(05-11-2013, 07:18 PM)CancerStrikes2 Wrote: [ -> ]I disagree. Europeans and Americans are big in gym vigorous Exercise but no, not Asian world. My late Dad at early adult age, he had bad diet and he ended up with one bad disease then he changed the way he ate (no more raw meat + fishes which was very popular in Asia). He never worked out but he lived till the age of late 80's. Samething for my late grandparents who lived to late 90's. Tai chi or Yoga is different than American Gym exercises due to we Americans consume too much calories daily. This is where Japanese people longevity rate are a lot higher than Americans...
To me if you are active (not a TV couch potato + Xbox player) and eating proper diet, you will be fine without exercising.
-V
You say you disagree, but clearly disagree without knowing exactly with what you are disagreeing. Tai chi and yoga ARE forms of exercise. Asians are very much into their exercise and keeping physically active throughout the day. It is actually very much a part of their lifestyle, more than it is apart of an American lifestyle. And there is surprisingly nothing wrong with calories as long as it is 1) being used and 2) comes from good food (meaning, the calories are paired with nutrition that your body can use). The problem with most Americans is that there is very little nutritional value attached to those calories, and many people don't exercise/stay active.
Here is the definition, as it seems it is needed for clarification based on your response. Exercise: "an activity requiring physical effort." This is also what describes an active lifestyle. An active lifestyle consists of activities requiring physical effort. Sedentary: "means a lifestyle that includes only the light physical activity associated with typical day-to-day life." (notice, not activity requiring physical effort); Moderately active: "means a lifestyle that includes physical activity equivalent to walking about 1.5 to 3 miles per day at 3 to 4 miles per hour, in addition to the light physical activity associated with typical day-to-day life." Active: "means a lifestyle that includes physical activity equivalent to walking more than 3 miles per day at 3 to 4 miles per hour, in addition to the light physical activity associated with typical day-to-day life." And walking, as you know, is a form of exercise. So there you have it. Exercise is what is needed in a person's routine to be considered active.
http://www.health.gov/dietaryguidelines/...pter4.html
However, since there are so many people who are the "TV couch potato + Xbox player" as you mentioned above, the idea of what is an active lifestyle in America has become almost warped. They think (just as you mentioned above) that anything more than sitting all day long is considered an active lifestyle. For example, a person thinks they live an active lifestyle if they work a desk job and run an errand or two after work (which for most of us consists of getting in and out of our cars), and cooking dinner. So, when a person says "active lifestyle" such as you said above, this is typically what is included in that category (as they think that just getting out of the house makes them active!), but really does not require hardly any physical effort. So really, I think more Americans live a sedentary lifestyle than we may think. I know of the Asian lifestyle of which you are speaking, and typically across the board, they all have AT LEAST moderately active lifestyles and are much more active than the American lifestyle. In Asia, they typically incorporate "physical activity that requires effort" in their daily routines.
I think it is pretty obvious that exercise increases life expectancy, which happens for a reason. However, exercising not only inconveniences people but also requires physical effort that many in this excuse-making society would rather not do. And most things that people would rather not do in this culture, we
don't do and we sure know how to come up with a million-and-one excuses as to why we don't need it. And, the reason for the fact that there is a huge health and fitness industry is because so many people get caught in this rut that is so common of our culture yet does not coexist with our fashion industry's superficial need to look great. And healthy diets are finally
starting to become a little more mainstream. These two go hand-in-hand as baby-boomers are now of the age in which they are most concerned about these things for the purpose of prolonging their lives, increasing their energy, and just looking the best they can as they begin to age. Health and fitness was not always a big industry, but it is today for these reasons. I personally think it is a good thing.
Additionally, it can be tricky to compare a culture like America to an Asian culture. There are so many differences other than just health and fitness that I would not know where to begin. For example, they do not need a big booming health and fitness industry because they already individually take care of that, because in the Asian culture, there is an over-achiever, perform the best to one's ability, no excuses mentality that we often times have less of here because we nurture more of an understanding of one's setbacks mentality here, which often results in a mentality of excuses. So, it's not that Asians live longer because they don't have a fitness industry... it's more the opposite, that they don't have a fitness industry because they are already living longer because they individually take care of their fitness needs. They don't even really seem to need the motivation that our fitness industry provides for us (and still many of us don't even bother due to our cultural mentality of excuses!).
(05-11-2013, 07:19 PM)LookingForward2NBE Wrote: [ -> ]Exercise.
