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PM...Are they telling us everything?
October 17 2009 at 3:16 PM Philli (no login)
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Hi Girls, My name is Philli. I tried creating an account here but 'Philli' is already being used by somebody else.
Anyway, I want to add a little about PM and all the negative reports...are those users telling us everything?
I've been using it for over 4 years...everyday. I was a B when I started taking it..for health improvement reasons, although I was told about the side effect by the person who recommended it...a chinese girlfriend of mine. I am now an E and I put the growth down to a combination of PM and regular use of the Noogleberry system. I have NEVER had any problems with it.
Here's what I think is happening. Those users who had negative side effects probably didn't take the manufacturers advice and take only 1 tab a day....(300 mg recommended), instead they were impatient and probably overdosed up to 900 or 1200 a day in an effort to get bigger ....much bigger boobs. This, I believe is what caused the problems they encountered....BUT they didn't tell us that they were being stupid and trying to rush things...they just said PM is bad for you.
Well Girls, the world is full of bimbos who think they know everything. All I will say is this...If you are not sure...dont take it, because if you do, you will worry about it, and every single ache and pain you get after that, you will blame on PM.
Author Reply
Ashley
(no login) Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? October 17 2009, 8:57 PM
Philli,
I don't think that anyone on this forum is a bimbo. Wanting learning doesn't qualify you as a bimbo.
Just because someone had a negative experience with PM, it doesn't mean that PM is bad. Everyone's body is different. PM will affect everyone differently. It is great that you got results with PM and noogleberry, but don't think that everyone will get results from PM.
The point of this forum is to share experiences whether they are good or bad. One person's mistakes could help someone else, vice versa. Many people try numerous things until they find something that works for their body.
Bella got great results from taking PM at doses of 900mg.
See her picture page: http://www.breastnexus.com/bellabb.html
"Here's what I think is happening. Those users who had negative side effects probably didn't take the manufacturers advice and take only 1 tab a day....(300 mg recommended), instead they were impatient and probably overdosed up to 900 or 1200 a day in an effort to get bigger ....much bigger boobs."
You clearly have not looked at any other manufacturer than the one you have dealt with. Before getting ahead of yourself and making such a bold statement like this, look at some of the manufacturers. Many of them are suggesting 800-1000mg. Here are some of the more popular brands I have seen used and the suggested milligrams of each:
Pueraria UK-1000mg
St.herb- 800mg
Ainterol- 1000mg
Bellas PM- 900mg
Best Thai Deals- 1000mg
The women are simply following the instructions given to them when they buy the product. Alot of women don't even know forums like this exist where they could get info about PM and breast enhancement that is almost completely unbiased. So women buy the PM then search for further info and find forums like this one explaining why they shouldn't take such high doses of PM. I don't think any of the women are stupid, they are women are learning. There's a big difference. When you seek out info on something you know nothing about, actually makes you informed. I am sure there are somethings you don't know as well.
I can't really say if high doses or low doses are more effective because they are so many variables at play. Especially, the variability in each woman's body. Some women will experience side effects due to PM and it not being compatible with their body in particular, I also don't think that is blaming it on the PM.
I am just wondering Philli, do you have some vested interest in PM? You seem to take it personally that some women have negative things to say about PM. Surely you can understand everyone is not going to have the same experience with PM. I guess you didn't see all the good things people have also said about PM.
mfg
(no login) Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? October 18 2009, 4:51 AM
philli
you are correct. No responsible manufactuer will market PM capsules for breast enhancement. By virtue of
making pm capsules for sale in large amounts say something about the people making them and selling them
They're stupid.........and if you use it in that fashion what does that say about your judgement. You are
correct. PM is safe but you should be using topicals.....they work better......many people want a miracle and
simply are not patient.
You will never see the large supplement companies make PM for breast enlargement. There are a few stupid ones
out there nutracorp is large.....and just don't get it.
I have no problem saying stupid.....its appropriate!
Philli
(no login) Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? October 18 2009, 12:56 PM
How about that... 1 pro, 1 contra.
Ashley, I do my PM shopping in Ebay, Germany...because I live here. In all the years of buying it, I have never seen it advertized in any quantity other than 300mg...with the exception of one company who sell it in 500mg. They go to great lengths to sell it as a health product and clearly define the breast growth as a side effect. Obviously in this world of vanity in which we live today, it has become its major selling point, however, the manufacturers/producers state the recommended daily dosage of their product....and they should know.
I stand by what I said.... many girls deliberately overdose in an effort to get bigger boobs quicker, thereby ignoring the risk that they may be taking to achieve their goal. Obviously some are successful and do not suffer from any negative effects whilst others do.
I'm simply saying that those who had negative effects probably, maybe, could have overdosed on it and are not telling.
