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If one doesn’t do the inertia treatment at the end of the day as it says, how long does the body stay in its proposed grow mode? Meaning, I haven’t done magnets in a few days, and didn’t turn them off either, just did the grow treatments, are they still in grow mode? Or do they require on a consistent basis the magnets being applied to keep it in grow mode? I am really confused, as it says you need to turn them off, but wouldn’t they just naturally turn off as the magnetic force subsided?




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Moon
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SENIOR MEMBER Re: Been Thinking........... January 14 2008, 2:03 PM


Hi Henri,
I can't give a really reliable answer, but my guess is that the ''turn on'' mode wears of after a while. That is probably why it's recquired to do several growing treatments a day. I think the inertia treatment is like an amplification of the ''turn off and heal'' mode.


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I do the energising for about 10mins while I get ready for work then put the growth ones on for the day. I get a lot of tingles for about 30-60mins then nothing but maybe it's psychological and I've just got to work and been thinking about other things.


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Because I'm afraid to mess with magnets and end up with some other problems other than small boobs; I won't wear them all day.
I don't have the time to do the many treatments he suggests but after 2 weeks of CVS for 10-20 minutes in the morning along with the magnets on my bra the proper way it's stated in the manual and the same thing at night before bed.
I can honestly say that I'm firmer (and since my hubby doesn't know I'm doing this - I shower in the am and have a bath in the pm) his comments on them feeling heavier and firmer and what have I been doing? - I've been drinking more water is my excuse. I need to know if it's working and he lied when I asked if they were growing when I took the herbs. I do take vitex (2 in the am) and cayenne at lunch.]]> January 11 2008 at 12:08 PM Henri (Login henriettahippo)
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If one doesn’t do the inertia treatment at the end of the day as it says, how long does the body stay in its proposed grow mode? Meaning, I haven’t done magnets in a few days, and didn’t turn them off either, just did the grow treatments, are they still in grow mode? Or do they require on a consistent basis the magnets being applied to keep it in grow mode? I am really confused, as it says you need to turn them off, but wouldn’t they just naturally turn off as the magnetic force subsided?




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Moon
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SENIOR MEMBER Re: Been Thinking........... January 14 2008, 2:03 PM


Hi Henri,
I can't give a really reliable answer, but my guess is that the ''turn on'' mode wears of after a while. That is probably why it's recquired to do several growing treatments a day. I think the inertia treatment is like an amplification of the ''turn off and heal'' mode.


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Louise
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SENIOR MEMBER Re: Been Thinking........... January 14 2008, 6:26 PM


I do the energising for about 10mins while I get ready for work then put the growth ones on for the day. I get a lot of tingles for about 30-60mins then nothing but maybe it's psychological and I've just got to work and been thinking about other things.


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(no login) Been thinking January 17 2008, 1:29 AM


Because I'm afraid to mess with magnets and end up with some other problems other than small boobs; I won't wear them all day.
I don't have the time to do the many treatments he suggests but after 2 weeks of CVS for 10-20 minutes in the morning along with the magnets on my bra the proper way it's stated in the manual and the same thing at night before bed.
I can honestly say that I'm firmer (and since my hubby doesn't know I'm doing this - I shower in the am and have a bath in the pm) his comments on them feeling heavier and firmer and what have I been doing? - I've been drinking more water is my excuse. I need to know if it's working and he lied when I asked if they were growing when I took the herbs. I do take vitex (2 in the am) and cayenne at lunch.]]> http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5295 Fri, 19 Mar 2010 03:35:04 -0500 http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5295 January 17 2008 at 5:05 AM trendyaznchica (Login trendyaznchica)
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I was reading a section of the NBA manual that I hadn't read before about "Magnetically Melting Fat," which states that the magnetic field created by application of the negative pole to the fat deposit will cause the fat to become water soluble. Isn't fat by its very nature a lipid and therefore not water soluble? Isn't such a phenomenon a scientific impossibility or at the very least, improbability? I suppose if the claim were that the negative pole causes the fat cells to loosen, allowing them to be carried away and flushed from the body, I would be more open to that suggestion.

I know this is only very barely related to NBE, but if anyone has any insight into this, I'd be interested to hear.




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I think most of the NBA stuff is scientifically dubious at best, however the magnets are cheap, I do the energising for about 10mins while I get ready in the morning then wear positive on the boobs all day with negative on the thighs - I can't really say if it makes much difference as I'm doing so much other stuff. Even if it doesn't burn fat, if it can just encourage new fat from my diet to go to the boobs not the legs that's a start and I don't think they can do any harm.]]> January 17 2008 at 5:05 AM trendyaznchica (Login trendyaznchica)
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I was reading a section of the NBA manual that I hadn't read before about "Magnetically Melting Fat," which states that the magnetic field created by application of the negative pole to the fat deposit will cause the fat to become water soluble. Isn't fat by its very nature a lipid and therefore not water soluble? Isn't such a phenomenon a scientific impossibility or at the very least, improbability? I suppose if the claim were that the negative pole causes the fat cells to loosen, allowing them to be carried away and flushed from the body, I would be more open to that suggestion.

