Acetate (Vitamin E), Licorice Root Extract, Burdock Root Extract, Avocado Oil, Carbomer, Panthenol (Vitamin B5), Aloe Vera, Propylene Glycol, Diazolidinyl Urea, Methyl paraben and Propylparaben, Chamomile Extract, Progesterone (5 mg per ounce), Dimethicone, Triethanolamine, Octyl Stearate, Dioctyl Adipate, Cetearyl Alcohol, PEG-100 Stearate
Is Evening Primrose progesterone?
I know it helps balance hormones but yeah
and like u said...one of them has avocado oil...not sure how it helps
Aggie
(Login Aggie18)
Re: Progesterone food?
August 15 2008, 1:15 PM
Licorice Root (Glycyrrhiza glabra)
Hormones
Low Adrenal Function / Adrenal Insufficiency
If cortisol levels are low, one of the ways to sustain more normal levels is to slow or inhibit its breakdown. This can be accomplished naturally.
The only known readily available inhibitors of the enzyme that deactivates cortisol (11 beta-HSD) are glycyrrhizic acid (found in licorice root extract), progesterone, and flavonoids (in grapefruit). The concept of extending cortisol bioactivity via 11 beta-HSD inhibition is well established, but the manner in which progesterone alters 11 beta-HSD is not currently clear. You could eat 10 to 15 grapefruits or take licorice root extract to sustain cortisol levels. However, licorice root used regularly in large doses can produce high blood pressure, water retention, potassium wasting, and breast enlargement in men. A Naturopathic Doctor should be able to guide you in using licorice root alone or in combination with other adrenal agents.
http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/treat/T11433.html
I hope licorice tea might do the same thing
waxingmoon
(Login waxingmoon)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Progesterone food?
August 15 2008, 3:15 PM
Hi Aggie,
Here is something I posted a while ago in the Information on Herbs link on the main page:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
"The six most potent common herbs to bind progesterone receptors were oregano (Origanum vulgare), verbena (Verbena species), turmeric, thyme, red clover, and damania (Turnera difussa).
Herbs with *anti-progesterone* activity were red clover, licorice, goldenseal, pennyroyal (Mentha pulegium), nutmeg (Myristica fragrans), and mandrake (Podophyllum peltatum).
**Most progesterone-binding herbs were not active or were anti-progestogenic in the body (such as pennyroyal). **
Wild yam (Dioscoria villosa) increased progesterone receptor binding in 20-30% of women, but appeared to suppress progesterone. Researchers concluded that diosgenin, the yam compound used to synthesize progesterone, did not convert to progesterone in the body.
In AHA Volume 15: Issue 2, 1999.
REFERENCE: Zava, DT, et al. 1998. Estrogen and progestin bioactivity of foods, herbs, and spices. Proceedings of the Society for Experimental Biology and Medicine 217(3):36.
------------------------------------------------
Licorice will not promote progesterone in the body. Although it binds with the progesterone receptor it is actually anti-progesteronic which means it will suppress progesterone.
The things I put ** around were to draw attention to them. This article confirms that most of the herbs that bind to progesterone receptors will actually lower progesterone in the body... which is too bad.
Now as far as the grapefruit, I will try to check it out and find out if it actually increases progesterone or suppresses it.
Thanks for providing the link. The world of herbs is a very complicated one, but if we all pitch in what we find I think we can come to some sort of unanimous truth about the NBE effect of herbs.
waxingmoon
Aggie
(Login Aggie18)
Re: Progesterone food?
August 16 2008, 1:18 AM
hum...so...let me get this straight
we don't want licorice to bind to the receptor as it's not really progesterone
we want something that will up the progesterone count to bind to the receptors?
gah
i just got some tea too
i can try it out a little
that and i don't know how it taste like...i might not like it and leave it in the office kitchen to be free for all lol
wanttobecurvey
(Login wanttobecurvey)
Re: Progesterone food?
August 16 2008, 4:13 PM
Moon,
I read about the avacados in a couple of women's magazines recently.
One was an article about reducing estrogen overload, because of the bloating and symtpoms and weight gain and unhealthiness of that overload. It listed avacados in that regard, I believe I still have the article I had cut it out-it was either from Women's World or First. (I am in the USA). I will see if I can dig it up and update my message next week-I am at my boyfriend's place this week-end and possibly week.
That is one question that always nags at me. Even before I ever tried NBE, my breasts would swell, some months quite a bit, about a week or two before my cycle-which I believe is when the progesterone level increases. So I always wonder, at least for my body, if trying to increase estrogren with soy etc might not be having the effect I need I am not sure. I keep track of what I do in my journals and try to look back on what seems to work.
Lately my plan has been soy milk, soy protein drinks (iso soy poweder) and avavados.
But in the light of this email trail it would almost seem that I am cancelling one out with the other......
Aggie
(Login Aggie18)
Re: Progesterone food?
August 22 2008, 5:53 AM
I think I realize something
Please correct me if I got this wrong
If someone is low in progesterone in the first place...even weak progesterone should increase the amount of progesterone in the body
However if you have good progesterone..then taking in weak ones into ur body risks lowering the amount u already have b/c u block the progesterone from getting into the receptor by using the weak one
This is the same for estrogen case.
http://www.drlam.com/a3r_brief_in_doc_fo...terone.cfm
Natural progesterone is obtained by extracting diosgenin from wild yams and then converting this component into natural progesterone in the laboratory. Natural progesterone is referred to as natural because it is the identical molecule to that which the human body manufactures. Such yam-derived natural progesterone should not be confused with "yam extracts" that are commonly sold in health food stores. Our body easily converts natural progesterone into the identical molecule made by the body. It cannot convert the "yam extracts" into progesterone. There is no evidence that such "wild yam extract" is converted into progesterone once it enters into the human body and unlike natural progesterone, no conclusive formal studies have ever been conducted that identifies any particular benefits from "wild yam extracts".
I have a question for girls that use progesterone cream...
where do u rub it?
apparently u're suupose to avoid fat areas
..and breast is fat
so... where do u put it >_<
Angela
(Login Angela)
Re: Progesterone food?
August 23 2008, 9:18 AM
It's been said several times that progesterone cream should be applied to thin-skinned areas, but I've also seen it argued that this is unnecessary and it can easily be used anywhere on the body.