MfG, thanks, yes some people are indeed stupid.. They go through their early years of womenhood eating all the wrong things and desperately wanting a super model skinny figure then realise that men aren't attracted to girls with small boobs. Off the catwalk, it's a boobs world, and so they frantically try to put some shape into thier skin and bone figure. In my late teens, the only girls I knew with A or AA boobs were 12 or 13 years old. I was quite satisfied with my Bs and would still be had it not been for a decline in my health 5 years ago (Bronchitis) which prompted me to use PM to improve circulation.. Hubby liked the idea of the side effect and well...one thing led to another.
Tiran1
(Login Tiran1) mfg October 18 2009, 6:21 PM
I just have one question about topicals...i mentioned somwhere before that it is quite a hussle for cosmetic companies to create good carriers of active ingredients that will deliver it beyond superficial layer of skin...i keep thinking ,how it is different with pm? how will it reach receptors, etc...?
i am not negative about it, don't get me wrong..i just want to understand it better...
also, i think choosing good topicals is very difficult..i am confused((
Kate
(no login) Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? October 25 2009, 4:57 PM
How do you stop the weight gain,, stomach fat while doing a PM program?
Philli
(no login) Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? October 27 2009, 3:24 PM
Kate, I wasn't aware there was a weight gain problem attached to PM. But if you are concerned about stomach fat...lay off the fast food junk and all the other rubbish that contributes to weight gain. Do more exercise and get off your butt more often....meant in a nice way. Have a nice day.
Tiran1
(Login Tiran1) Philli October 28 2009, 11:56 AM
Philli, did you follow 15 days on/15 days off programme with PM????
Kate
(no login) Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? October 28 2009, 1:11 PM
Philli,, you might as well not commented at all. If you had done any research at all, you would know that alot of breast enhancement herbs cause weight gain for the majority, PM being no exception. I do have a good diet and I am active, so why would you even comment when you don't even know that facts about my situation. An of the cuff answer like that helps no one. Sandy has also had stomach weight gain while on PM, are you going to give her the same useless advise?
Philli
(no login) Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? October 28 2009, 10:24 PM
No. I just take one PM a day now and dont give it any thought.
Philli
(no login) Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? October 30 2009, 10:09 AM
Kate, you refer to PM as ..'doing a PM program'. In this day and age when only Vanity seems to matter, people simply overlook the fact that PM is a health product which is available on the open market for anyone who wishes to use it. The fact that breast enlargement is a TEMPORARY SIDE EFFECT, has become its major selling point. There is no such thing as a 'program' for PM...you simply take one or two a day and generally improve your health.
See, like I said, people are only to quick to blame PM for all kinds of ailments that they may get whilst they are using it, because they overdose on it thinking it will give them huge boobs if they take more than the recommended daily dosage.
I apologize if my 'off hand' comment offended you. I personally have never had any problems with PMs but then...I dont take any other pills or food/health substitues with my daily intake. Never have.
Here's what Wikipedia says: The significant thing about the marketing of pueraria extracts on the web is that, unlike a host of herbal treatments claiming to enlarge breasts but having little or no effect (e.g. fenugreek, saw palmetto) or others having serious toxicities (e.g., black cohosh), pueraria actually works as claimed (when the product is genuine) and has not been shown to have significant toxicities
blue_sardine
(no login) kate - stomach weight gain October 30 2009, 3:21 PM
hey kate,
I got fatter thighs while using bellas pm, which was NOT what i wanted at all! I know everyone is different, but what worked for me was to lower the dose of internal pm (from 900 - 250 per day) and shorten the cycle from 14 days a month down to 10. I also started to really concentrate on massaging with topicals. This has been much better for me, and though my thighs are still a tiny bit heavier than before, it's not too bad. I've started going on a couple of good fast walks a week, which is helping to keep excess weight off other places while my boobs grow. Good luck!
Snowflake
(Login GoldSnowflake)
EVE MEMBERS Philli? November 12 2009, 11:12 AM
So Philli if you take 300mgs cap of PM everyday, does it effect your period? are you still regular and have a period every month? Really interested in hearing from you, thinking of trying it this way? Have you had any weight gain over the 4 years you have been taking it? Everyday?? no break for a week? Awaiting you reply.
Tina Z
(Login tinaz408)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? November 13 2009, 12:08 AM
Actually, Philli previously said she was taking 4 pills a day. At 300mg that's 1200mg a day! Everyday! Apparently she had no adverse side effects from taking such a high dosage.
It is funny because she said earlier that "are they telling us everything?", saying that girls on here are overdosing which is why PM gives them side effects. It seems that every woman's body is the same so PM should work for everyone, at least Philli is spreading that word!
I think 300mg a day everyday may be fine, if you are lacking estrogen. But I wonder what kind of PM she was taking. Personally, I would say that is a weaker type of PM. Especially if you can take so much without anything side effects.