I know this is only very barely related to NBE, but if anyone has any insight into this, I'd be interested to hear.




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Louise
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SENIOR MEMBER Re: Magnetically melting fat January 17 2008, 6:17 AM


I think most of the NBA stuff is scientifically dubious at best, however the magnets are cheap, I do the energising for about 10mins while I get ready in the morning then wear positive on the boobs all day with negative on the thighs - I can't really say if it makes much difference as I'm doing so much other stuff. Even if it doesn't burn fat, if it can just encourage new fat from my diet to go to the boobs not the legs that's a start and I don't think they can do any harm.]]> http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5294 Fri, 19 Mar 2010 03:33:13 -0500 http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5294 January 9 2008 at 1:50 PM Moon (Login -Moon-)
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A lot of people who are not doing magnets by the book are wearing them all day/night long. I was wondering, what if that isn't optimal, what if the body ''adapts'' to a constant stimulus? A lot of what goes on with hormones is very sudden and momentary, many hormones are released in pulses because the receptors would be desensitised for good if a constant stimulus was present. Growth hormone is one such, and if I'm not mistaking also all steroids (not 100% sure on this one). There must be a reason the NBE plan is to wear magnets for a short time several times a day, instead just whole day long. I know some have had great results with a continous use of magnets, but who knows, they could have a luky body that doesn't get adapted easily...




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Louise
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SENIOR MEMBER Re: Wearing magnets continously January 9 2008, 9:32 PM


I thought it was supposed to be for safety as the negative field soothes and heals and the positive field over-excites and causes overgrowth of tissue and growth of bacteria.


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SENIOR MEMBER Re: Wearing magnets continously January 10 2008, 1:52 PM


I wouldn't expect the effect of magnets to be really that drastic, tho it varies between individuals. But judging from my case, I am pleased to say that I am getting pains with magnets now that I'm doing it intermittedly, and haven't at all when I did it continously.
I also seem to get more pains if I don't take herbs. But that may be a coinscidence, I only have a few days of usage...


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Louise
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Hi Moon,

How long / often are you using? Do you do the energising / inertia / CVS treatments? Are you massaging? What herbs do you actually take? I think you were on WU but you were also talking about galactogogues a whie ago.


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Louise
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p.s. just sent you an email - did you get it?


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Hi Louise,
At first I did magnets continuously for only 3 days but didn't have a single tingle so I got impatient and changed the strategy. Now I'm doing it intermitedly for 10 days and I have an encouraging ammount of pains and tingles (cause I never got much with any method lol, I appear to be a tough NBE case), and I often notice this 'activity' shortly after a treatment. I do basically as the book says, with the CVS and the energising and intertial treatments. I massage a bit differently tho, I usually do a longer massage before the treatment (GY adapted) and only a few squeezes afterwards. Also on a few days I didn't have time to do all the treatments, one day I didn't do any, but still got the pains and tingles. I was taking soy, nettle, flax seed oil, ginseng, kelp, grape seed and cayenne at the beginning, but now I stoped to see how it affects the ammount of signs I get and I seem to have more. But I think it's likely that isn't connected with herbs and only due to the magnets kicking in, so I'll prably start herbs again soon.
A while ago I tried WU plus additional galactogogues for just a month and also didn't get a single tingle, so I stoped. The only thing which did kinda work for me so far, was GY + herbs last summer. It was only 1 measurable but not really noticable inch, but I was happy cause at least it ment that I can grow. The interesting thing was that when I stopped GY, I didn't lose the measurable inch for about 3 months, probably because the much shorter but similar (but I think even more effective) to GY massage I was doing was enoguh for maintainance. Then I stopped NBE altogether for 2 months and my inch was gone. It didn't really matter to me cause my breasts don't look any smaller, but it did confirm to me that that inch was really there, cause I was thinking that maybe I simply measured wrong or differently when I started (I only measured once at the beginning and then not for a month when I surprised found I've gone up almost an inch). Then I measured everyday and went up a bit more for a while, but then I seemed to get stuck and my lobes seriously wouldn't enlarge over a pea size, so when I stoped growing, I quit and went to try sth else. Curiously, now that I'm doing adapted GY with magnets, some of my lobes seem to have enlarged over pea sized.
So anyway, it's kinda too soon to say how magnets are working for me, cause I have little time of usage, but I'm hoping these signs aren't only coinscidence. And sorry for the long and explicit report lol.


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Moon -- It sounds like your program now is mostly magnets and massage...is that right? Are you taking any herbs with it? I'm just doing massage for now (plus a tiny bit of herbs in Mothers Milk tea)...but I am thinking of adding the magnets, so I am curious about your program.