I did say not to exercise but simply no High intensity workouts that would be required for GH release. I stand by that. A lack of vigorous exercise for 6-12months won't do anyone harm unless you someone with a type of preexisting condition ie type2 diabetes, high cholesterol etc. Then again, if you have those, nbe with the use of herbs could be an issue by manipulating the your baseline hormone balance.
Walking, non power yoga, light bike rides, intercourse, orgasims etc all help get your heart up without burning too many calories. Going for 2-3 light walks vs 1 power workout etc.
Agreed, agreed. Which is why I asked what you meant by not to exercise. Agreed that it is fine for your health if you do not do high intensity workouts over such a period of time, but I do believe that going without any exercise at all over such a period of time is not healthy (but this is not what you were saying, thanks for clarifying). However, I don't believe that some high intensity workouts will hurt in NBE. Overdoing it yes, but some will not hurt.
(05-11-2013, 07:19 PM)LookingForward2NBE Wrote: [ -> ]Easy with the hostility, I didn't say anything controversial or personally attack anyone. No wonder so many educated helpful members have stop posting and left.
Hostility? Maybe you're being sensitive, but I don't see it even when looking back at what I wrote. You are more than welcome to point it out. And actually, the helpful members leave when they get frustrated with people who make silly and stupid statements over and over again, no matter how many times the truth is told to them. They get frustrated and lose their cool, and eventually leave because it is unfair when they try to help people, and people keep insisting on their warped ideas no matter how many times the senior member tells them otherwise. No senior members have had a problem with me as of yet; the only people who have an issue with me were newer people.
Making a statement such as you just made was very passive-aggressive which I did not deserve, as I simply only disagreed with you, asked if you could clarify some things you said as they were unclear, and told you my frustration with that mentality in NBE. I don't see any harm in that, nor do I see any hostility or points directed at you. It is these kind of passive-aggressive comments, as well as the continued illogical push towards a less-healthy lifestyle, that tire me out. I am only here to keep people from believing the idea of "no exercise is better." But once presented with both sides of the argument, hopefully they should be able to make a decision to know.
(05-11-2013, 07:19 PM)LookingForward2NBE Wrote: [ -> ]The simple fact is, comparing a person who is naturally gifted with C+ breasts with a slim waste to someone with A-B cup breasts are trying to outdue your natural state and put on additional glandular extensioning and fat disposition is just a poor argument.
I'm sorry, but you will have to re-word this as it does not make any sense to me, due to the awkward and possibly erroneous syntax. I can honestly only see that you are saying something that I said was a poor argument, but you are unclear as to 1) what was a poor argument and 2) how it was a poor argument. Could you please write what you are trying to say here differently. Thank you.
(05-11-2013, 07:19 PM)LookingForward2NBE Wrote: [ -> ]All us NBE are trying to trick our bodies to put on breast growth.. Being catabolic, decreasing your natural test to testosterone ratio is simply a harmful appraoch for the gains we trying to get.
Its important to be excess calorie state, maximize estrogen and progesterone, keep test low, get sufficient sleep.
Your best chance of putting on breast tissue IMO is not to do rigorous exercise.. Go ahead if you want too but don't be confused as to why you are not seeing results or results are slower then what you hoped for. You can work on body later and get to a balance between breasts and fitness.. And I'll almost guarantee you when do start to be active you'll probably lose breast more quickly then from your waste and hips unless you are digilant with massage.
They're are so many fallacies regarding gh out there its ridiculous.
I am pretty sure I addressed most of this already in one of my last posts. Catabolism is negatively correlated with your diet. One can be in a catabolic state without exercising, and one can be in an anabolic state with exercising (such as myself). People need to be smart if they choose to exercise. I don't think we should assume that all people will NOT be smart when they exercise and hence tell them to avoid it altogether. And, it is unclear what you mean by "decreasing your natural test to testosterone ratio" I assume you meant "est" for estrogen? As that would make sense, I am going to go with that and say hey guess what, testosterone increases with high intensity exercise about as much as HGH does, as they increase
together. If this is a low dose as you say, then they are both low and I am not going to sweat over it, especially since I am already starting to take antiandrogens at a moderately high dose. As for excess calories, and maximizing progesterone and estrogen and minimizing testosterone, I do hope you are exaggerating to make a point. At least from what I have understood in my short time being on this forum, a balance is necessary and you do not want too much of anything. Increasing them to the maximum HEALTHY level, yes, which I do hope is what you were trying to say. But certainly not just to maximize them.