I had asked Philli what color the powder was inside of the pills and she said I was asking dumb questions. I asked some sellers on ebay and the powder is brown. I am not sure what that means but I know Bella's and some other brands are either beige or white.
If anyone can help me to understand why there are 3 different colors of PM, that would be great! Because I am thinking there should be some consistency, if they are all PM.
Philli
(no login) Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? November 17 2009, 2:18 PM
Hello Snowflake. When I started taking PM over 4 years ago,..as I said..it was recommended to me by a Chinese friend (female). I had just got over a very bad winter flu which led to bronchitis and I was pretty weak and had lost a lot of weight. I knew nothing about PM or the existence of such Forums as this and never even worried about the size of my breasts.. I was, and had been, a B since my 20s. After my illness my boobs looked like they were drained and were saggy and 'empty'. My main concern was to get well and get back to my normal weight..I was down to 135 pounds and I should have been around 155 for my height. Over the months I just ate and ate good wholesome food again and took PM as a supplement. She told me about the 'side effect', but it was never a concern...my main concern was getting fit and healthy again. I believe the original ones were only 100mg and I was taking 4 a day. I later changed to 300mg and took 2 a day. After a year, I had not only, reached my optimal weight again...without getting fat... but had also increased my bust size to C.
So you see, I was taking PM for all the other benefits it brings and not purely for breast enhancement. Seems to me that most girls only buy it for that reason and dont CARE about all the other things it can do for the system.
And Tina Z, this is what Wikipedia has to say about PM: There are 4 varieties of kwao krua that are considered beneficial and can be used for medicinal, food supplementary and cosmetic purposes. They are White Kwao Krua (Pueraria mirifica), Red Kwao Krua (Butea superba), Black Kwao Krua and Dull Grey Kwao Krua. Local communities in Thailand have used Pueraria mirifica for well over one hundred years, specifically for its supposed rejuvenating qualities.
Philli
(no login) Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? November 17 2009, 2:42 PM
Oh, Snowflake, She never mentioned anything about not taking them during my periods...so I never stopped during that time. As regards that point, I never had any problems in that area.. I'm not a born worrier like a lot of people who bring things on themselves by worrying and brooding over things that happen to others. Even the manufacturers dont mention that point in their daily dosage recommendations.
When I read on here about what girls are desperately doing to increase thier breast size, like taking PM, MSM, Fenugreek, Saw Palmetto, EVERYDAY, in huge quantities, its no wonder thier metabolism is screwed up.
You wont find any of those other products that I just listed being sold and advertized as breast enhancment products. Why?? Because the producers daren't make a statement that they know to be untrue. PM on the other hand, is known to work and it has been scientifically proved....as a side effect... which can be maintained if smaller doses are continued to be taken after the first 3 to 4 months. Like I said, I take it for its other benefits..skin, hair, nails, circulation...those things which keep me healthy.
lemon vanilla
(Login lemonvanilla) For Philli November 23 2009, 12:42 AM
Hey Philli,
I'm just starting on PM and I definitely want your opinion. You seem real and have great results.
So first of all here is my program, I'm taking one PM of 500 mg per day w/massage and hypnosis ringtone stuff. I'm seeing results but I figured I would ask you for your advice as well. What else could you recommend that I include in my program?
And on another note, I'm moving to Germany next month. And I really dislike ebay, however that is the only place I can find my PM pills. Could you tell me your seller on deutsches Ebay?
Und bist du Deutsche? Wenn ja, vielleicht du wurdest wissen, ob es echte wissenschaftliche Rechechierung fuer PM in Deutschland gibt? I look everywhere for reports but find nothing..
Philli
(no login) Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? November 23 2009, 11:40 AM
Hello everybody. Anyway, Lemon Vanilla, as far as your program goes, the only thing I can recommend is getting hold of some Noogleberry domes and getting into the habit of Noogling. It will help to fill you out much quicker and you will see more growth....much more.
carla
(Login carlaa1124) Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? November 23 2009, 2:26 PM
YOUR GOING TO HAVE A TOUGH TIME GETTING PM CAPSULES IN GERMANY. THEY ARE VERY STRICK WITH SUPPLEMENTS.
CREAM IS ALOT BETTER THAN WILD CAPSULES...there is no comparison if you use a cream with a high quality extract.
You might be able to get cream there I don't know.
Philli
(no login) Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? November 23 2009, 2:58 PM
Nonsense Carla. Ebay Germany is full of Ads for PM...direct from Thailand. Delivery is usually 7 to 10 days if you use Paypal. In all my years of buying them that way, I've never had any problems.
Tiran1
(Login Tiran1) carla November 23 2009, 6:41 PM
Any example of good quality cream in this case?