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Hi Corrie. My program only for the past 3 day is just magnets and massage. And I have been on magnets for not even 2 weeks. I'm just making a brake from herbs to experiment how it affects the magnets effect. I will probably soon add back my herbs combination (soy, nettle root, flax seed oil, ginseng, grape seed and cayenne).]]> January 9 2008 at 1:50 PM Moon (Login -Moon-)
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A lot of people who are not doing magnets by the book are wearing them all day/night long. I was wondering, what if that isn't optimal, what if the body ''adapts'' to a constant stimulus? A lot of what goes on with hormones is very sudden and momentary, many hormones are released in pulses because the receptors would be desensitised for good if a constant stimulus was present. Growth hormone is one such, and if I'm not mistaking also all steroids (not 100% sure on this one). There must be a reason the NBE plan is to wear magnets for a short time several times a day, instead just whole day long. I know some have had great results with a continous use of magnets, but who knows, they could have a luky body that doesn't get adapted easily...




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Louise
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SENIOR MEMBER Re: Wearing magnets continously January 9 2008, 9:32 PM


I thought it was supposed to be for safety as the negative field soothes and heals and the positive field over-excites and causes overgrowth of tissue and growth of bacteria.


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Moon
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SENIOR MEMBER Re: Wearing magnets continously January 10 2008, 1:52 PM


I wouldn't expect the effect of magnets to be really that drastic, tho it varies between individuals. But judging from my case, I am pleased to say that I am getting pains with magnets now that I'm doing it intermittedly, and haven't at all when I did it continously.
I also seem to get more pains if I don't take herbs. But that may be a coinscidence, I only have a few days of usage...


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Louise
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SENIOR MEMBER Re: Wearing magnets continously January 10 2008, 9:35 PM


Hi Moon,

How long / often are you using? Do you do the energising / inertia / CVS treatments? Are you massaging? What herbs do you actually take? I think you were on WU but you were also talking about galactogogues a whie ago.


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Louise
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p.s. just sent you an email - did you get it?


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Moon
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Hi Louise,
At first I did magnets continuously for only 3 days but didn't have a single tingle so I got impatient and changed the strategy. Now I'm doing it intermitedly for 10 days and I have an encouraging ammount of pains and tingles (cause I never got much with any method lol, I appear to be a tough NBE case), and I often notice this 'activity' shortly after a treatment. I do basically as the book says, with the CVS and the energising and intertial treatments. I massage a bit differently tho, I usually do a longer massage before the treatment (GY adapted) and only a few squeezes afterwards. Also on a few days I didn't have time to do all the treatments, one day I didn't do any, but still got the pains and tingles. I was taking soy, nettle, flax seed oil, ginseng, kelp, grape seed and cayenne at the beginning, but now I stoped to see how it affects the ammount of signs I get and I seem to have more. But I think it's likely that isn't connected with herbs and only due to the magnets kicking in, so I'll prably start herbs again soon.
A while ago I tried WU plus additional galactogogues for just a month and also didn't get a single tingle, so I stoped. The only thing which did kinda work for me so far, was GY + herbs last summer. It was only 1 measurable but not really noticable inch, but I was happy cause at least it ment that I can grow. The interesting thing was that when I stopped GY, I didn't lose the measurable inch for about 3 months, probably because the much shorter but similar (but I think even more effective) to GY massage I was doing was enoguh for maintainance. Then I stopped NBE altogether for 2 months and my inch was gone. It didn't really matter to me cause my breasts don't look any smaller, but it did confirm to me that that inch was really there, cause I was thinking that maybe I simply measured wrong or differently when I started (I only measured once at the beginning and then not for a month when I surprised found I've gone up almost an inch). Then I measured everyday and went up a bit more for a while, but then I seemed to get stuck and my lobes seriously wouldn't enlarge over a pea size, so when I stoped growing, I quit and went to try sth else. Curiously, now that I'm doing adapted GY with magnets, some of my lobes seem to have enlarged over pea sized.
So anyway, it's kinda too soon to say how magnets are working for me, cause I have little time of usage, but I'm hoping these signs aren't only coinscidence. And sorry for the long and explicit report lol.


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Moon -- It sounds like your program now is mostly magnets and massage...is that right? Are you taking any herbs with it? I'm just doing massage for now (plus a tiny bit of herbs in Mothers Milk tea)...but I am thinking of adding the magnets, so I am curious about your program.



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Hi Corrie. My program only for the past 3 day is just magnets and massage. And I have been on magnets for not even 2 weeks. I'm just making a brake from herbs to experiment how it affects the magnets effect. I will probably soon add back my herbs combination (soy, nettle root, flax seed oil, ginseng, grape seed and cayenne).]]> http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5293 Fri, 19 Mar 2010 03:31:39 -0500 http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5293 January 10 2008 at 7:10 AM shamrock77 (no login)

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I bought the rubber coated magnets ,i can't figure out the polarites with a string method because they have no hole in the center.Any ideas?




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My magnets don't have a hole in them either so I taped a piece of string to them and was able to determine whether they were positive or negative that way.


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So - I attached the magnets to a string, and then it will turn toward magentic north...is that right, or have I missed something........and that would be the side to use? Also is there a min. time for wear?