As for rigorous exercise, I don't think with your "go ahead if you want to" comment that you really know what I do. Granted you know that I lift, but you don't know any more than that. If you look at my routine, I only do one high intensity workout a week. This is because I am only trying to build muscle in my lower body, whereas overall body builders try to build muscle all over, so they will have a high intensity workout 5 days out of the week. Yes, THIS would certainly be too much and would effect NBE as I did say in my last post, but as I also said before, a high intensity workout ONCE a week will certainly have very little effect on my NBE progress, if at all. And my upper body workouts (which I haven't done in the past month due to sleeping too much! eh) are not high intensity at all. They are actually kind of a joke. Very light weights and I don't even get my heart rate up. So, that routine is hardly anything to sneeze at when it comes to increasing testosterone, especially with the way I have been sleeping in ridiculous amounts since the start of my new NBE program.
And honestly, I have not argued at all against your point of HGH being very little, as I have only heard that exercise
helps but, how much? No idea. So you may very well be right on that. But I DO know that HGH increases with testosterone so if you are right about the HGH being low, then so is the testosterone increase. And once a week, that cannot do much of any harm at all. Therefore, if my results turn out to be slower than for what I have hoped, it will be because of my body shape (that I am a pear) and possibly from my metabolism (it IS difficult to eat 7 times a day... sometimes I have to cut it back to 6) more than anything else. My once-a-week exercise is not even enough to keep me awake when I want/need to. THAT'S how low I know my testosterone has gotten. So who knows. I just think it is not wise to tell people not to exercise, which is what you wrote in your last post. It is not bad if people refrain from high intensity exercises, but once, maybe even possibly twice a week (depends on the person's body type) shouldn't make much of a difference. An emphasis on not over-doing it is what should be made, as well as a strong emphasis on eating enough and eating right. But yes, exercise (as the kinds you mentioned above) ARE ok and actually are good for circulation and other things that can benefit one's NBE progress.
(05-11-2013, 07:34 PM)LookingForward2NBE Wrote: [ -> ]Careful, your logic goes against the billion dollar industry of how to be fit yet we live in the most unfit nation the world. Its amazing people have still not woken up the fact the healthyist people (who die of old age 90+, centarians etc. almost always never hit a gym, never watched sooooo closely what they ate, typically don't get sick, don't have ache etc.
I addressed the purpose of our health and fitness industry in my response to CancerStrikes and how it happens to ironically be in "the most unfit nation [of] the world."
Again, if long-living people as you say never hit a gym, it's because they are doing some other active exercise. No one ever said "you must hit the gym." To stay on point and to be logical, these people DO exercise. It is ignorant to assume that the only exercise that can be done is done in the gym. And many who have "hit the gym" have lived long lives as well, so... your arguing a point that was never made. The point still remains that exercise is necessary for one's health, regardless of what kind. I defined what exercise is above in response to CancerStrikes.
(05-11-2013, 07:34 PM)LookingForward2NBE Wrote: [ -> ]General easy rule of thumb to be healthy and live a long life is simple:
Eat whole foods, avoid all processed food (tradition meal preparation)
Eat organic meats - avoid modern hormones laced, avoid modern sterile dairy
Eat way less then a normal north American - usually a third.
Live a low stressed life
Sleep lots
Active in the sense of being outdoor and walking and interacting with people
The gym is one the least healthiest you can do for your health. To prevent osteo, all you need to do is bodyweight lite excerises daily like walking, a hop to your step etc. The compression effects solidify bone. But why you want to walk when you can drive and that bs calcium pills that are poorly absorbed, lead to coronary artery disease. To not gain weight, remove all processed food and eat less calories then you use. Eat a variety of natural unprocessed foods.
But where is money in that lol
*sigh* One would not get the amount of nutrition that they need if they ate only a third of the typical American diet. If you want to keep with the whole Asian-way-is-best theme, all the Asians I know (not American Asians, we're still talking Asians) eat A LOT. They have very high metabolisms, eat a lot, eat frequently, and stay active. Boom. There ya have it. As for everything else listed, agreed.
Have been to a gym where they were rude to you and now you have a strong negative taste in your mouth for gyms? I mean, I just don't understand the logic here. There is nothing wrong with a gym. It is a place where people can get the things they need if they don't have it at home, and for many it also functions as a support group for someone struggling to become/stay active. Many people do those body weight exercises of which you wrote in the gym. It's just a PLACE, so how can it be one of the unhealthiest things you can do for your body? Also, there are many more gains to working out other than preventing osteoporosis and not gaining weight. This is why it is not smart to justify being sedentary with eating very little. There are things that exercise provides for us, and things that the extra food provides for us, that we NEED. It is not a simple matter of just calorie counting.
