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(26-07-2013, 12:14 AM)chris Martin Wrote: [ -> ][quote='achievedream' pid='79638' dateline='1374767669']
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I appreciate your help and advise guys!

I have a few more questions before i can begin this process, if you all don't mind:

Hi guys, so I have taken the advise you have all given to me into account. I have heard that manuka honey is the best kind of honey for this , but others say it’s not the best kind of honey?
May I ask why you have gone with flower honey, and not any other non-pasturized non heated raw honey?
Will I be ok as long as my honey is raw and unpasteurized, like the examples given? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Raw-Acacia-Honey...=raw+honey
Raw Acacia Honey, Unfiltered and unpasteurized.

I have also heard that manuka honey actually doesn’t help , according to a user on here.
If I can also ask, how do you measure one part guys? Do I add a teasepoon of honey and a teasepoon of water and will that be one part to one? Surely that amount of honey will be too thick to apply on my eyes?
I have also been looking for an eye-dropper, are these empty eyedroppers any good?:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Clear-Glass-Bott...m_sbs_kh_2

Thanks for all the help guys, as soon as I get information back I will basically attempt this. I have read the thread and intend to re-read the important parts again.




Hi guys, so I have taken the advise you have all given to me into account. I have heard that manuka honey is the best kind of honey for this , but others say it’s not the best kind of honey?
May I ask why you have gone with flower honey, and not any other non-pasturized non heated raw honey?
Will I be ok as long as my honey is raw and unpasteurized, like the examples given? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Raw-Acacia-Honey...=raw+honey
Raw Acacia Honey, Unfiltered and unpasteurized.

I have also heard that manuka honey actually doesn’t help , according to a user on here.
If I can also ask, how do you measure one part guys? Do I add a teasepoon of honey and a teasepoon of water and will that be one part to one? Surely that amount of honey will be too thick to apply on my eyes?
I have also been looking for an eye-dropper, are these empty eyedroppers any good?:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Clear-Glass-Bott...m_sbs_kh_2

Thanks for all the help guys, as soon as I get information back I will basically attempt this. I have read the thread and intend to re-read the important parts again.




Hi all,

I just started my eye lightening journey and im really impressed with some of the results i've seen on this thread. However.... Im also kind of sceptical. I think that some pictures could be showing a colour change just because of different lighting. To make sure that my eyes are actually lightening, ive decided im only going to put drops in one eye! This will make i easy to see whther they've actually lightened as even with different types of ligting, i will have two different coloured eyes. Once im convinced it works, ill work to get the other eye lighter.

At the moment my eyes are brown and get an ambery tinge depending on the light. The colour i want is a light ambery brown. I think they look so beautiful and exotic. My mum has brwon eyes and my dads are blue so i hope i can achieve this colour.

My eyes as of right now:

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(27-07-2013, 10:48 AM)Fizi_wizi Wrote: [ -> ]Hi all,

I just started my eye lightening journey and im really impressed with some of the results i've seen on this thread. However.... Im also kind of sceptical. I think that some pictures could be showing a colour change just because of different lighting. To make sure that my eyes are actually lightening, ive decided im only going to put drops in one eye! This will make i easy to see whther they've actually lightened as even with different types of ligting, i will have two different coloured eyes. Once im convinced it works, ill work to get the other eye lighter.

At the moment my eyes are brown and get an ambery tinge depending on the light. The colour i want is a light ambery brown. I think they look so beautiful and exotic. My mum has brwon eyes and my dads are blue so i hope i can achieve this colour.

My eyes as of right now:

Great Idea. I will also be doing this in one eye so i can actually tell if this works for me personally.
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UPDATED RESEARCH:

****INTRODUCTION AND GUIDE - My extensive research in terms of what type of honey to use, in a simple to understand format with proper scientific case studies and graphs***

EDIT: IGNORE MY ADVISE ON WHAT KIND OF HONEY TO GET. BUCKWHEAT HONEY AND WILD-FLOWER HONEY CAN REALLY VARY QUITE WILDLY IN TERMS OF WHAT KIND OF BUCKWHEAT OR WHAT WILD-FLOWERS. THIS WILL BE UPDATED WHEN I GET MORE CONCRETE RESULTS.

