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Stem cells used for 'natural' boob jobs
May 16 2007 at 11:54 PM curious2000 (Login curious2000)
By John Stapleton
February 12, 2007 09:06am

WOMEN may be able to undergo a "natural" form of breast enlargement using their own stem cells and fat.

The technique, pioneered in Japan, results in breasts that look and feel smoother than conventional cosmetic surgery using implants.

Stem cells, which have the potential to change into any cells in the body, are found in embryos, but the most plentiful supply in adults is from body fat. When body fat is transferred to the breasts, the stem cells enable the fat to grow its own blood supply, thus becoming an integral part of the breast rather than a foreign object.

Dozens of women in Japan have received the enlargements during trials. This month, German authorities gave approval to the process. Under EU rules, this means that the procedure is now legal throughout Europe, including Britain.

But Australian women may have to wait for the procedure to become widely available because of litigation concerns.

Michael Zacharia, president of the Australasian College of Cosmetic Surgery, said the technique could make the detection of subsequent breast cancer more difficult.

While the procedure "gives a very nice natural result", he said it could be hard to determine whether changes occurring in a breast were as a result of cancer or the fat transfer.

"Medical insurance companies just refuse to cover it," he said




Halome
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Re: Stem cells used for 'natural' boob jobs
May 17 2007, 5:59 AM

YAY!


That's all I have to say. Smile



sophie
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Re: Stem cells used for 'natural' boob jobs
May 17 2007, 6:24 AM

how do they do the surgery? anyone know? i wonder what sort of incisions are involved.



Sally Anne
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Re: Stem cells used for 'natural' boob jobs
May 17 2007, 6:27 AM

This fat transfer idea has been discussed here before with the conclusion that it's hard to find cosmetic surgeons who perform it. You can look on the cosmetic surgery forum here for further information.



eww
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Re: Stem cells used for 'natural' boob jobs
May 17 2007, 7:16 AM

this is terrible. soon enough no one will be natural anymore. A cups will be a thing of the past. even people whho dont like big boobs will be pressured to get them. we will all be fake big breasted mutantgs



um
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Re: Stem cells used for 'natural' boob jobs
May 17 2007, 7:31 AM

why do peoplekeep trying to find way to transfer fat into the boobs? we did fat transfersin the 50s and it resulted in breasts calcifying and needing to be chopped off. your body doesnt respond well from the procedure, idont know why they still insist its going to work



Moon
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Re: Stem cells used for 'natural' boob jobs
May 17 2007, 6:08 PM

To the person who ewwwed - speak for ypourself, I for one have enoguh of a backbone not to be manipulated and pressured into wanting something I don't, A cup is exactly what I want and it's based on MY oppinion and no one elses.

About the procedure, it's be nice if that worked but the risks sound kindof scarry and even if it wasn't risky, I thoguht that fat transfer wasn't permanent.



lam1996
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ewww
May 17 2007, 6:20 PM

I personally think that if you are in this forum, you are at least curious of having bigger breasts. There is nothing wrong with wanting to have larger breasts. I am an A cup, I am interested in all possibilities.



Kitty
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Re: Stem cells used for 'natural' boob jobs
May 17 2007, 9:20 PM

To the person who "eewwww"d

what about all the girls that are trying to be AT LEAST an A cup!! Not everyone wants to walk about with huge cans falling outta their shirts!



sophie
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Re: Stem cells used for 'natural' boob jobs
May 18 2007, 12:01 AM

i would never go through with a surgery like this. my question was out of pure curiousity, and i imagine the person who created the post did so to just share what is going on in the world of breasts! i agree that whoever is on this site to some degree must want to enlarge their breasts to a degree - even if it is just to an A cup and not to pamela anderson proportions. i understand the frustration of living in a society where large breasts are becoming the norm largely through deceit, but oh well...we have to live with it, don't we? part of accepting yourself involves accepting the parts that do not fit into the supposed societal ideals. varying breast sizes have always gone in and out of fashion.
Stem Cell Breast Enlargement
February 15 2008 at 8:29 AM Woolly Sheep (Login SHJfromCA)
Hello,
I am new techincally new to the forums but have been lurking for some time now. I just had breast enlargement using stem cells performed and because I noticed a few months ago that several members of this forum were interested in this procedure, I've come back to answer any questions anyone might have. I've tried all types of NBE, from pumps to PM to BO...pretty much everything! My breasts grew some, shrank some, and so did my weight. This surgery seemed just right and I have no regrets at all. If you go in with reasonable expectations, you will probably not be disappointed. I was around a B cup pre surgery and right now it is 3 days post op and my boobs are probably around a large D (not my final size). Anyway, feel free to ask me any questions.