The magnets I have are an extra strength magnet. Way stronger then a regular fridge magnet, but I don't know much more then that. I do know that if they are within a few inches of each other they snap together and will take off some skin should it be in the way......


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The side of the magnet that faces north is positive and the opposite side that faces south is negative. The positive side is the one that is placed against the skin with the negative side facing outward. I've scratched the letter N on one side for north (positive) and S on the other side for south (negative). I'm currently wearing my magnets overnight but some are wearing them for shorter periods. It depends on how closely one wants to follow the original NBA system. I've only used them for a 3 days so far and I haven't had any problems so I'll continue with that. The NBA system involves lots of massage, special tinctures, switching back forth between negative and positive sides and using the magnets for only a few minutes at a time. Some on the board have had success by just leaving them in and not bothering with all that so it's really just personal preference.]]> January 10 2008 at 7:10 AM shamrock77 (no login)

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I bought the rubber coated magnets ,i can't figure out the polarites with a string method because they have no hole in the center.Any ideas?




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My magnets don't have a hole in them either so I taped a piece of string to them and was able to determine whether they were positive or negative that way.


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So - I attached the magnets to a string, and then it will turn toward magentic north...is that right, or have I missed something........and that would be the side to use? Also is there a min. time for wear?

The magnets I have are an extra strength magnet. Way stronger then a regular fridge magnet, but I don't know much more then that. I do know that if they are within a few inches of each other they snap together and will take off some skin should it be in the way......


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The side of the magnet that faces north is positive and the opposite side that faces south is negative. The positive side is the one that is placed against the skin with the negative side facing outward. I've scratched the letter N on one side for north (positive) and S on the other side for south (negative). I'm currently wearing my magnets overnight but some are wearing them for shorter periods. It depends on how closely one wants to follow the original NBA system. I've only used them for a 3 days so far and I haven't had any problems so I'll continue with that. The NBA system involves lots of massage, special tinctures, switching back forth between negative and positive sides and using the magnets for only a few minutes at a time. Some on the board have had success by just leaving them in and not bothering with all that so it's really just personal preference.]]> http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5292 Fri, 19 Mar 2010 03:26:51 -0500 http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5292 January 7 2008 at 9:09 AM
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Some people need to work in areas that are subject to magnetic fields. Some people in physics are subject to very strong magnetic fields during their working day. Nobody has reported that it made their breasts grow.



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SENIOR MEMBER Re: Exposure to magnetic fields January 7 2008, 11:17 AM


Hi Jennelle, this was actually mentioned in one of the threads on the main page, which has some of us curious.............


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moayca
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I think that people wich work in atmospheres with magnetic fields, affect all the body, not directly to the boobs, for theses reasson, don't grow her boobs...

But, what is what causes that the boob grow? With what the boobs grow?


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I think that the nba magnets could incr breast size because they are put in direct contact with skin and on targeted places.Who knows!!Hope we get feedback from all ladies using this method so we know if it really increased breast size.It seems to work though.


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(no login) magnetic fields January 8 2008, 4:09 PM


Since we're putting the magnets directly on the nipples and massaging directly afterwards - the people who work in these environments are wearing clothes etc. I think it's working; I feel tingles and they hurt a bit so I'm convincing myself that this is working. Anyone else feeling anything?


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I don't think this bit of information is relevant tho. It matters a lot *how* you are exposed and I don't think there is any sort of environment that provides the exact same kind of exposure as the NBA system (it's a lot about exactly where positive polarities should be applied and where the negative ect). Also even if someone's boobs would coinscidentally grew from unwanted magnetic exposure, it's very likely they wouldn't even connect the two things.


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Sorry, my point about people working in a strong magnetic field is that they are exposed for long periods to the 'dangerous' positive field without getting cancer or dropping dead i.e. it should be safe for us to leave the magnets in our bras longer than the recommended few minutes.]]> January 7 2008 at 9:09 AM
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Some people need to work in areas that are subject to magnetic fields. Some people in physics are subject to very strong magnetic fields during their working day. Nobody has reported that it made their breasts grow.



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SENIOR MEMBER Re: Exposure to magnetic fields January 7 2008, 11:17 AM


Hi Jennelle, this was actually mentioned in one of the threads on the main page, which has some of us curious.............


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I think that people wich work in atmospheres with magnetic fields, affect all the body, not directly to the boobs, for theses reasson, don't grow her boobs...

But, what is what causes that the boob grow? With what the boobs grow?


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SENIOR MEMBER Re: Exposure to magnetic fields January 7 2008, 4:11 PM


I think that the nba magnets could incr breast size because they are put in direct contact with skin and on targeted places.Who knows!!Hope we get feedback from all ladies using this method so we know if it really increased breast size.It seems to work though.


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littlelibrarian
(no login) magnetic fields January 8 2008, 4:09 PM


Since we're putting the magnets directly on the nipples and massaging directly afterwards - the people who work in these environments are wearing clothes etc. I think it's working; I feel tingles and they hurt a bit so I'm convincing myself that this is working. Anyone else feeling anything?