Thanks
Philli1
(Login Philli1) Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? November 27 2009, 5:17 PM
Snowflake and TinaZ, I replied to your questions over a week ago. I apologize if you think I ignored you...that's not my style.
Snowflake, you seem to be using the Ainterol 500mg tablets. They are made from cultivated PM and not grown in Thailand. The secret of PM is in the nutrients that it extracts from the soil...Ainterol doesn't work. You are better off using original 300mg tablets and they are a lot cheaper. dont worry if you cant read the bottle...just take two a day.
TinaZ, here's what Wikipedia says about PM: There are 4 varieties of kwao krua that are considered beneficial and can be used for medicinal, food supplementary and cosmetic purposes.[citation needed] They are White Kwao Krua (Pueraria mirifica), Red Kwao Krua (Butea superba), Black Kwao Krua and Dull Grey Kwao Krua. Local communities in Thailand have used Pueraria mirifica for well over one hundred years, specifically for its supposed rejuvenating qualities.
Carla.. PM is readily avaialble in Germany through Ebay. I have been buying mine there for over 4 years. Delivery is usually 7 to 10 days if you use Paypal.
GoldSnowflake
(Login GoldSnowflake)
EVE MEMBERS Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? November 27 2009, 5:47 PM
NO,,,, I used Bella's. Had went from a A cup to a B cup. and need more product, but want to try 300mgs instead of higher. But what I want to know is if you take it everyday, even when you have your period. 300mgs everyday without breaks, I thought thats what I read Philli does or Carla.
GoldSnowflake
(Login GoldSnowflake)
EVE MEMBERS Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? November 27 2009, 5:50 PM
Someone here reported thay take it everyday like an ordinary supplement. But how does that effect your cycle, is it delayed???? And no I have never tried Anristol only Full Potencial, which is garbage, and Bella's, which I love except for the tummy fat.
Philli1
(Login Philli1) Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? November 27 2009, 7:23 PM
Hi Goldsnowflake. I cant speak for anybody else, but I was never told to stop taking them during my periods and so I have taken PM everyday since over 4 years now. I've never experienced any irregularity whatsoever. Incidently I was a B when I started taking them, primarily for my health since I had been very ill. I wasn't concerned about breast growth at all, although I was told that they would probably increase in size. My Hubby liked that idea. Anyway, After a year and getting my health and lost weight back I was up to a C and so, with the help of Noogleberry, I helped them along a bit...quite a bit. Now I am an E cup.
Snowflake
(Login GoldSnowflake)
EVE MEMBERS Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? November 27 2009, 7:50 PM
Great,, so you did take it everyday like a nutritional supplement. good to know. And how many mgs per day then? And your periods were OK? Thanks for replying and any more detail you want to add is welcome. Ya, I don't know about buying from over seas,, I am in Canada and its handy for me just to buy from Bella's,,, we don't have PM here at all,, that I have been able to find in the last 2 years, so Thats why I buy from the States. Like I said any detail about how you have been while taking PM and dosage is welcome and thanks again.
Snowflake
(Login GoldSnowflake)
EVE MEMBERS Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? November 27 2009, 7:53 PM
Ya,, just a note,, I have search every web site up for the last 2 years or so looking for PM,, also alot of PM mixed with other herbs and that is not at all what I wanted. If you could post and links to PM that are easy to obtain, I would be interested,, thanks!!!!
Philli1
(Login Philli1) Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? November 27 2009, 8:35 PM
Snowflake, if you go into Ebay and scroll to the bottom of the startside you will see a listing of all the other Ebays worldwide. Click on Great Britain and it with take you to the British Site. Type Pueraria Mirifica in the search and it will open the page. There are currently 110 entries for PM. If you are a member of Ebay, you can log on with your Canadian ID and it will recognize you all allow you to make a purchase. Paypal is all they accept, but if you make the purchase, the amount will be automatically converted into Canadian Dollars at todays rate and deducted from your account.
I just looked and found this. These are what I am using right now.
300mg. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/300-x-PUERARIA-MIR...2556a8ec54
Philli1
(Login Philli1) Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? November 27 2009, 8:39 PM
Oops....dont include 300mg in the link.. This is correct.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/300-x-PUERARIA-MIR...2556a8ec54
Snowflake
(Login GoldSnowflake)
EVE MEMBERS Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? November 27 2009, 8:52 PM
Thanks Philli!!!!
James Chin
(Login lobamax) Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? May 22 2011, 7:00 AM
According to Dr. Sandy Schwartz, the world leader in Pueraria science and commerce. The daily dose for Pueraria mirifica is 2 mg/kg. I hope this answer the question about the dosage. However if you are having hormonal imbalance symptoms like estrogen deficiency, you can take more recommended dosage.
Most Pueraria product should have recommendation dosage for hormonal imbalance women and dosage for healthy women.