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Jackie
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Re: Stem Cell Breast Enlargement
February 15 2008, 8:37 AM

Oh that's great. How much was the procedure and how long until your desired cup size finally comes... and stays?



Woolly Sheep
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Re: Stem Cell Breast Enlargement
February 15 2008, 8:40 AM

Hi,
Mu surgery cost a little less than $7000 (I'm from California and had to go out of the country for this procedure) and the fat absorption is to stabilize at around 3 months. The doc said he can predict around a C cup, maybe more if I eat well and help my stem cells become nourished.



Jackie
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Re: Stem Cell Breast Enlargement
February 15 2008, 8:41 AM

Ohhhhh. That sounds a little risky. Like if it didn't work..

What made you decide to do that instead of just breast implants because it's around the same price you just get it faster.



Woolly Sheep
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Re: Stem Cell Breast Enlargement
February 15 2008, 8:51 AM

I think that's a personal decision. For me at least, implants look way too unnatural. The doctors say that at least 1 cup is increased, but you're right - this is a fairly new procedure and nothing is guaranteed. I did much research prior to this surgery, however, looking at Cellport's website and their before/after pictures, as well as others who perform this surgery in the country I am in right now. I also looked into Dr. Coleman's (in NY) fat graft breast augmentation procedure and stem cells seem more guaranteed. I can post pictures of my progress if anyone is really curious. I may go back for a second surgery if I am not happy with my size a few months from now - I think $3k for a second procedure.



Jackie
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Re: Stem Cell Breast Enlargement
February 15 2008, 9:13 AM

Oh that's quite expensive. But it may be worth it.
I went to the site. Did you go to China for this operation?

Oh please post pictures.
I may consider it.



Woolly Sheep
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Re: Stem Cell Breast Enlargement
February 15 2008, 11:11 AM

I honestly believe it is worth it. Finding this surgery was heaven sent for me, since I've spent years trying to enlarge my breasts naturally without finding any one exact solution. Cellport Japan is one of the few clinics that offers this procedure in the world but at $26,000/surgery, I could not afford it. I went to South Korea to have this done. I am an American citizen but am lucky enough to have family that lives here. The doctor, however, can read and understand English just fine - he answered all of my e-mails that were in English. My pictures won't be available until next week (the doctor only took my before pictures) but would you like to see additional photos from the other stem cell specialists I've spoken to in South Korea, including the pictures from my surgeon?



Jackie
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Re: Stem Cell Breast Enlargement
February 15 2008, 12:36 PM

Yeahhh. So that'd be a bit hard for me to go all the way over there if I wanted to do that. You're lucky then.

Sure of course.



Jackie
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Re: Stem Cell Breast Enlargement
February 15 2008, 12:36 PM

Oh and btw; do you know if you are estrogen dominant or not?



Woolly Sheep
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fat transfer
February 15 2008, 1:30 PM

Are you talking about fat transfer? Where they take fat from one part of your body and place it in your breasts? There are some doctors in the U.S. that do that, but they dont call it stem cell enlargement. I know its called a few different things, but its basically fat transfer. That is way better than implants, but I read like 70% of the fat dissolves, so you never really know what you will be left with. Please tell me if this is what you are talking about. I was thinking about getting it done too. Smile



Woolly Sheep
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Re: Stem Cell Breast Enlargement
February 15 2008, 3:19 PM

I haven't been formally checked for estrogen dominance or not - sorry! I can only e-mail pictures I think.

No, this is not regular fat transfer - completely different. I made sure of that before I had this procedure done. I think regular fat transfered from one area to another can calcify and look like a tumor. The stem cell usage for breast enlargement was regularly intended for breast cancer patients who have had mastectomies - many articles should be available on the net. You're right - transferring JUST FAT is available in the US, pioneered by Dr. Coleman from New York. Some Korean surgeons offer this procedure but unless they're as skilled as Dr. Coleman and can inject the fat in the right areas so it has a blood supply, I'd rather choose the stem cell procedure. I think Coleman charges around $18,000 for the procedure - a bit too much for me. Fat was liposuctioned from my body, stem cells were derived from the fat, and a mixture of fat (used as a carrier) and stem cells were injected into my breasts. The mixture was 50% fat, 50% stem cells and according to the doctor, at least 50% of my size will remain.