(05-11-2013, 08:18 PM)CancerStrikes2 Wrote: [ -> ]Same principle applied to men (that we women should try to apply to our NBE program too), a lean define skinny chest ie David Beckham, he probably consumed Protein **prior** working out. The fatty large chest as Chris Hemsworth (Thor actor), then he probably eats more protein after his work out routine. Many of my guys friends have tested such theory.
This is very interesting. So does the lean skinny chest
only consume protein before the workout and none after, or are you saying just that they consume MORE before than they do after?
(05-11-2013, 08:58 PM)LookingForward2NBE Wrote: [ -> ]As long as your pituatary is functioning well (hence why its added to some pills), gh will naturally be produced for any growth stimulation that's caused from nbe as long you are not in a healing crisis. See below what I mean by that.
Think of a broken leg, you do nothing different and still heal without any intervention other then mobilization to allow delicate cartlidge matrix to be laid down for calcification.
The htpa (hytothalmus, pituatary axis) is very robust at dealing with growth when needed such as injuries. Trying to boost that is fine, but vigorous exercise cause micro damage which your body will take as a priority as its a critical function like muscle repair, ligament support, osteofication of bones, lung clearing of localized micro edema for increased respiration.. All those are critical life factors that need repair immediately.. Not laying down basements of breast tissue.
Like most of nbe, there is no proof either way regarding gh. What I feel is important is to give yourself the best shot at success cause its such a time and mental commitment to the nbe process that the above makes way way way more sense then working out hard enough to cause a gh transient spike and decreasing your estrogen-test ratio, getting into a state of fat loss when you want to be putting on fat..
Now, this is the first argument against exercise that makes some sense. However, with the amount of sleep that I get (and therefore, as you have mentioned everyone who wants breast growth should get a sufficient amount of sleep) and again only once a week exercising rigorously, the body will not be forced to choose "one or the other" when it comes to building tissue between my legs muscles and my breasts. My body gets enough sleep and enough nutrients to be able to grow both. The muscle break-down is not so major that my body cannot focus on growing other things (I mean, look at children, how they can grow in so many dimensions at once. But yes, the main difference between us and children is that our HGH is significantly lower). But adding a pituitary glandular is not a bad idea when considering this point. Thank you.
And again, I do not exercise for the HGH. I do my high intensity exercise to make my ass and legs more visually appealing than my usual pear fat. And again, exercise is not the cause of losing too much fat, rather it is diet... and that decrease in estrogen-testosterone ratio is temporary ever as much as the HGH is...
(05-11-2013, 09:18 PM)LookingForward2NBE Wrote: [ -> ]Look into 2% milk, it is just as anabloic and better for you then whey. Cheaper too. Just don't do skim or 1% or homogenized.
Whey IS milk, just more processed and easier to digest. Also, there is more protein in a serving, WHICH IS WHY body builders drink it. If they were to get the same amounts they needed just from milk, they'd be drinking around a gallon a day. Also, some add extra amino acids since they know that is what their body builders are looking for.
(05-11-2013, 09:18 PM)LookingForward2NBE Wrote: [ -> ]The protein powder story is just that. A story. Try and find the landmark study where it found the approx. 1g per lb of bodyweight. I can tell you, it wasn't designed they way you might think. I saw it at an old job that I had. The milk producers had an issue with all this whey and took the study and ran with and created an industry that has perpetuated for decades. Same thing with maltodextrin, corn waste. The study was done on 6 people, who will ill, didn't haven't dose escalation and no control group. Whey isolate is te most anabolic form. But taking liquid dairy whey isn't needed for performance. If your ill and not eating or incapable of eating, then cfm whey isolate is a viable option.
Actually, I wonder, do you know the purpose of a supplement? That is what protein powder is. Sure, you can get the same things from your diet, but as supplements usually do, the protein powder is packing more of everything that a muscle builder would want into a small shake. So it is kinda relevant to your point "If your ill and not eating or incapable of eating" because it is very difficult to get all the nutrition that they need just from eating alone. In fact, if they have a life other than eating, it is nearly impossible. I know that I could never eat that much, since I have a pretty small appetite, so I need supplementation. I don't think that protein powder is really necessary or very helpful to those who do not muscle build though, so I am not talking here as the biggest advocate of protein powders. Unless a person insists on taking it, I usually talk them out of it because it is a waste of money if used for anything other than muscle building. But protein powders are not the devil. They are good for what they were intended for. And the 1gram per pound of bodyweight rule-of-thumb is a rough estimate that works for bodybuilders, based on what muscles need when growing, in addition to the amount of protein that is needed on a normal-function basis. That rule does not apply to those who are not building muscle. The rule for those people is more something like a gram count that is 70% of your body weight. Why? Simply because your body is 70% protein, that's why. Incredible, right? Protein is actually a lot more important for one's diet than the general diet-goer is aware.