Take this graph for example: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles...figure/F1/
and this: http://foodscience.wikispaces.com/Hydrog...ral+honeys

On one hand Manuka Honey does badly, on the other it actually does quite well. JARRAH HONEY, if you can get hold of it , has the highest level of hydrogen peroxide i have seen so far.

Wild-Flower Honey's are a hit and miss, it really depends on what wild-flowers the bee's have pollinated.

Raw Honey-dew honey seems to have quite a high level of hydrogen peroxide, so that's another good bet.

"There has been some research that indicates that honeydew honey also has higher than average antibiotic properties due to higher levels of Glucose Oxidase which leads to the production of Hydrogen Peroxide."
http://www.honeytraveler.com/types-of-ho...est-honey/



Raw vs Processed : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles.../table/T1/

The above table , on the far right shows the hydrogen peroxide content of diluted honey before, and after. As you can all see, on the far far right, the percentage of honey that remains is far lower for almost every kind of honey, post processing. This may be something to do with the decreased levels of the enzyme glucose oxidase, perhaps. Thus it’s best to get a raw , untouched, unfiltered raw organic honey.

Make sure your honey and your honey mixture is kept away from direct sun-light and heat to stop the enzymes from decomposing. Also make sure you do not Boil the water you are going to use, only heat it enough to allow your honey to dissolve nicely with it, or again, you will destroy the vital enzymes in your mixture. As most of you know , hydrogen peroxide is a melanin inhibitor, which is how some of you go from jet-black eyes to medium brown, or how some of you get lighter eyes – I have seen this with my own eyes in this thread, as well as collecting a lot of testimonials.

We are after the hydrogen peroxide in honey. Note, heat and wash your utensils properly, and make a new batch maybe every week to try and avoid infection. Contrary to popular belief, you can lighten your eyes, some of you veterans on this thread who inspired me have seen this yourself. Whether or not it works for me it has worked for many. In addition, many have not done this properly, so if we all do it properly, I am sure our success rate will surely increase.




***STORE YOUR MIXTURE IN AN AMBER-GLASS BOTTLE(OR AN AMBER EYE-DROPPER)***

http://www.aseanfood.info/articles/11014172.pdf

"In raw clover honey, per-
oxide accumulation decreased after storage
at room temperature in plastic (84%) and
clear glass bottles (35%), but increased in
amber glass bottles at room temperature
(42%) and at 4 °C (86%)."

Storing your mixture in an Amber-Glass eye -dropper is not a sure-fire way to get a higher peroxide content, some honey's won't show any significant change, but every little helps.

Here's a very cheap one for UK users, i am sure you can get onto the US version: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Amber-Glass-Bott...m_sbs_kh_2




***HOW MUCH YOU NEED TO DILUTE YOUR HONEY BY***

http://li123-4.members.linode.com/files/...ealing.pdf

Go to page four. The graph clearly shows that honey concentrated at 30% of the solution, to 40% produced the most h202 (hydrogen peroxid). Despite adding more honey and making it even more concentrated, making sure your honey is diluted to these precise concentrations offsets the addition of increased honey, because dilution is a big factor in the production of hydrogen peroxide.

My research also showed me that you need to dilute the honey , as raw honey's P.H naturally won't allow the production of Hydrogen Peroxide. I personally will do a 1:1 dilution. I am no expert, but i think there i a compromise between actual honey and enzyme content and P.H content achieved by dilution. I might buy a P.H measure and try to test just how concentrated i can get my solution to be without compromising on a ph of 6.5-8 which is whats needed and achieved by dilution.