50% survival rate isn't too impressive compared to the 30% offered by the regular fat transfer procedure, but this is a minimum percentage and I believe that the stem cells have a better chance of surviving (by creating their own blood supply) than the regular fat cells (need to be injected precisely in the right areas - near a pre-existing blood supply). For me, I took care of 2 problems with this procedure - I got bigger breasts (although I will not the know the final size until May-ish - can keep anyone who is interested updated) and I removed the extra bulges of stubborn fat from my body.

This is a pretty jumbled post - it's late on this side of the world. I hope this helps!



sheep
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thats awesome
February 15 2008, 6:24 PM

Is that the only country to get it done in cheaper? (not that 7000 is cheaper)
What if your extremely skinny with not much fat?
Are their any health requirements?
How long did u have to stay in korea?
What excactly did u have done in steps and how long did it take?
Thanks this is exactly what i want to do 2Wink



Jackie
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Re: Stem Cell Breast Enlargement
February 15 2008, 7:49 PM

I want a little liposuction. Just a little bit around my abdomen. How much is the price range in the us for liposuction anyway?



Linz
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Re: Stem Cell Breast Enlargement
February 15 2008, 11:49 PM

Liposuction alone can cause natural breast enlargement - esp when from the abdomen. Search for Finzi - liposuction induced breast enlargment.

Candian lady: This may also add to your results maybe? I'm not sure.
I've never heard the stem cell thing being so cheap, I might actually consider it for real now. Could you tell me the name of the surgeon? I'd be very grateful

L xx



SHJfromCA
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Re: Stem Cell Breast Enlargement
February 16 2008, 5:35 AM

I think it depends on the area, I believe $2000 for outer thighs?




hopeful88
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Re: Stem Cell Breast Enlargement
February 16 2008, 6:33 AM

As big as my thighs are I would never think about getting lipo, there's so many other things I'd rather do with that money... Interesting about the stem cell though, I think it would be great to increase the size naturally but with all the hassle of going to another country and stuff I would probably have just gotten implants then as it would have been easier. Come back and let us know later down the line how well it worked though SHJfromCA. Good luck Smile




PrincessPearl
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Re: Stem Cell Breast Enlargement
February 16 2008, 6:49 AM

I had a friend that had lipo, it grew back all lumpy !!! That deters me from getting it. I wonder if there is any physician in Mexico yet that does the stem cell procedure for the breasts.



Woolly Sheep
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Re: Stem Cell Breast Enlargement
February 16 2008, 8:21 AM

I’ve read in this forum somewhere that some European countries do this, but I doubt it would be cheaper than $7k. I trust this doctor who performed my procedure – I asked him lots of questions, asking many that I already knew the answers to, and he was really on top of things. He spoke of the original Japanese doctor who pioneered this procedure and they use the same technique – CAL (cell assisted lipotransfer). I also asked why the price in Korea is so much cheaper than in Japan. Everything in Japan is extremely expensive, but the procedure is exactly the same. I e-mailed Cellport Japan and asked them many questions too, and everything matched up with my Korean doctor’s answers.

If you’re skinny without a lot of fat, the surgery would be harder to do, but the doctor has told me that a woman as small as 43 kg (less than 100 pounds) successfully had the procedure done. I am here for 10 days, but I think you only need a week. I had more lipo done than necessary because that’s what I wanted, but about a 1000cc (1 kg or 2.2 pounds) is removed for the procedure. I was in surgery for a VERY LONG TIME – from 2 pm to 1:30 am. They did some blood work before the procedure and that was it. I will post the exact details of the procedure a bit later when I have more time!

Hehe – I am from California, not Canada =] but I could see how the two can get mixed up!

Yes, because the fat cells have been permanently removed from my “trouble spots”, the other, non liposuctioned parts would get bigger if I gained weight. I really like this idea, however, any other non liposuctioned areas have the potential to get bigger now, not only my boobs. The doctor said I don’t need to gain weight, just stay the same and eat well so the stem cells have a better chance of surviving and turning into healthy breast tissue. I don't want to get bigger.