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SENIOR MEMBER Re: Exposure to magnetic fields January 9 2008, 1:41 PM


I don't think this bit of information is relevant tho. It matters a lot *how* you are exposed and I don't think there is any sort of environment that provides the exact same kind of exposure as the NBA system (it's a lot about exactly where positive polarities should be applied and where the negative ect). Also even if someone's boobs would coinscidentally grew from unwanted magnetic exposure, it's very likely they wouldn't even connect the two things.


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Sorry, my point about people working in a strong magnetic field is that they are exposed for long periods to the 'dangerous' positive field without getting cancer or dropping dead i.e. it should be safe for us to leave the magnets in our bras longer than the recommended few minutes.]]> http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5291 Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:16:09 -0500 http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5291
I'm glad to be back and am excited to be a part of this community again. ^__^

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I'm glad to be back and am excited to be a part of this community again. ^__^

~SV44]]> http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5290 Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:17:01 -0500 http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5290 I've seen this question posted in the old forum. Seeing a version of it on the general discussion board made me decide to ask the rest of you guys what your thoughts are on the subject. I realize that it is more of a related stuff thread, but felt it needed to be posted here. We all have our own ,very personal, reasons for wanting more female shaped breasts. CD's who want to naturally fill out our outfits. Male to female performers looking for a more natural look. Transsexuals in the process of their own brand of transition. Gender-benders, guys who simply want their own pair of breasts, etc and etc...You get my point. The reasons are diverse. I am not saying the desire to have breasts put you in one of these categories. I am simply saying that there are many reasons to grow breasts.
Now to my question. At some point. Depending on how far you are planning to develop/grow. Those around you are going to stop thinking you have been hitting the gym. They are going to wonder about the extra mass on your chest and may say something. The reply "I am putting on weight", isn't going to cut it anymore. Especially when you are not putting in on elsewhere. So what are your thoughts guys. Your reasons are your own, but what do you plan to say? Ignore, act mysterious, say you don't know whats going on ,you haven't really noticed. Get annoyed that they said anything about it, and say it's a personal medical situation? Look and act like they have lost their minds and quickly walk away? LOL..
Then who do you tell ,when ,why, or what do you tell? about your NBE. You kinda have to tell your SO. but at what point?

What do you think? I know you have given it some thought.
Have you already been put into a position where something was said? If you are comfortable doing so. Let us know how it went. No big details needed. Just what did you say? Were they accepting?

andy]]> I've seen this question posted in the old forum. Seeing a version of it on the general discussion board made me decide to ask the rest of you guys what your thoughts are on the subject. I realize that it is more of a related stuff thread, but felt it needed to be posted here. We all have our own ,very personal, reasons for wanting more female shaped breasts. CD's who want to naturally fill out our outfits. Male to female performers looking for a more natural look. Transsexuals in the process of their own brand of transition. Gender-benders, guys who simply want their own pair of breasts, etc and etc...You get my point. The reasons are diverse. I am not saying the desire to have breasts put you in one of these categories. I am simply saying that there are many reasons to grow breasts.
Now to my question. At some point. Depending on how far you are planning to develop/grow. Those around you are going to stop thinking you have been hitting the gym. They are going to wonder about the extra mass on your chest and may say something. The reply "I am putting on weight", isn't going to cut it anymore. Especially when you are not putting in on elsewhere. So what are your thoughts guys. Your reasons are your own, but what do you plan to say? Ignore, act mysterious, say you don't know whats going on ,you haven't really noticed. Get annoyed that they said anything about it, and say it's a personal medical situation? Look and act like they have lost their minds and quickly walk away? LOL..
Then who do you tell ,when ,why, or what do you tell? about your NBE. You kinda have to tell your SO. but at what point?

What do you think? I know you have given it some thought.
Have you already been put into a position where something was said? If you are comfortable doing so. Let us know how it went. No big details needed. Just what did you say? Were they accepting?

andy]]> http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5289 Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:16:34 -0500 http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5289
Um...I'm a little strange I guess. I'm a straight male, but for many years I've always wanted to grow a pair of my own. ^_^;;

So I'm going to see if this site will help me in my goal! When I saw it, I was like "This is perfect!!!" I am aiming to hit a B cup, maybe more. (Don't want to go too big for the reason above ) I'm also aiming to maybe enhance my nipples.
I've been trying massages, but that is obviously not working so I'm going to go herbal and probably get a NB if possible.

^_^ Thanks to everyone for posting such great info on here!]]>
Um...I'm a little strange I guess. I'm a straight male, but for many years I've always wanted to grow a pair of my own. ^_^;;

So I'm going to see if this site will help me in my goal! When I saw it, I was like "This is perfect!!!" I am aiming to hit a B cup, maybe more. (Don't want to go too big for the reason above ) I'm also aiming to maybe enhance my nipples.
I've been trying massages, but that is obviously not working so I'm going to go herbal and probably get a NB if possible.

