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So the rest of my bottles arrived today (check out the last few boxes!) and I’m ready to start my program!
I’ll be taking the following daily amounts.

Alfalfa - 500 mg
Barley - 1000 mg
Borage - 1000 mg
Fennel - 480 mg
Fenugreek - 2440 mg
Flaxseed - 1000 mg
Hops - 1860 mg
Wild Oats - 500 mg
Saw Palmeto - 2160 mg
Soy - 160 mg
Wild Yam - 1000 mg

I will also take 2 collagen pills a day and take 2x500mg Pueraria Mirifica pills per day for the first 14 days of my cycle.
WOW, that’s 36-38 pills PER DAY but I'm hopeful it will be worth it.
I’m still not sure which ones I will take at night and which I will take in the mornings with or without food but I’ll keep everyone posted.
Any and all advice would be welcome!! Here I go, taking the plunge!!Big Grin
wait you are taking 36 pills a day Huh
are you sure that is healthy?
Oooo herbs....gimme GIMME!!!! haha I think you might want to introduce the herbs little by little. Take a small dosage of a certain one, then ramp it up slowly, then add another herb at a low dosage and ramp slowly again, until you are taking all you want. I do not know what would happen if you introduce all of these at once; are you going to feel well or not, is your body going to be happy or not.
I have no idea if it's safe... Sad
I was kinda freaking out last night when I was dividing up all the pills.
I just have no clue which ones to start with or even if I should take them at certain times during my cycle??Huh
Any ideas? Does anyone know if any of these herbs work against each other? Meaning, if I take it will it work against another herb I am taking?

Anyone know if there is there a chart that covers all the supplements indicating when you should take them and which ones you should never mix?
UPDATE:
I have decided to ONLY take the supplements for now.
Maybe I will add PM in the future when I learn HOW to add it to my program.
I've read that some herbs may work against PM but I'm still not sure which ones???

Once I know for sure I may start taking the herbs with PM.
Actually Valerie, PM shouldn't be mixed with other herbs because it's already a really strong phytoestrogen and adding more would be useless and most likely unsafe. I think that some people use it with goat's rue though. You may be interested in Ginie's program http://breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=7251&pid=26225#pid26225 or idreamofD's http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8982

So I guess you have the choice between a program using several herbs, or one with PM only.

And don't forget to massage !

Good luck.
Thank you Onicemile!!
I have been sooo confused about everything that I'm taking. I know for sure now, I should only take on or the other. I'm just gunna stick with the herbs for a while and put the PM on hold until I am more familiar with how to use it. I thought I read someones post that said PM only worked for them if they took it with Saw Palmeto, but maybe I'm wrong.

So as of right now I'm just going to take the herbs with NO cycling.
I believe PM is the only thing that requires cycling...?
(hope that's right)

Big Grin
Kinda discouraged... It's been since early Feb. that I've been on this program and i see 100% no difference. Getting really sad. Frustrated.
Hey Valerie, what was your program during those 3 months ?
I second Onicemile. What exactly were you taking, and how were you taking it? Were you using a topical?

Because you bought so many different herbs, there are a LOT of options available to you. I'll try to list some programs that have a good track record. Some of these will require you to buy 1 or 2 more herbs, and stop taking some of the others, but you probably need to restock some of your herbs by now anyway.

Wahaika's recommended program:
This was originally designed for his wife. I copy/pasted the following from his site, which is currently closed to new members. I edited it for length and clarity, and added one or 2 notes of my own, but the program itself is all his. Sorry to type it all out. It's long, but I couldn't find a good link outside his blog

Herb dosage depends on the age, height, weight, current bra size, bra size while breastfeeding, and hormonal characteristics. The oil dosages are basically standard, and will work for just about everyone.
The following program includes the maximum dosages. You'll need to be extremely aware of the physical effects, both good and bad. Stop ramping up once you experience swelling or growing pains. Start with 2000 mg for an A cup, 500 mg less for every inch below an A cup. You may need more or less. If you take too much, you'll stall. Only experimentation will let you know what dosage is best for you. Ramp up by one herbal pill a day until you reach the recommended dose for your size. Remain at that dose for at least 10 days until you feel growing pains. If nothing happens, try increasing the dose again, beginning with FG. Keep in mind that some women apparently grow without ever feeling pains. There's no need to ramp up on the oils or topicals. Just go straight to the full dose shown here.