***DO NOT BOIL OR EVEN HEAT UP YOUR DISTILLED WATER TOO MUCH****

4. No external heat should be used with honey lightening. Do not use a blow dryer or sunlight. None of the recipe ingredients should be heated at any time. Heat (except body heat) can destroy hydrogen peroxide by decomposing it to water and oxygen. The peroxide produced by honey is not stabilized the way conventional peroxide is and is much more delicate because of that. It depends on the degree of heat and the amount of time that it is applied to it. Pasteurization does not destroy the enzyme in honey (glucose oxidase) that generates the peroxide.
http://ktanihairsense.blogspot.co.uk/200...aches.html



***WHY THE TALK ABOUT HYDROGEN PEROXIDE - WARNING , DO NOT PUT PURE HYDROGEN PEROXIDE INTO YOUR EYE ***

Hydrogen peroxide in raw honey is activated by dilution. However, unlike medical hydrogen peroxide, commonly 3% by volume, it is present in a concentration of only 1 mmol/l in real raw honey. Iron in raw honey oxidizes the oxygen free radicals released by the hydrogen peroxide.
glucose + H2O + O2 ? gluconic acid + H2O2

When used topically (as, for example, a wound dressing), hydrogen peroxide is produced by dilution with body fluids. As a result, hydrogen peroxide is released slowly and acts as an antiseptic.

And as you all know, hydrogen peroxide is a melanin inhibitor, it can lighten your eyes by helping to reduce the dark pigments in them. Clearly , this process has worked for quite a lot of people. I care more about those with jet-black eyes, because those eyes are usually dark irrespective of lighting. So it’s much more accurate to notice colour-change. Now, to go from jet-black to medium-brown like quite a few here have clearly shows the theory of hydrogen peroxide and melanin inhibition is atleast with what I have seen, concordant so far. It may not work for me, but I will no longer be one of the naysayers who says ‘oh it won’t work’ without not having done any research myself.

CONCLUSION BASED ON EVIDENCE:

1. GO RAW.
2. The best honey is Jarrah but it's hard to get hold of - comes from australia. I would then say Raw Honeydew Honey comes second, followed by Raw Manuka honey.
3. DO NOT BOIL THE WATER, HEAT IT LUKE WARM ENOUGH TO DISSOLVE THE HONEY. OR AS LOW OF A TEMPERATURE AS YOU CAN HEAT IT, MAKE SURE IT IS NOT OVER ROOM TEMPERATURE.
4. DILUTE IT ENOUGH BUT NOT TOO MUCH - YOU NEED THE P.H TO BE BETWEEN 6-7.5/8 , WHICH IS WHEN THE ENZYME GLUCOSE OXIDASE CAN PRODUCE THE HYDROGEN PEROXIDE. SO DILUTE IT 1:1 OR 1:2 HONEY:WATER.
5. MAKE SURE IT'S IN A COOL, DARK PLACE, AWAY FROM SUN-LIGHT.
6. CLEAN AND DRY YOUR UTENSILS, MAYBE MAKE A NEW BATCH EVERY SO-OFTEN.
7. BE PATIENT. WE HAVE DIFFERENT GENETICS AND DIFFERENT PIGMENTATION VARIATIONS, BUT JUST GO ACROSS THIS THREAD AND THE TESTIMONIALS ONLINE WHERE PEOPLE WITH JET-BLACK EYES HAVE NOTICED IT GO MEDIUM/LIGHT-BROWN, AND A FEW RARE ONES HAVE NOTICED THEIR EYES GO HAZEL. EVEN OUR EYES NEED TO FOLLOW THE LAWS OF THE UNIVERSE.


THIS WAS DEDICATED TO ALL THE USERS ON THIS THREAD WHO HELPED AND CONTRIBUTED. WISH ME LUCK AS I BEGIN MY JOURNEY TOO!
The following was from a poster who made a wonderful post many pages back, i am bringing it here for people to read:

• First and foremost, I would not advise anyone to use tap water or bottled water on their eyes. Tap water contains traces of a multitude of contaminants, even after boiled and filtered. This is why you want to use 100% pure H2O, which can likely be obtained at your local pharmacy, depending on where you live. Just look for distilled water. If you can't find it anywhere, you could resort to making your own distilled water at home by collecting the water vapor released from boiling water into a sterile container. Be careful not to burn yourself with the water vapor.
• Most importantly, you do not want use regular supermarket-bought honey, even if they have an "organic" tag on them. This is often nothing more than a marketing gimmick. The type of honey you want to use is raw honey. Raw honey is pure, unprocessed, unpasteurized honey. You can usually tell them apart by looking at how milky the honey is. If the honey is very transparent and liquid, it's most likely pasteurized. Raw honey on the other hand tends to be very murky, opaque, and crystallizes faster than pasteurized honey. If your honey is fully or partially crystallized, it's still perfectly suitable for use.
• Why should I use raw, non-pasteurized honey? Well it turns out that industrialized honey must look appealing to the customer, above all. Pasteurizing honey simply means that the honey is heated up to a very high temperature before being bottled. This serves to destroy yeast cells and delay the onset of crystallization in the honey.
• So what if it's been heated up? All raw honey contains an enzyme called glucose oxidase. When honey is mixed with water (distilled water), This enzyme undergoes a reaction which produces hydrogen peroxide, which is the "bleaching" agent that lightens the color of your iris. However, when honey is heated up, this enzyme is destroyed, making pasteurized honey practically useless when it comes to its bleaching power. Using pasteurized honey will either delay your results or completely negate them.
• Exposure to sunlight is a bad thing for both the honey and your honey/water solution (as well as your eyes!), since sunlight also destroys the honey's precious glucose oxidase. I was lucky to find a shop that sells raw honey directly from a farmer's market, where all bottles are kept in a cool, dark place. This is also something you should keep in mind when storing your honey jar and your solution container. No need to keep it in the fridge, unless it's really hot where you live.
• What's the right honey/water mix? There isn't a rule-of-thumb ratio you should always use, as the most important factor is the resulting pH of your mixture. There are hundreds of types of honey out there, and they each have a different pH (between ~3 and ~5, they are all acidic). The glucose oxidase enzyme present in honey only produces hydrogen peroxide at pH levels between 5.5 and 7. This is why we have to mix water with the honey - it elevates the honey's pH, allowing the release of hydrogen peroxide. Since the pH of distilled water is 7 (neutral), high-pH honeys need less water in the mixture. Conversely, more acidic (lower pH) honeys need more water. You'll want your honey/water solution to have a pH as close to 5.5 as possible. The reason for this is because honey + water + the right pH is not all it takes for honey to release hydrogen peroxide. When the honey mixture comes in contact with your eyes, your tears will further elevate the pH of the solution to just the right level, on top of adding calcium (naturally present in tears) to the mix, which is essential to activate the glucose oxidase and break it down into hydrogen peroxide.
• pH Test Strips These can be found at your local swimming pool shop. After preparing your honey/water solution, put a few drops of the mixture on the pH test strip. If the pH reads below ~5.5, add a more water. If it's above ~5.5, add more honey.
• Do not boil the honey. Ever. Don't even mix it with hot or boiling water, or you'll destroy the honey's glucose oxidase. If your honey is crystallized or you're having trouble mixing it with water, you may heat up the water, but only to a lukewarm temperature in order to allow the honey to dissolve in the water.
• Adding more honey to the mixture does not make the iris-lightening process go any faster. In fact it will either slow it down or not work at all. As we established above, the pH of the solution must be right so that hydrogen peroxide can be released. Adding too much honey will turn your solution too acidic, making it impossible to activate the glucose oxidase present in the honey and preventing the release of hydrogen peroxide.
• What type of honey should I purchase? While there is no general rule of thumb on this, you'll want the honey with the highest concentration of glucose oxidase. This concentration depends on the type of flora the honey is derived from, the climate/weather, age and health of the bees, as well as the presence of pollutants such as herbicide/insecticide in the bee colony's habitat. Despite all this, it's generally accepted that (raw) Honeydew honey and Eucalyptus honey have some of the highest concentrations of this enzyme, although honeydew honey is more of a sure-shot in comparison to Eucalyptus honey.
• Don't over-use it and don't over-dose. Stick to applying 2-3 drops per eye, 3 times a day, and leave your head facing up until the burning sensation ceases. Over-use of this mixture may cause eye irritation, which can lead to a more serious condition if used without moderation.
• Clean out your eye-drop container at least once a week and sterilize it in boiling water (preferably distilled).
I am beggining my journey as soon as my honey and pippete comes.