October 17 2009 at 3:16 PM Philli (no login)
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Hi Girls, My name is Philli. I tried creating an account here but 'Philli' is already being used by somebody else.
Anyway, I want to add a little about PM and all the negative reports...are those users telling us everything?
I've been using it for over 4 years...everyday. I was a B when I started taking it..for health improvement reasons, although I was told about the side effect by the person who recommended it...a chinese girlfriend of mine. I am now an E and I put the growth down to a combination of PM and regular use of the Noogleberry system. I have NEVER had any problems with it.
Here's what I think is happening. Those users who had negative side effects probably didn't take the manufacturers advice and take only 1 tab a day....(300 mg recommended), instead they were impatient and probably overdosed up to 900 or 1200 a day in an effort to get bigger ....much bigger boobs. This, I believe is what caused the problems they encountered....BUT they didn't tell us that they were being stupid and trying to rush things...they just said PM is bad for you.
Well Girls, the world is full of bimbos who think they know everything. All I will say is this...If you are not sure...dont take it, because if you do, you will worry about it, and every single ache and pain you get after that, you will blame on PM.
Author Reply
Ashley
(no login) Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? October 17 2009, 8:57 PM
Philli,
I don't think that anyone on this forum is a bimbo. Wanting learning doesn't qualify you as a bimbo.
Just because someone had a negative experience with PM, it doesn't mean that PM is bad. Everyone's body is different. PM will affect everyone differently. It is great that you got results with PM and noogleberry, but don't think that everyone will get results from PM.
The point of this forum is to share experiences whether they are good or bad. One person's mistakes could help someone else, vice versa. Many people try numerous things until they find something that works for their body.
Bella got great results from taking PM at doses of 900mg.
See her picture page: http://www.breastnexus.com/bellabb.html
"Here's what I think is happening. Those users who had negative side effects probably didn't take the manufacturers advice and take only 1 tab a day....(300 mg recommended), instead they were impatient and probably overdosed up to 900 or 1200 a day in an effort to get bigger ....much bigger boobs."
You clearly have not looked at any other manufacturer than the one you have dealt with. Before getting ahead of yourself and making such a bold statement like this, look at some of the manufacturers. Many of them are suggesting 800-1000mg. Here are some of the more popular brands I have seen used and the suggested milligrams of each:
Pueraria UK-1000mg
St.herb- 800mg
Ainterol- 1000mg
Bellas PM- 900mg
Best Thai Deals- 1000mg
The women are simply following the instructions given to them when they buy the product. Alot of women don't even know forums like this exist where they could get info about PM and breast enhancement that is almost completely unbiased. So women buy the PM then search for further info and find forums like this one explaining why they shouldn't take such high doses of PM. I don't think any of the women are stupid, they are women are learning. There's a big difference. When you seek out info on something you know nothing about, actually makes you informed. I am sure there are somethings you don't know as well.
I can't really say if high doses or low doses are more effective because they are so many variables at play. Especially, the variability in each woman's body. Some women will experience side effects due to PM and it not being compatible with their body in particular, I also don't think that is blaming it on the PM.
I am just wondering Philli, do you have some vested interest in PM? You seem to take it personally that some women have negative things to say about PM. Surely you can understand everyone is not going to have the same experience with PM. I guess you didn't see all the good things people have also said about PM.
mfg
(no login) Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? October 18 2009, 4:51 AM
philli
you are correct. No responsible manufactuer will market PM capsules for breast enhancement. By virtue of
making pm capsules for sale in large amounts say something about the people making them and selling them
They're stupid.........and if you use it in that fashion what does that say about your judgement. You are
correct. PM is safe but you should be using topicals.....they work better......many people want a miracle and
simply are not patient.
You will never see the large supplement companies make PM for breast enlargement. There are a few stupid ones
out there nutracorp is large.....and just don't get it.
I have no problem saying stupid.....its appropriate!
Philli
(no login) Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? October 18 2009, 12:56 PM
How about that... 1 pro, 1 contra.
Ashley, I do my PM shopping in Ebay, Germany...because I live here. In all the years of buying it, I have never seen it advertized in any quantity other than 300mg...with the exception of one company who sell it in 500mg. They go to great lengths to sell it as a health product and clearly define the breast growth as a side effect. Obviously in this world of vanity in which we live today, it has become its major selling point, however, the manufacturers/producers state the recommended daily dosage of their product....and they should know.
I stand by what I said.... many girls deliberately overdose in an effort to get bigger boobs quicker, thereby ignoring the risk that they may be taking to achieve their goal. Obviously some are successful and do not suffer from any negative effects whilst others do.
I'm simply saying that those who had negative effects probably, maybe, could have overdosed on it and are not telling.