My doctor’s website is www.paean.co.kr but everything is in Korean. I suggest you check out Cellport Japan’s website and research the CAL procedure first (google search). It is in English and very informative. Also read up on Dr. Yoshimura, founder of this procedure.

As for the lumpiness, I was concerned about this too, but I think this is if the fat is suctioned from areas where the skin is too tender and soft. My doctor said the front of my thighs and the upper portion of my inner thighs have the potential of skin rippling, so he lipo’ed only a little/not at all from these areas. I am young (24 in a few days) and I wasn’t mordibly overweight, so my skin should shrink to the new width.

I will post my pictures next week.



Linz
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Re: Stem Cell Breast Enlargement
February 16 2008, 1:52 PM

HI SHJfromCA (California!)-
Sorry I was a little sleepy when I was writing last night!

Actually, the liposuction induced breast enlargment, is thought to be due to hormonal reasons. Stored body fat produces estrone within itself - an estrogen. The body is thought to compensate for the loss of this supply, but producing more - resulting in breast enlargment. I think there's a little more too it than that, but I don't remember exactly. It's sounds convincing though (although anything slightly scientific sounding could probably convince me! Tongue)
But of course, your right also, if you gain weight it's obviously going to go to non- liposuctioned areas.

I wondered, how long did you need to stay in hospital for? What do you think the minimal time would be that you could complete the whole surgery in and set off home?
I suppose the cost but be more if you got more than one area liposuctioned?
Will it cost you $3k for any other additional surgeries? if you had more than one?


Thanks for coming to the forum to share your experience, you're helping a lot of people.

xx



Woolly Sheep
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Re: Stem Cell Breast Enlargement
February 16 2008, 9:01 PM

Ohhh hormonal reasons - I had no idea. If that's the case, then that's great! I look forward to bigger boobs =] Is there a link to an article I could read about? I'm really curious!

This was an outpatient procedure - was in the hospital for a consult at around 11 am, had to leave to get x-rayed and ate lunch, got back to the clinic by 2 pm, and I was first lipo'ed, then had to wait a few hours while they were getting the stem cell/fat solution ready. I was completely done by 1:30 am.

I think 7 days MAY be the minimum but I can ask the doctor. Of course, the longer you stay, the better. When I went for my first followup, they put me under this huge laser thing (painless) and it really relieved a lot of pain I felt from the lipo'ed areas. After the laser treatment (about 1 hour), they massaged my body with this contraption bu hand - this hurt because I'm still pretty bruised up but I felt pretty good afterwards.

Actually, to get enough fat from one area is tough, so more than one area is usually lipo'ed. I thought my thighs had enough fat to supply for 100 surgeries but this wasn't the case. In fact, my thighs alone didn't have enough fat to suffice for the procedure. About 1000cc (1/10 of a liter) of pure fat is needed. I had a little over 2000cc removed (a lot - from my inner/outer/anterior thighs, waist) - figured do all the lipo now instead of having additional work done. This didn't cost extra for me but my dad (yes, I went with my DAD - very embarrassing) talked to the doctor for me and made sure the price didn't exceed the initial amount.

Yeah it's $3000 for a second time and the doc told me he's never had a patient come back for a third. Even a second is rare is what they said but Koreans aren't into really large boobs and are happy with just a little volume (not the case for me since I'm from Cali =[). The nurses told me that even a C cup is considered pretty huge! I MIGHT be back for a second and I may not even be a good candidate for a third. This is because there is only so much fat your body can supply for this surgery - no matter how fat you are, even though harvesting the fat may be easier if you're bigger. Cells are cells and once they're gone, they're gone!

You're welcome - just wanting to help those who are like me - tried various methods, grew a bit but didn't have consistent results. But I really appreciate the time I spent with NBE - I learned a lot and even discovered this procedure through this website.



Linz
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Re: Stem Cell Breast Enlargement
February 16 2008, 11:53 PM

Hi there,

here's somthing about the liposuction induced breast enlargement:

http://www.cosmeticsurgery.com/articles/archive/an~227/
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/bs...9/art00007

I haven't got the links directly to the original journal articles, as you have to be athens registered, but I can email them.

