Wow that makes for an interesting read! I wonder why fennel isn't in there?
Will you still take black cholosh?
Thanks for posting
No, going to stop black cohosh.
(01-04-2014, 06:20 PM)peggy Wrote: [ -> ]No, going to stop black cohosh.
What will you substitute it with? Goats rue or Fenu?
I need to ask Lotus to have a squizzy for us as I'm not entirely sure how much phytoestrogen if any is in GR but its a definitely galactalogue and cause's swelling/tissue build.
Nice post Peggy, we all need to know both sides, I would only suggest that there's always 2-3 sides to info out there. For instance the web site listed this info:
Progesterone acts as an antagonist to estrogen — it tones estrogen down. For example, estrogen stimulates breast cysts while progesterone protects against breast cysts. Estrogen enhances salt and water retention while progesterone is a natural diuretic. Estrogen has been associated with breast and endometrial cancers, while progesterone has a cancer preventive effect. Studies have shown that premenopausal women deficient in progesterone had 5.4 times the risk of breast cancer compared to healthy women.
I see some scientific research, I would say you could find as many or if not more opposing info posted out there. So when we make our decisions about what products to use you have to weigh out all of the research data you can find. And even then it's not a 100% guarantee, but it's great that you're taking the time to educate yourself and others, I sure appreciate it.
But great work as always
Ella, I am taking Fenu already in my herbal mix. I will eventually use it until the end of this cycle and then make another mix.
Lotus, I know there are many opposing infos out there. But I found multiple articles that soy is bad and also hops, especially when you are estrogen dominant.
I am not sure what to think about PM.
I found just a few human studies where the woman took just 50mg (or max. 100mg) of PM per day for six months, which is a very low dose.
Quote:In human interventions, doses up to 50mg have been used in interventions with no significant reported side-effects[34][29] and doses in the range of 25-100mg in open-label studies lasting up to 6 months have failed to show any relevant toxic effects.[26][27]
Currently no significant side-effects associated with supplemental Pueraria Mirifica at the standard supplemental dosages
And this:
Quote:In an Ames test, it appears that Pueraria (Mirifica and Lobata) do not possess any direct mutagenic effects regardless of whether or not they are bioactivated via S9 (to mimic cellular metabolism), but both were slightly antimutagenic when mutations were induced by either benzo(a)pyrene or 2-(2-furyl)-3-(5-nitro-2-furyl)-acrylamide; lack of mutagenicitiy was seen with 300mg/kg oral ingestion in rats[62] although another study in male mice using higher doses of a water extract (600-800mg/kg, human equivalent dose of 96-128mg/kg) was able to induce a higher frequency of micronuclei formation, indicative of mutagenicity
Source:
http://examine.com/supplements/Pueraria+mirifica/
I would love to take PM for all the other benefits (hair, skin etc) but I am not sure if it is really safe in higher dosages. What do you think, Lotus?
(01-04-2014, 06:31 PM)ELLACRAIG Wrote: [ -> ] (01-04-2014, 06:20 PM)peggy Wrote: [ -> ]No, going to stop black cohosh.
What will you substitute it with? Goats rue or Fenu?
I need to ask Lotus to have a squizzy for us as I'm not entirely sure how much phytoestrogen if any is in GR but its a definitely galactalogue and cause's swelling/tissue build.
Hi Ella,
Ive found it to be a phytoestrogen and astringent but I still trying to "verify" that and also regards to this statement-
it enhances E-receptors by the way of stimulating the ovaries to produce E,
I'll let ya know!, but it could go either way on being a phytoestrogen.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7892287
(01-04-2014, 07:37 PM)~Lotus~ Wrote: [ -> ] (01-04-2014, 06:31 PM)ELLACRAIG Wrote: [ -> ] (01-04-2014, 06:20 PM)peggy Wrote: [ -> ]No, going to stop black cohosh.
What will you substitute it with? Goats rue or Fenu?
I need to ask Lotus to have a squizzy for us as I'm not entirely sure how much phytoestrogen if any is in GR but its a definitely galactalogue and cause's swelling/tissue build.
Hi Ella,
Ive found it to be a phytoestrogen and astringent but I still trying to "verify" that and also regards to this statement- it enhances E-receptors by the way of stimulating the ovaries to produce E,
I'll let ya know!, but it could go either way on being a phytoestrogen.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7892287
Thanks soo much
Now you mention that re it stimulating the ovaries to produce E I recall I did see that once! Look forward to what you come up with
Peggy are you considering taking PM?? Based on what information you and Lotus come up with?
(01-04-2014, 07:11 PM)peggy Wrote: [ -> ]Ella, I am taking Fenu already in my herbal mix. I will eventually use it until the end of this cycle and then make another mix.
Lotus, I know there are many opposing infos out there. But I found multiple articles that soy is bad and also hops, especially when you are estrogen dominant.
I am not sure what to think about PM. I found just a few human studies where the woman took just 50mg (or max. 100mg) of PM per day for six months, which is a very low dose.
Quote:In human interventions, doses up to 50mg have been used in interventions with no significant reported side-effects[34][29] and doses in the range of 25-100mg in open-label studies lasting up to 6 months have failed to show any relevant toxic effects.[26][27]
Currently no significant side-effects associated with supplemental Pueraria Mirifica at the standard supplemental dosages
And this:
Quote:In an Ames test, it appears that Pueraria (Mirifica and Lobata) do not possess any direct mutagenic effects regardless of whether or not they are bioactivated via S9 (to mimic cellular metabolism), but both were slightly antimutagenic when mutations were induced by either benzo(a)pyrene or 2-(2-furyl)-3-(5-nitro-2-furyl)-acrylamide; lack of mutagenicitiy was seen with 300mg/kg oral ingestion in rats[62] although another study in male mice using higher doses of a water extract (600-800mg/kg, human equivalent dose of 96-128mg/kg) was able to induce a higher frequency of micronuclei formation, indicative of mutagenicity
Source: http://examine.com/supplements/Pueraria+mirifica/
I would love to take PM for all the other benefits (hair, skin etc) but I am not sure if it is really safe in higher dosages. What do you think, Lotus?
No I completely get it sweetheart, high doses of anything is just not a good idea, long term affects and all is not worth the risks. I'm guilty of doing the exact same thing, but I've learned that the hard way.
Instead concentrate on specific herbal actions, i.e. Tannins (astringent), prolactin source FG, fennel estrogenic source, ect.
So many others to choose from also 5 ar's too....
And of course suction and massage....