^_^ Thanks to everyone for posting such great info on here!]]> http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5288 Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:39:52 -0500 http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5288
Any input would be appreciated.

Marie]]>
Any input would be appreciated.

Marie]]> http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5287 Thu, 18 Mar 2010 08:53:08 -0500 http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5287 http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5286 Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:56:07 -0500 http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5286 hello...

ok quick question,,, i was looking for bo on ebay and found this
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/COLOSTRUM-30-Stand...1c0f6616c0

just wondering would bovine colostrum or swiss lamb placenta better to get growth hormones from??

im thinking that mabe the colostrum would be better because its made to help a calf grow very quickly in a short amount of time,
and theoretically once a placenta is no longer in use how can it have all the growth hormones it normlly would have still in it once its been taken out

i want to try a product like these with the growth hormones in, but dont know whic 1 although im leaning towards the colostrum,

any help.....



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thanks 4 any replys ]]> hello...

ok quick question,,, i was looking for bo on ebay and found this
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/COLOSTRUM-30-Stand...1c0f6616c0

just wondering would bovine colostrum or swiss lamb placenta better to get growth hormones from??

im thinking that mabe the colostrum would be better because its made to help a calf grow very quickly in a short amount of time,
and theoretically once a placenta is no longer in use how can it have all the growth hormones it normlly would have still in it once its been taken out

i want to try a product like these with the growth hormones in, but dont know whic 1 although im leaning towards the colostrum,

any help.....



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thanks 4 any replys ]]> http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5285 Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:58:22 -0500 http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5285
Where do you ladies get your BO? I want to get it from a safe reputable company. Is it only possible to buy online?
Are you taking any other supplements? Is the BO the only supplement you need to get growth or do you need to add pituitary supplements as well?
How much BO do you take?
Do you do breast massages? I've always heard that breast massage is really important for growth but I've read some posts that discourge it when using BO. Can I massage with fennel or fenugreek?

Thank you so much for any answers.
~Marie~

I know I posted this earlier but I thought that if I started a new thread, more people would see it. I hope this is ok.]]>
Where do you ladies get your BO? I want to get it from a safe reputable company. Is it only possible to buy online?
Are you taking any other supplements? Is the BO the only supplement you need to get growth or do you need to add pituitary supplements as well?
How much BO do you take?
Do you do breast massages? I've always heard that breast massage is really important for growth but I've read some posts that discourge it when using BO. Can I massage with fennel or fenugreek?

Thank you so much for any answers.
~Marie~

I know I posted this earlier but I thought that if I started a new thread, more people would see it. I hope this is ok.]]> http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5284 Wed, 17 Mar 2010 12:36:05 -0500 http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5284 So my question is: should I wait a few days before going back to noogling? I´m a newbie with this method so I´m not sure what I should do.
thanks for any input!]]> So my question is: should I wait a few days before going back to noogling? I´m a newbie with this method so I´m not sure what I should do.
thanks for any input!]]> http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5282 Wed, 17 Mar 2010 06:10:39 -0500 http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5282 May 26 2006 at 1:17 PM Helen (Login Helen_N)
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An oil supplement rich in omega 6 will assist with NBE as omega 6 is essential for the good function of our hormonal system (most important for our NBE process). But certainly, proper, healthy blood circulation as well as healthy cell division in the growing process are also of vital importance, so we should not miss out on any of the omegas 6,9 either...

Each oil has specific benefits.
* "The best mono-unsaturated fat is the Oleic acid or Omega 9 found in high level in Olive Oil, Hazelnut oil, Almond oil or Sesame oil."

* "The best poly-unsaturated fats are Linolenic and linoleic fatty acids or omega 3 and 6. Omega 3, 6 are found in Flax seed oil, Hemp seed oil, Walnut oil and Grapeseed oil."

Hence a combined supplement of 3,6,9 can be beneficial...

For general health, there should be a balance between omega-6 and omega-3 fatty acids; the ratio should be in the range of 1:1 to 4:1.

In general, Omega 3 is found in fewer foods than omega 6. If you were to eat only one food to obtain these EFA's, then a good overall source and choice is flax seed - actually the best source is hemp seed, it might be harder to get hemp seed, but it contains the optimal ratio 3:1 of omega 6 and 3, 2.5-3.5% GLA.

Omega 6 is more important to the body than omega 3 and so the body requires more of it. Ironically, although omega 3 is the hardest EFA to find, flax contains about four times more omega 3 than omega 6.

According to human nutrition studies, the optimum ratio of omega 6 to omega 3 is 3:1. Flax has a ratio of about 1:4 (almost the direct opposite). So, although flax is the best overall source if eating one seed because it contains the more elusive omega 3, ideally you want combine flax with seeds high in the more important omega 6 to increase the omega 6 amount.