Also, have you heard of Fat transplantation using brava. Brava is suppose to keep the breasts well circulated to prevent the fat dying away. Can't find the link, although it's somewhere on this forum. The results look pretty impressive. I'd be tempted to try it together with the stem cell treatment - but on the other hand, I wouldn't want to risk the chance of it interferring with it.

Does the clinic you visited have a webpage by the way?

Do you think you will have enough fat left for a 2nd op, should you need one?

Thanks!! Smile



Woolly Sheep
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Re: Stem Cell Breast Enlargement
February 17 2008, 6:14 AM

Ohh could you e-mail them to minitea@gmail.com?

Yes, I've heard of Brava and MAY consider using it. But for at least 1 month after the procedure, I'm supposed to be gentle with my boobs so the stem cells can be at their best. Brava can be pretty abrasive, no? Like leave bruises? I used to (unsuccessfully) vacuum my breasts and that alone left ugly, bruised, painful rings. And can Brava be used for people who are a C cup or larger? I'll ask the doctor about this tomorrow.

The clinic's webapge is www.paean.co.kr

If I have enough fat - that the doctor can't be too sure of. Right now, no one can tell I had lipo because I'm so swollen and bruised. The doctor didn't do open incision drainage for my lipo because he said Asian skin tends to scar easily. He said open drainage is better for Caucasians. I guess I'll just have to wait until a couple of months after all the puffiness goes away.



Jackie
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Re: Stem Cell Breast Enlargement
February 17 2008, 8:00 PM

Ohhh. I totally wanna do the liposuction for breast enlargement procedure. Because not only you'll be skinnier, but wooooop! Bigger boobs. More expensive than breast implants though.



Woolly Sheep
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Re: Stem Cell Breast Enlargement
February 18 2008, 8:26 AM

I thought it was too expensive until I realized I was getting 2 procedures done at once - lipo and breast augmentation =]



Woolly Sheep
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Re: Stem Cell Breast Enlargement
February 18 2008, 8:32 AM

Oh and I asked the doctor about using Brava after the procedure - he said it may help bring blood to the area (I'm not very good at Korean so I couldn't understand everything), hence help keep the new cells alive...I think. Anyway, wouldn't hurt to use Brava but he also said the cells will survive just as well on their own. You can e-mail him here if you have more questions: czech91@naver.com



Linz
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Re: Stem Cell Breast Enlargement
February 19 2008, 12:03 PM

Hi SHJ,

I wondered, if it's not too much trouble, could you post or email your progress pics. I hope are able to updates us in a few months. So will it be around May when you get your final results?

How long did it take before you were able to function as normally from the liposuction? Were you able to walk ok the day after?

xx



Woolly Sheep
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Re: Stem Cell Breast Enlargement
February 19 2008, 12:44 PM

I will post them as soon as I get back to the States...later this week sometime. About 3 months from now, the fat absorption should stop.

I think it depends on where you get lipo'ed. I had fat removed from all over my thighs - front, back, outer, inner - and my waist. Because I had fat taken out of the backs of my thighs, it's hard for me to sit and even go to the bathroom. The compression garment is the most uncomfortable (I need to wear it 24/7 for 2 weeks and about 1/2 the time afterwards for a few more weeks). It's exactly 1 week post op and I am still in pain (getting better little by little everyday) and very swollen and bruised. But I did not undergo open-incision drainage, as the doctor told me Asian skin tends to scar easier than Caucasian skin. Closed-drainage takes double (or more) the amount of time for the swelling, bruising, etc. to subside, so unless you're Asian like me, I don't think I'm a good example as to how long it would take for the post op uncomfiness to subside. Also, I am not sure if open-drainage is fit for only Caucasians - all I know is that's it's not very good for Asian skin.

My breasts don't hurt as badly as the areas that were liposuctioned. They are still full and bandaged up in the places where the fat was injected. They were really high and hard right after surgery but they are starting to fall and getting softer.



Woolly Sheep
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Re: Stem Cell Breast Enlargement
February 19 2008, 12:53 PM

Sure - I will after I get back to the States (later this week). Yes, the fat should stabilize around mid-late May but I am planning on keeping track beyond that time.