MfG, thanks, yes some people are indeed stupid.. They go through their early years of womenhood eating all the wrong things and desperately wanting a super model skinny figure then realise that men aren't attracted to girls with small boobs. Off the catwalk, it's a boobs world, and so they frantically try to put some shape into thier skin and bone figure. In my late teens, the only girls I knew with A or AA boobs were 12 or 13 years old. I was quite satisfied with my Bs and would still be had it not been for a decline in my health 5 years ago (Bronchitis) which prompted me to use PM to improve circulation.. Hubby liked the idea of the side effect and well...one thing led to another.
Tiran1
(Login Tiran1) mfg October 18 2009, 6:21 PM
I just have one question about topicals...i mentioned somwhere before that it is quite a hussle for cosmetic companies to create good carriers of active ingredients that will deliver it beyond superficial layer of skin...i keep thinking ,how it is different with pm? how will it reach receptors, etc...?
i am not negative about it, don't get me wrong..i just want to understand it better...
also, i think choosing good topicals is very difficult..i am confused((
Kate
(no login) Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? October 25 2009, 4:57 PM
How do you stop the weight gain,, stomach fat while doing a PM program?
Philli
(no login) Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? October 27 2009, 3:24 PM
Kate, I wasn't aware there was a weight gain problem attached to PM. But if you are concerned about stomach fat...lay off the fast food junk and all the other rubbish that contributes to weight gain. Do more exercise and get off your butt more often....meant in a nice way. Have a nice day.
Tiran1
(Login Tiran1) Philli October 28 2009, 11:56 AM
Philli, did you follow 15 days on/15 days off programme with PM????
Kate
(no login) Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? October 28 2009, 1:11 PM
Philli,, you might as well not commented at all. If you had done any research at all, you would know that alot of breast enhancement herbs cause weight gain for the majority, PM being no exception. I do have a good diet and I am active, so why would you even comment when you don't even know that facts about my situation. An of the cuff answer like that helps no one. Sandy has also had stomach weight gain while on PM, are you going to give her the same useless advise?
Philli
(no login) Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? October 28 2009, 10:24 PM
No. I just take one PM a day now and dont give it any thought.
Philli
(no login) Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? October 30 2009, 10:09 AM
Kate, you refer to PM as ..'doing a PM program'. In this day and age when only Vanity seems to matter, people simply overlook the fact that PM is a health product which is available on the open market for anyone who wishes to use it. The fact that breast enlargement is a TEMPORARY SIDE EFFECT, has become its major selling point. There is no such thing as a 'program' for PM...you simply take one or two a day and generally improve your health.
See, like I said, people are only to quick to blame PM for all kinds of ailments that they may get whilst they are using it, because they overdose on it thinking it will give them huge boobs if they take more than the recommended daily dosage.
I apologize if my 'off hand' comment offended you. I personally have never had any problems with PMs but then...I dont take any other pills or food/health substitues with my daily intake. Never have.
Here's what Wikipedia says: The significant thing about the marketing of pueraria extracts on the web is that, unlike a host of herbal treatments claiming to enlarge breasts but having little or no effect (e.g. fenugreek, saw palmetto) or others having serious toxicities (e.g., black cohosh), pueraria actually works as claimed (when the product is genuine) and has not been shown to have significant toxicities
blue_sardine
(no login) kate - stomach weight gain October 30 2009, 3:21 PM
hey kate,
I got fatter thighs while using bellas pm, which was NOT what i wanted at all! I know everyone is different, but what worked for me was to lower the dose of internal pm (from 900 - 250 per day) and shorten the cycle from 14 days a month down to 10. I also started to really concentrate on massaging with topicals. This has been much better for me, and though my thighs are still a tiny bit heavier than before, it's not too bad. I've started going on a couple of good fast walks a week, which is helping to keep excess weight off other places while my boobs grow. Good luck!
Snowflake
(Login GoldSnowflake)
EVE MEMBERS Philli? November 12 2009, 11:12 AM
So Philli if you take 300mgs cap of PM everyday, does it effect your period? are you still regular and have a period every month? Really interested in hearing from you, thinking of trying it this way? Have you had any weight gain over the 4 years you have been taking it? Everyday?? no break for a week? Awaiting you reply.
Tina Z
(Login tinaz408)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? November 13 2009, 12:08 AM
Actually, Philli previously said she was taking 4 pills a day. At 300mg that's 1200mg a day! Everyday! Apparently she had no adverse side effects from taking such a high dosage.
It is funny because she said earlier that "are they telling us everything?", saying that girls on here are overdosing which is why PM gives them side effects. It seems that every woman's body is the same so PM should work for everyone, at least Philli is spreading that word!
I think 300mg a day everyday may be fine, if you are lacking estrogen. But I wonder what kind of PM she was taking. Personally, I would say that is a weaker type of PM. Especially if you can take so much without anything side effects.