And here's where oils rich in omega 6, like EPO (8-10% GLA) and Borage oil (24% GLA) come into...]]> May 26 2006 at 1:17 PM Helen (Login Helen_N)
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An oil supplement rich in omega 6 will assist with NBE as omega 6 is essential for the good function of our hormonal system (most important for our NBE process). But certainly, proper, healthy blood circulation as well as healthy cell division in the growing process are also of vital importance, so we should not miss out on any of the omegas 6,9 either...

Each oil has specific benefits.
* "The best mono-unsaturated fat is the Oleic acid or Omega 9 found in high level in Olive Oil, Hazelnut oil, Almond oil or Sesame oil."

* "The best poly-unsaturated fats are Linolenic and linoleic fatty acids or omega 3 and 6. Omega 3, 6 are found in Flax seed oil, Hemp seed oil, Walnut oil and Grapeseed oil."

Hence a combined supplement of 3,6,9 can be beneficial...

For general health, there should be a balance between omega-6 and omega-3 fatty acids; the ratio should be in the range of 1:1 to 4:1.

In general, Omega 3 is found in fewer foods than omega 6. If you were to eat only one food to obtain these EFA's, then a good overall source and choice is flax seed - actually the best source is hemp seed, it might be harder to get hemp seed, but it contains the optimal ratio 3:1 of omega 6 and 3, 2.5-3.5% GLA.

Omega 6 is more important to the body than omega 3 and so the body requires more of it. Ironically, although omega 3 is the hardest EFA to find, flax contains about four times more omega 3 than omega 6.

According to human nutrition studies, the optimum ratio of omega 6 to omega 3 is 3:1. Flax has a ratio of about 1:4 (almost the direct opposite). So, although flax is the best overall source if eating one seed because it contains the more elusive omega 3, ideally you want combine flax with seeds high in the more important omega 6 to increase the omega 6 amount.

And here's where oils rich in omega 6, like EPO (8-10% GLA) and Borage oil (24% GLA) come into...]]> http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5281 Wed, 17 Mar 2010 06:07:37 -0500 http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5281 April 12 2006 at 3:25 PM Anonymous (no login)

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Safflower Flower Description:

Safflower is an annual herb whose botanical name is Carthamus tinctorius. It is a member of the Asteraceae family. It has long, spiny leaves and yellow or reddish flowers on a stiff, upright stem. The seeds produce an edible oil. Safflower grows to a height of about 3 ft (1 m) in poor, dry soils in full sun. The origins of this plant are not clear, although some herbalists suggest the basin of the Euphrates River. Today safflower grows wild in Iran, northwest India, and North Africa. It has also spread to the Far East and North America. Safflower is cultivated extensively both as a herb and as a food crop.

Other names for safflower include false saffron, dyer's saffron, American saffron, bastard saffron, Mexican saffron, and zaffer. Despite these names, safflower is in no way related to true saffron, although it is sometimes used to adulterate that spice because true saffron is very expensive and safflower is relatively cheap. In Chinese medicine, safflower flower is called hong hua; in India it is known as koosumbha.

General use:

Safflower flower has been used in traditional Chinese medicine for thousands of years. It is used to treat menstrual disorders. Safflower flower is an emmenagogue, meaning that it is given to bring on menstruation. Safflower is also used to treat menstrual pain, to firm up the uterus after childbirth, to ease stiffness and pain in the joints, and sometimes also to treat trauma to the abdomen. According to traditional Chinese usage, safflower flower is a blood regulator; that is, it invigorates and harmonizes the blood and dissolves blood clots. Safflower is said to have a warm nature and a pungent taste. Chinese practitioners use safflower oil in tui na massage.

Safflower flowers are also used to treat such childhood problems as measles, fevers, and skin rashes. Applied externally, safflower flower is used to cleanse wounds. Interestingly, on the other side of the world, North Americans used safflower flower in the nineteenth century in much the same way as the Chinese—to bring on menstruation and to treat measles. They also used it to induce sweating.

Safflower seeds can be pressed to produce an edible oil. The unpurified form of this oil is used as a laxative or purgative to cleanse the bowels. Processed safflower oil does not have laxative properties. The processed oil is used extensively in cooking and for making margarine and salad dressings. The oil is also used in paints and varnishes, and is burned for lighting where electricity is unavailable.

Safflower has other nonmedicinal uses. Its flowers produce a dye that in times past was used for dyeing silk yellow or red. Today, chemical dyes have largely replaced safflower dye. The flowers were also dried and ground together with finely powdered talc to produce cosmetic rouge.

Modern scientific research shows that safflower oil lowers serum cholesterol levels, making it useful in preventing heart disease. The claim has also been made that safflower flowers prevent coronary artery disease because they are a digestive bitter and assist in the digestion of oils. Infusions of safflower flowers are used to lower the accumulation of lactic acid in the muscles during athletic competition. In addition, a compound has been isolated from safflower that stimulates the immune system in mice. Additional studies are ongoing to confirm this effect.

More recently, safflower has been identified as the source of several flavonoids with strong antioxidative activity.


Flavonoids are water-soluble plant pigments that help to lower inflammation as well as counteract the damaging effects of oxidation on body tissues. Quercetin, which is one of the flavonoids found in safflower, is a well-known antioxidant.