Fenugreek .............. 1000mg X 3 times daily (3000mg daily) *
Saw Palmetto ......... 1000mg X 3 times daily (3000mg daily)
Mexican Wild Yam ... 1000mg X 3 times daily (3000mg daily)

EPO (Evening Primrose Oil) .....1000mg X 3 times daily (3000mg daily)
Flax Seed Oil...................... 1000mg X 3 times daily (3000mg daily)

Additions:
A multivitamin with a potent B complex. B12 should be no less than 50mcg. You could also just take the multi and the B complex separately.

Massage/topicals:
Daily massage-with fenugreek batter for about 5 minutes followed by heat from a heated pad set to low, or "corn bag", or hot towel from dryer for about 30 minutes each night. (twice per day is better) Leave the concoction on all night.

Tea:
Tea made with 1 tsp of powdered fenugreek and 1 tsp of fennel. Put in a coffee filter and tie with string or a close pin. Boil it in 1 or 2 cups of water for 20 minutes.

Cycling variation of Wahaika's program (Post #6):
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5739&highlight=wahaika%27s+program
He says this program might be even better suited to very small cup sizes than his regular program. Most people are also much less likely to stall on a cycling program, and it's a lot cheaper too. BTW, I'm not sure, but I think he forgot to include the 3000 mg of EPO daily. I don't think he left it out intentionally. There were other times that he posted this program, and he always included the EPO. He has also recommended liquid PM extract as a topical combined with FG if you feel the program needs a boost. You would rub in both extracts completely, followed by coconut oil as a carrier, and possibly borage oil and/or a vitamin E capsule.

Eve's program: http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5599&highlight=eve%27s+program

HBA program (It imitates a pill called Herbal Breast Actives which has been discontinued):
500mg/day fenugreek (Greenbush)
500mg/day fennel (Greenbush)
500mg/day saw palmetto (Greenbush)
500mg/day wild yam (Greenbush)
500mg/day hops (herbalcom.com or Nature's Way)
500mg/day goat's rue (herbalcom.com)
780mg/day blessed thistle (Natures Way)
1000mg/day Pumpkin seed or pumpkin seed oil (Solaray)
435mg/day Nettle leaf or nettle root (Natures Way)
600mg/day Black Currant Seed Oil (Solaray)

1000mg EPO three times per day or 1000mg Borage oil
1000mg flaxseed oil three times per day
A good multivitamin with B complex

Teas:
fenu-fennel tea
goat's rue-fennel tea

Topical:
Regular FG batter and heat.


Note from me: The dosages in the HBA program above are very low because they were designed for me personally by Wahaika. I'm a AAA, so please keep that in mind. I have no idea what the max dosages are for this program. BTW, there's also another pill called Breast Actives, which is still being made, but it has nothing to do with Herbal Breast Actives, and it doesn't have a good track record around here. Googling "Herbal Breast Actives" brings up the site for Triactol cream, which is also completely unrelated. A user on the old board, called Mominator, had AMAZING results on HBA, but she deleted almost all of her program posts for privacy reasons. She did eventually stall on HBZ for some reason, but she didn't loose her growth. I figured it was worth mentioning, just in case. I'm not sure why she stalled, since her info is now lost forever. After that, she switched to Wahaika's recommended program and grew a lot more. At one point I kept a list of people I believed to be the all-time top growers, and she was easily in the top 5, both for rate of growth and total growth. Unfortunately I can't remember how much she grew, and can't look it up again.

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