I have now cancelled the Manuka and am going with raw honeydew honey, because it has superior hydrogen-peroxide producing capacity to Manuka honey. Manuka honey also may not contain as high a level as i want, some manuka honey variants have Non peroxide activity, so that worried me.

According to this graph: http://foodscience.wikispaces.com/Hydrog...ral+honeys

It does indeed release a decent ammount of hydrogen peroxide, though honeydew releases more. I was unsure about the reliability of some of the suppliers, and the honey i am purchasing seems very reliable.

Unlike Manuka Honey, other brands can be a hit and miss - depending on what flowers the bee's pollinated and such, so i wanted to stick to my guns and keep manuka.

As i am putting this into my eyes, i want to make sure it will not infect me , and Manuka above all has added protection against infections.


My honey:http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Zealand-Honey-Co-Honeydew/dp/B006FHE6MA/ref=sr_1_2?s=grocery&ie=UTF8&qid=1375118862&sr=1-2&keywords=New+Zealand+Honey+Co

My 30ml Amber Pippete bottle: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00AJ...UTF8&psc=1

Like a user here, i will lighten my right eye only until i believe it is working, where i will give my own testimonial.

There are many factors that can explain why it may not work, which is why i have gone to lengths to reduce human error infecting this experiment - i.e mixing the ingredients wrong, getting the wrong honey,and so on.

If this Honey does not work after a month, i will try the HoneyDew Raw Organic honey in it's place and see if i can tell the difference.

I start with Medium-Dark brown eyes that have a lot of golden rings in them but they are thin and wonky and quite faint, and 3m away, my eyes look dark-medium brown.

My eyes go very bright in the sun, i have noticed it go yellowy-brown to red-brown.

My goal is to have it like it is in the sun, but in normal lights.

I will make my own distilled water - tap water or bottled water can contain minerals that will thwuart the hydrogen peroxide.
(27-07-2013, 10:48 AM)Fizi_wizi Wrote: [ -> ]Hi all,

I just started my eye lightening journey and im really impressed with some of the results i've seen on this thread. However.... Im also kind of sceptical. I think that some pictures could be showing a colour change just because of different lighting. To make sure that my eyes are actually lightening, ive decided im only going to put drops in one eye! This will make i easy to see whther they've actually lightened as even with different types of ligting, i will have two different coloured eyes. Once im convinced it works, ill work to get the other eye lighter.

At the moment my eyes are brown and get an ambery tinge depending on the light. The colour i want is a light ambery brown. I think they look so beautiful and exotic. My mum has brwon eyes and my dads are blue so i hope i can achieve this colour.

My eyes as of right now:


I actually thought about doing it with only one of my eyes for the same reason. But I think I just cant wait to get results on both xD

You have very beautiful eyes and, if I could see it right and I'm not mistaken, you seem to have a few lighter spots on your eyes.
I wonder if it is because your father has blue eyes. Cause eye color is determined by a different combination of genes and not only one.

I also have a few lighter spots on my dark brown eyes. Both my parents have brown eyes, but my mom's are lighter than mine (they have some kind of green mix -not hazel). My grandma has green eyes, not that kind of shinny but green, so I hope that will make it easier for me to get a lighter color.

I would be very interested to follow your progress then Smile
I'm back on this thread.

All I have to say is that there are many dumbasses, uneducated people on here, that can't understand what they read.

How dumb can you be? How many times does somebody have to answer questions that have already been answered.

I'm going to repeat myself one more time. Use raw unpasteurized beiged colored honey, in a glass jar. Manuka honey is garbage for this journey!

If you are black and have dark genes you will take months more than likely years to lighten. It might not even work for some. Just because somebody had good results with something, doesn't mean you will.

Everybody is different. You are more likely to have awesome results if you have any BLOOD relatives, or family members who have any light features.

When you order honey online you don't know how fresh it is.

Good Luck DUMBASSES!