(05-11-2013, 09:18 PM)LookingForward2NBE Wrote: [ -> ]Athletes are paid to promote protein. Its unneeded and does nothing for a seditary individual or average athlete. You need to be a top athlete to see any benefit and I doubt even at that. Many many of the best athletes in the NFL, nhl, NBA, Olympics have started to stop using it. They perform better on whole nongmo foods. Just fact. Bodybuilders are all steroid users as are a lot of the gym junkies.
Your information is ... anything to back this stuff up? I mean, when you make statements, I give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you got it from somewhere but this is getting a little crazy. First off, most gym junkies are not steroid users. You have just demonstrated the ignorance that results from the common rift/divide between those who enjoy being very physically fit, to those who like to justify talking to their friends and running one or two errands as exercise enough. Just because you see someone incredibly fit and cannot wrap your head around justifying their hard work other than blaming it on steroid use, doesn't make it true. I know plenty of jacked guys who are huge and don't take any steroids. It is very common actually. Of course there are a
few who are on the hormones, but it is not as common as the non-steroid user. And actually, everyone needs protein. I really don't need to elaborate that one, as it is pretty obvious. I don't believe you for a minute when you say that top athletes have stopped consuming protein. In all due respect, not possible. But good for them for going non-GMO. I am gradually trying to get my diet to be non-GMO as well (but this has nothing to do with protein, btw. I will still be able to consume all the protein I want with a non-GMO diet). It is just a matter of getting inexpensive non-GMO foods that is keeping me from not being 100%. And I get an AMAZING source of fiber from this one cereal I eat. I
wish it came in organic, and maybe they will work on that one day, but I would have to eat 15 salads to make up for the fiber I get in that one bowl of cereal. At least the grains are not refined.
(05-11-2013, 09:18 PM)LookingForward2NBE Wrote: [ -> ]Creatine Monohydrate (only mono) is a very useful ingredients for exercise performance. But that said, even the 5g per day of creatine was poor done and taken as the gold standard ever since.
I thought I would share this as proof that just because its marketed, doesn't make it true, necessary or safe. A lot of it just playing to a concern and playing desires to improve themselves with a pill vs doing the hard work.
I really have nothing to say about creatine, since people say it helps them but they deflate as soon as they stop taking it... so... weird to me. Never touched the stuff.
Thank you for sharing. Hopefully, despite the fact that no one said it was necessary, no one thinks it is necessary. It is only necessary for certain situations, for certain goals, and bodily needs. The whole idea of taking protein shakes for NBE made me laugh at first, but then I guess if someone doesn't feel like consuming more protein through their food then hey, that's their preference (getting 70% of your body weight in protein through your diet should not be difficult to do)... but if you notice or ever see my posts on it around this forum, I typically discourage it when used for NBE alone or weight gain. And I really have never heard a protein powder company advertising to help with breast growth or with weight gain, so talking like they are this big lying manipulating scam is a little much. Breast enhancing pills started that ball rolling. I mean, all products need to advertise and exaggerate, but they do advertise to the population who will benefit the most from their product, and that is muscle builders. I can't say it enough, but for muscle building it is pretty darn important. Unless a muscle builder is able to consume that much protein in a day from whole food sources, protein powders are necessary. Pills vs. hard work though? I mean yeah, it would be A LOT harder for me to eat 2-3 more meals a day with 25 grams of protein per each meal, so in that way yes, I am taking the "easier road out." But again, it would never happen for me if I did not have the shakes to supplement. But, I also got a chuckle out of your choice of words... hard work... this whole argument being to exercise vs not to exercise with your argument being for the latter... just funny! I mean, I already put out more work in the exercise and diet department (these are our topics of discussion), and you're going to say I take a short cut for taking some protein supplements? Smh...
. I honestly am a teacher for my career and when someone does not "get it" the first time when told in the brief, then I explain it thoroughly the second time. It is just how I am, and that is how I work, and it really has not failed me so far in helping people. So I apologize if you are turned off my my lengthiness in writing, but if a person "gets it" the first time, then perhaps you can say they are then spared of it 
Meaning, you DO some walking. As for how much that is, only YOU would know (so, I cannot say if you are considered sedentary, moderately active, or active), and you could find that out by wearing a pedometer throughout the day. It would tell you how many miles you walk in all the steps you take throughout the day.