I had asked Philli what color the powder was inside of the pills and she said I was asking dumb questions. I asked some sellers on ebay and the powder is brown. I am not sure what that means but I know Bella's and some other brands are either beige or white.
If anyone can help me to understand why there are 3 different colors of PM, that would be great! Because I am thinking there should be some consistency, if they are all PM.
Philli
(no login) Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? November 17 2009, 2:18 PM
Hello Snowflake. When I started taking PM over 4 years ago,..as I said..it was recommended to me by a Chinese friend (female). I had just got over a very bad winter flu which led to bronchitis and I was pretty weak and had lost a lot of weight. I knew nothing about PM or the existence of such Forums as this and never even worried about the size of my breasts.. I was, and had been, a B since my 20s. After my illness my boobs looked like they were drained and were saggy and 'empty'. My main concern was to get well and get back to my normal weight..I was down to 135 pounds and I should have been around 155 for my height. Over the months I just ate and ate good wholesome food again and took PM as a supplement. She told me about the 'side effect', but it was never a concern...my main concern was getting fit and healthy again. I believe the original ones were only 100mg and I was taking 4 a day. I later changed to 300mg and took 2 a day. After a year, I had not only, reached my optimal weight again...without getting fat... but had also increased my bust size to C.
So you see, I was taking PM for all the other benefits it brings and not purely for breast enhancement. Seems to me that most girls only buy it for that reason and dont CARE about all the other things it can do for the system.
And Tina Z, this is what Wikipedia has to say about PM: There are 4 varieties of kwao krua that are considered beneficial and can be used for medicinal, food supplementary and cosmetic purposes. They are White Kwao Krua (Pueraria mirifica), Red Kwao Krua (Butea superba), Black Kwao Krua and Dull Grey Kwao Krua. Local communities in Thailand have used Pueraria mirifica for well over one hundred years, specifically for its supposed rejuvenating qualities.
Philli
(no login) Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? November 17 2009, 2:42 PM
Oh, Snowflake, She never mentioned anything about not taking them during my periods...so I never stopped during that time. As regards that point, I never had any problems in that area.. I'm not a born worrier like a lot of people who bring things on themselves by worrying and brooding over things that happen to others. Even the manufacturers dont mention that point in their daily dosage recommendations.
When I read on here about what girls are desperately doing to increase thier breast size, like taking PM, MSM, Fenugreek, Saw Palmetto, EVERYDAY, in huge quantities, its no wonder thier metabolism is screwed up.
You wont find any of those other products that I just listed being sold and advertized as breast enhancment products. Why?? Because the producers daren't make a statement that they know to be untrue. PM on the other hand, is known to work and it has been scientifically proved....as a side effect... which can be maintained if smaller doses are continued to be taken after the first 3 to 4 months. Like I said, I take it for its other benefits..skin, hair, nails, circulation...those things which keep me healthy.
lemon vanilla
(Login lemonvanilla) For Philli November 23 2009, 12:42 AM
Hey Philli,
I'm just starting on PM and I definitely want your opinion. You seem real and have great results.
So first of all here is my program, I'm taking one PM of 500 mg per day w/massage and hypnosis ringtone stuff. I'm seeing results but I figured I would ask you for your advice as well. What else could you recommend that I include in my program?
And on another note, I'm moving to Germany next month. And I really dislike ebay, however that is the only place I can find my PM pills. Could you tell me your seller on deutsches Ebay?
Und bist du Deutsche? Wenn ja, vielleicht du wurdest wissen, ob es echte wissenschaftliche Rechechierung fuer PM in Deutschland gibt? I look everywhere for reports but find nothing..
Philli
(no login) Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? November 23 2009, 11:40 AM
Hello everybody. Anyway, Lemon Vanilla, as far as your program goes, the only thing I can recommend is getting hold of some Noogleberry domes and getting into the habit of Noogling. It will help to fill you out much quicker and you will see more growth....much more.
carla
(Login carlaa1124) Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? November 23 2009, 2:26 PM
YOUR GOING TO HAVE A TOUGH TIME GETTING PM CAPSULES IN GERMANY. THEY ARE VERY STRICK WITH SUPPLEMENTS.
CREAM IS ALOT BETTER THAN WILD CAPSULES...there is no comparison if you use a cream with a high quality extract.
You might be able to get cream there I don't know.
Philli
(no login) Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? November 23 2009, 2:58 PM
Nonsense Carla. Ebay Germany is full of Ads for PM...direct from Thailand. Delivery is usually 7 to 10 days if you use Paypal. In all my years of buying them that way, I've never had any problems.
Tiran1
(Login Tiran1) carla November 23 2009, 6:41 PM
Any example of good quality cream in this case?