I am still in pain and swollen, however, I didn't have have open-incision draining because the doctor told me that Asian skin tends to scar easily. If you are not Asian, you may be a candidate for open-incision draining that will cut the healing process in half. I was able to walk the next day, but because I had fat removed from the backs of my thighs, sitting and even going to the bathroom is still painful, but getting better everyday. The doctor told me I should be OK after 2 weeks and that my compression garment can be removed and worn for half the time by then as well.




Hopeful88
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Re: Stem Cell Breast Enlargement
February 19 2008, 7:56 PM

I've seen open incision on tv but not Closed-drainage... how does that work? good luck Smile



Woolly Sheep
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Re: Stem Cell Breast Enlargement
February 20 2008, 2:53 AM

I think what happens is that during closed drainage lipo, the fluid doesn't drain out of the incisions. The body, after time, reabsorbs the fluid and it exits other ways. This usually takes longer than open incision drainage. It's less messy because I am not leaking fluid and I don't need to buy any extra pads to soak up the liquid. Also, I hear with closed incision that there is less chance for infection. Healing is slow but it's a little over one week post op and I am feeling MUCH better, although sitting is still painful. Doctors use both methods, although in America, I believe open incision is more popular.



Nicole
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Email address of korean doc
March 3 2008, 1:58 AM

Hi woolly sheep,

Do you have the email address of the doc who performed the stem cell breast enlargement process? I tried the email as stated in his website but there was error in delivery. Thanks!

Regards,
Nic



roakie
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Re: Stem Cell Breast Enlargement
October 22 2008, 7:38 AM

Has anyone heard anything further from Woolly Sheep or does she ever check in here? I was wondering how the fat transfer has held up? I tried sending an email privately but never heard anything back.



greecemonkey
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Re: Stem Cell Breast Enlargement
October 22 2008, 10:03 AM

Heya roakie,
yea I was wondering the same thing!..I've just read this whole posting(only just found it now), and its like watching a movie that cuts out right before you find out what happens in the end!! Ripped off ;D

I hope our californian friend is ok!



emmy
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Re: Stem Cell Breast Enlargement
October 22 2008, 5:18 PM

I can't get in touch with the korean doctor either.
I'll need to get a korean interpreter I think
New Fat Transplanting Technique
May 27 2007 at 5:26 AM Corrie (Login Corrie73)
http://www.cellport.jp/english/operation/

Looks pretty cool, even though I am usually anti-surgery. Even so, I'm sticking with GY and herbs!

Good luck everyone.




Lucky12
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Re: New Fat Transplanting Technique
May 27 2007, 6:50 AM

wow, cool article. it looks like an interesting prospect. ill definately watch the development of this. hmnn, i need to start saving $25,000..now. in the meantime. NBE it is hahaha



Moon
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Re: New Fat Transplanting Technique
May 27 2007, 2:05 PM

I've heard other members say that this method has been tried, but that transplanted fat calcified and ruined the patient's breasts, in some cases they had to have them removed.

The macrolane method seems a lot more promising to me.



Lost Sheep
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re: Calcification
May 28 2007, 8:39 AM



I think this is a different method called "CAL" and is a newer liptransfer procedure. They claim not to have those negative effects because they introduce the fat slowly in different layers so it wont clump and they fill the injector with adipose tissue that is packed with Stem cells. On their website they say:

"Besides the CAL tissue augmentation procedure, there are some other breast augmentation procedures which use an autologous fat transplantation method. However, those procedures are said to have the following problems.
Since transplanted fat is absorbed into the body a few months after the transplantation, the efficiency of breast augmentation is low.
A lump (fibrosis, CALCIFICATION) is often felt, because fat is transplanted "in a clump".
In many cases, necrosis of transplanted fat is reported due to the lack of blood supply, resulting in formation of cysts, fibrosis or calcification.
CAL tissue augmentation procedure is a safe breast augmentation procedure with high efficiency, which has overcome all the problems stated above."

they go into more detail about it here: http://www.cellport.jp/english/cal/index.html

also, when i googled i remember reading that around 60 patients have had it and it was successful..all the press releases looks to be released to the media just a few months ago...might be worth a 2nd look. Please correct me if this is already what you were talking about earlier. I just thought it might be different..
stem cell breast enlargement
April 12 2008 at 2:39 PM amy (Login firish69)
http://www.bostondermcosmeticsurgery.com

this place is in brookline ma on the outskirts of boston

I think they charge 15000.00 usd and he was trained same as cell port

anyone know anything about this?



amy
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Re: stem cell breast enlargement
April 12 2008, 2:45 PM

Oh i forgot to add i think u need 150 ml of fat like 30 tsp

Anyone know how to gain weight/fat quick



Linz
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Re: stem cell breast enlargement
April 13 2008, 1:11 AM

Hi Amy,

150ml? - so half a can of cokes worth of fat. Is that not meant to be 1500ml (I'm sure you're probably right - just checking).

For weight gain - try a high cal protein drink. I've used to as part of my breast growing routine - and i'm packing weight on (but in wrong places)!!! Other than that, birth control pills make you put on weight. Cilest made me put on 10 pounds in about 4 months!!

$15000 - that's a better price than in tokoyo - thanks for sharing.
Good luck.



sheep
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Re: stem cell breast enlargement
April 13 2008, 10:07 PM

I think its 150 ml

i want this procedure its soo worth it

whats the risks?



amy
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not celution
April 14 2008, 7:54 PM

ok i called and they said its not celution but on the same idea.

brand new procedure but its a case by case procedure with increasing cup size due to ur personal fat content.

its about 10,000.00 dollars and consult is 250.00

U have to have the consult so he can check ur health and body fat to see what he can do for you.

sorry bout the misinformation ,u need more than 150 ml i think....



Louise
(Login Louise1982)
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Re: stem cell breast enlargement
April 14 2008, 8:00 PM

So if I'm willing to use up the huge reserves in my butt I could have FF cups? I knew it would come in handy one day!



amy
(Login firish69)
yes louise
April 14 2008, 8:28 PM

you lucky butt haha i wish i had some to spare



Angela
(Login Angela)
Re: stem cell breast enlargement
April 18 2008, 3:12 PM

If you have the spare fat you can have this done and kill 2 birds with 1 stone.

As for myself I don't think I've got enough spare fat to make it worthwhile. I wouldn't get a huge breast increase.

you lucky butt haha i wish i had some to spare
Celution
July 11 2007 at 9:16 AM caro2000 (Login caro2000)
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Hi girls,
I stumbled upon this and thought it might be of some interest. This method of breast enlargement is based upon stem cells and liposculpture (lipofilling). The first link is in french but you may use an online translator:
http://fr.news.yahoo.com/dstsante/200707...91fa4.html

The society (cytorix) providing this treatment is set in california. I googled it and found these links:
http://ir.cytoritx.com/releasedetail.cfm...eID=229485

http://www.cytoritx.com/products/rs_overview.html

This method will first be used in europe, in women who underwent breast surgery (massectomy). I couldn't find anything about the duration of the treatment, is it definitive? does the fat resorb in time? I don't know. I just skimmed through the articles though, so perhaps I missed something. I found this Celution exciting and promising and couldn't wait to share it with you.
Bye



Charity
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Re: Celution
July 11 2007, 7:38 PM

I've emailed a doctor in Austria that does the procedure to get more info on it. It is not yet legal in the US (not sure where you are located) but it's legal in the EU including the UK. There is one doctor that does it in Japan as well. He's the one who pioneered this procedure. Apparently they can take up to 160 cc of your own fat from liposuction and with stem cells use this fat as your own implant. For sizes larger than 160 cc you must do the procedure twice. Previsously when injecting your own fat into the breast, the body would reject the fat. Now with mixing the fat with your own stem cells, the fat will grow it's own blood supply so the results are permanent! The operation takes 3-4 hours. The doctor advises to stay in Austria for 2-3 days for the surgery. His name is Dr. Heinrich and his website is www.ddrheinrich.com. It sounds like a great alternative to having implants. I think there are a few doctors in the US that are doing research on it. Hopefully it will be more widely available soon!



Louise
(Login Louise1982)
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Re: Celution
July 11 2007, 9:17 PM

I saw it in UK newspaper - apparently hoping to be available post mastectomy early 2008 and procedure should only take an hour. You then take 6 months to grow up to 2 cup sizes.



Lost Sheep
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Re: Celution
July 12 2007, 8:08 AM

Hi Louise, Hi Charity,

I'm in France... and I doubt this technic will cross the border easily.
Yet, this sounds very encouraging. After all, if they plan to perform it on women with mastectomy, it must be a safe process.