Thanks
Philli1
(Login Philli1) Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? November 27 2009, 5:17 PM
Snowflake and TinaZ, I replied to your questions over a week ago. I apologize if you think I ignored you...that's not my style.
Snowflake, you seem to be using the Ainterol 500mg tablets. They are made from cultivated PM and not grown in Thailand. The secret of PM is in the nutrients that it extracts from the soil...Ainterol doesn't work. You are better off using original 300mg tablets and they are a lot cheaper. dont worry if you cant read the bottle...just take two a day.
TinaZ, here's what Wikipedia says about PM: There are 4 varieties of kwao krua that are considered beneficial and can be used for medicinal, food supplementary and cosmetic purposes.[citation needed] They are White Kwao Krua (Pueraria mirifica), Red Kwao Krua (Butea superba), Black Kwao Krua and Dull Grey Kwao Krua. Local communities in Thailand have used Pueraria mirifica for well over one hundred years, specifically for its supposed rejuvenating qualities.
Carla.. PM is readily avaialble in Germany through Ebay. I have been buying mine there for over 4 years. Delivery is usually 7 to 10 days if you use Paypal.
GoldSnowflake
(Login GoldSnowflake)
EVE MEMBERS Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? November 27 2009, 5:47 PM
NO,,,, I used Bella's. Had went from a A cup to a B cup. and need more product, but want to try 300mgs instead of higher. But what I want to know is if you take it everyday, even when you have your period. 300mgs everyday without breaks, I thought thats what I read Philli does or Carla.
GoldSnowflake
(Login GoldSnowflake)
EVE MEMBERS Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? November 27 2009, 5:50 PM
Someone here reported thay take it everyday like an ordinary supplement. But how does that effect your cycle, is it delayed???? And no I have never tried Anristol only Full Potencial, which is garbage, and Bella's, which I love except for the tummy fat.
Philli1
(Login Philli1) Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? November 27 2009, 7:23 PM
Hi Goldsnowflake. I cant speak for anybody else, but I was never told to stop taking them during my periods and so I have taken PM everyday since over 4 years now. I've never experienced any irregularity whatsoever. Incidently I was a B when I started taking them, primarily for my health since I had been very ill. I wasn't concerned about breast growth at all, although I was told that they would probably increase in size. My Hubby liked that idea. Anyway, After a year and getting my health and lost weight back I was up to a C and so, with the help of Noogleberry, I helped them along a bit...quite a bit. Now I am an E cup.
Snowflake
(Login GoldSnowflake)
EVE MEMBERS Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? November 27 2009, 7:50 PM
Great,, so you did take it everyday like a nutritional supplement. good to know. And how many mgs per day then? And your periods were OK? Thanks for replying and any more detail you want to add is welcome. Ya, I don't know about buying from over seas,, I am in Canada and its handy for me just to buy from Bella's,,, we don't have PM here at all,, that I have been able to find in the last 2 years, so Thats why I buy from the States. Like I said any detail about how you have been while taking PM and dosage is welcome and thanks again.
Snowflake
(Login GoldSnowflake)
EVE MEMBERS Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? November 27 2009, 7:53 PM
Ya,, just a note,, I have search every web site up for the last 2 years or so looking for PM,, also alot of PM mixed with other herbs and that is not at all what I wanted. If you could post and links to PM that are easy to obtain, I would be interested,, thanks!!!!
Philli1
(Login Philli1) Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? November 27 2009, 8:35 PM
Snowflake, if you go into Ebay and scroll to the bottom of the startside you will see a listing of all the other Ebays worldwide. Click on Great Britain and it with take you to the British Site. Type Pueraria Mirifica in the search and it will open the page. There are currently 110 entries for PM. If you are a member of Ebay, you can log on with your Canadian ID and it will recognize you all allow you to make a purchase. Paypal is all they accept, but if you make the purchase, the amount will be automatically converted into Canadian Dollars at todays rate and deducted from your account.
I just looked and found this. These are what I am using right now.
300mg. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/300-x-PUERARIA-MIR...2556a8ec54
Philli1
(Login Philli1) Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? November 27 2009, 8:39 PM
Oops....dont include 300mg in the link.. This is correct.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/300-x-PUERARIA-MIR...2556a8ec54
Snowflake
(Login GoldSnowflake)
EVE MEMBERS Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? November 27 2009, 8:52 PM
Thanks Philli!!!!
James Chin
(Login lobamax) Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? May 22 2011, 7:00 AM
According to Dr. Sandy Schwartz, the world leader in Pueraria science and commerce. The daily dose for Pueraria mirifica is 2 mg/kg. I hope this answer the question about the dosage. However if you are having hormonal imbalance symptoms like estrogen deficiency, you can take more recommended dosage.
Most Pueraria product should have recommendation dosage for hormonal imbalance women and dosage for healthy women.