I remember reading about "normal" liposculpture: many patients developed calcifications, which is why surgeons are reluctant to use it. too risky. It's hard to tell calcifications from beginning cancers in mammography or palpation.

2 cups!!! That's awesome. I'd better start to spare a lot ... something tells me it will be somewhat pricey Wink
I'll try to get some more information and let you know. I'm curious to see if this is meant to last or if it's just a temporary thing.
Anyway, it sounds almost too good to be true: finding yourself with a smaller butt and bigger boobs within one hour, no general anesthesia, no scars, no pain...mmmh, I wonder where the bug hides.



caro2000
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Re: Celution
July 12 2007, 8:11 AM

I forgot to thank you for the link to Dr. heirich's website, charity. Thanks!



Louise
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Re: Celution
July 12 2007, 9:14 AM

It's supposed to be similar price to regular implants and using stem cells means that it's not just a lump of fat in there which will dissolve, it will develop it's own blood supply and become a living part of the natural breast. I would imagine normal stuff like pregnancy and changes in weight may affect it but otherwise should last.



Charity
(Login Charity99)
Re: Celution
July 12 2007, 6:36 PM

Lost Sheep-

The calcification occurs with lipo sculpture without the use of your stem cells. The stem cells prevents this from happening and the fat grows its own blood supply and reincorporating itself naturally with your body. It's very exciting news for all of us!



Linz
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Re: Celution
July 23 2007, 1:56 PM

Does anyone have any idea how much the Austrian treatment costs yet? I know the one in Japan in £12,000!!

Thanks



Louise
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Re: Celution
July 23 2007, 7:08 PM

Who is it in Japan that's doing it? Is there a website? What are their results like?



Charity
(Login Charity99)
Re: Celution
July 23 2007, 7:23 PM

You can check out their website here:

http://www.cellport.jp/english/

They say this procedure should be available in the EU in 2008!



Linz
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Re: Celution
July 26 2007, 5:48 PM

Hi,

Just wondered....

so you can take 160 cc from another area - will all of this fat survive, or will some be reabsorbed?

This is very exciting but pricey. The Austrian Dr. told me it costs 3000 - 15000 euros.
I suppose you're get Lipo plus a natural looking breast enlargement - so it's more reasonable if you put it that way

xx




Pearl.
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Re: Celution
January 8 2008, 7:15 AM

Any info on the estimated cost?



Miss Jones
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Re: Celution
January 8 2008, 8:12 AM

You can find more information regarding this on the cosmetic surgery page.



Moon
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Re: Celution
January 8 2008, 9:03 AM

I haven't heard much about this procedure, but one thing I did hear is that it's not sucessful, that the fat calcifies and becomes permanently inflamated with granulomas and the breasts harden and become deformed.



Louise
(Login Louise1982)
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Re: Celution
January 8 2008, 6:14 PM

Moon - have a look on the Brava forum at the autologous fat transplants that used Brava to stretch the skin and encourage vascularisation, about 90% fat survival! They also in my mind went a little too large but they all had a lovely natural shape (if you want to see some fright boobs check out the link I posted on the implants forum - talk about upside down and back to front - yuck!)



Linz
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Re: Celution
January 9 2008, 12:39 AM

Hi Moon,

So the stem cell breast enlargement is unsuccessful too! This was going to be my last resort. I know that simple fat transfer calsify - but is this def true for the stem cell breast enlargement - I was under the impression this was what the procedure had overcome.
I sure you wouldn't say it if you hadn't read it somewhere - I'm not doubting you really - just double checking out of wishful thinking!

As Louise says, the brava fat transfer seems brilliant:
http://www.brava.com/acog-poster-session.asp

But I dunno if you can be sure that it lasts longer than a year. I think it's a long game when it comes to fat transfers lasting.

xx



Crystal
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Re: Celution
January 29 2008, 7:54 PM

Hi,

first I want to thank Charity for the link to Dr. Heinrich's Website. I contacted the clinic to get some informations myself and they were very obliging. In particluar i asked your question, Linz: whether the the stem cell breast enlargement is temporary or a long-term measurement and they told me it is permanent. Since I'm from germany I made an appointment at the clinic and going to check it out.