As of 2002, several groups of Asian researchers are studying the effectiveness of traditional herbal medicines containing safflower extract in treating bone disease. Although these studies are still in their early stages, preliminary findings indicate that safflower extract inhibits bone resorption and thus may be useful in treating diseases involving bone loss.

Many other medicinal claims have been made for safflower that are less well documented by modern scientists. These include claims that it reduces pain; has antibacterial action; reduces fever; reduces enlarged breasts; and can be used to purge the body of parasitic worms.

Preparations:

Harvesting safflower flowers requires some care. The flowers are picked just as they begin to wilt and can be used fresh or dried. If they are to be dried, they must be kept away from sunlight during the drying process or they will lose their distinctive reddish-yellow color. Dried flowers are not normally kept more than one year.

Safflower flowers can be used alone or in formulas. They can be prepared as dried powder, tinctures, or decoctions. Used alone, a common daily dosage is 3 g of decoction or 1 g of powder. A standard infusion of safflower flowers uses 4–8 oz of dried flowers. A common Chinese formula that uses safflower flower is pseudoginseng and dragon blood formula. This formula is used to treat traumatic injuries such as sprains or fractures that are accompanied by pain and swelling. The role of the safflower flower in this formula is to move congealed blood and reduce pain.

Precautions:

Because safflower flower brings on menstruation, it should not be used by pregnant women. Large doses can cause spontaneous abortion. In addition, because safflower may prolong blood clotting time, it should not be given to patients with peptic ulcers or hemorrhagic illnesses.

Side effects:
The unprocessed oil of safflower seed can cause severe diarrhea.

Interactions:

Safflower flower is often used in conjunction with other Chinese herbs with no reported interactions. As of 2002, there are no reported interactions of safflower extract or oil with standard pharmaceuticals. Its use in dissolving clots, however, suggests that it should not be taken with allopathic medications given to thin the blood.]]> April 12 2006 at 3:25 PM Anonymous (no login)

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Safflower Flower Description:

Safflower is an annual herb whose botanical name is Carthamus tinctorius. It is a member of the Asteraceae family. It has long, spiny leaves and yellow or reddish flowers on a stiff, upright stem. The seeds produce an edible oil. Safflower grows to a height of about 3 ft (1 m) in poor, dry soils in full sun. The origins of this plant are not clear, although some herbalists suggest the basin of the Euphrates River. Today safflower grows wild in Iran, northwest India, and North Africa. It has also spread to the Far East and North America. Safflower is cultivated extensively both as a herb and as a food crop.

Other names for safflower include false saffron, dyer's saffron, American saffron, bastard saffron, Mexican saffron, and zaffer. Despite these names, safflower is in no way related to true saffron, although it is sometimes used to adulterate that spice because true saffron is very expensive and safflower is relatively cheap. In Chinese medicine, safflower flower is called hong hua; in India it is known as koosumbha.

General use:

Safflower flower has been used in traditional Chinese medicine for thousands of years. It is used to treat menstrual disorders. Safflower flower is an emmenagogue, meaning that it is given to bring on menstruation. Safflower is also used to treat menstrual pain, to firm up the uterus after childbirth, to ease stiffness and pain in the joints, and sometimes also to treat trauma to the abdomen. According to traditional Chinese usage, safflower flower is a blood regulator; that is, it invigorates and harmonizes the blood and dissolves blood clots. Safflower is said to have a warm nature and a pungent taste. Chinese practitioners use safflower oil in tui na massage.

Safflower flowers are also used to treat such childhood problems as measles, fevers, and skin rashes. Applied externally, safflower flower is used to cleanse wounds. Interestingly, on the other side of the world, North Americans used safflower flower in the nineteenth century in much the same way as the Chinese—to bring on menstruation and to treat measles. They also used it to induce sweating.

Safflower seeds can be pressed to produce an edible oil. The unpurified form of this oil is used as a laxative or purgative to cleanse the bowels. Processed safflower oil does not have laxative properties. The processed oil is used extensively in cooking and for making margarine and salad dressings. The oil is also used in paints and varnishes, and is burned for lighting where electricity is unavailable.

Safflower has other nonmedicinal uses. Its flowers produce a dye that in times past was used for dyeing silk yellow or red. Today, chemical dyes have largely replaced safflower dye. The flowers were also dried and ground together with finely powdered talc to produce cosmetic rouge.

Modern scientific research shows that safflower oil lowers serum cholesterol levels, making it useful in preventing heart disease. The claim has also been made that safflower flowers prevent coronary artery disease because they are a digestive bitter and assist in the digestion of oils. Infusions of safflower flowers are used to lower the accumulation of lactic acid in the muscles during athletic competition. In addition, a compound has been isolated from safflower that stimulates the immune system in mice. Additional studies are ongoing to confirm this effect.

More recently, safflower has been identified as the source of several flavonoids with strong antioxidative activity.


Flavonoids are water-soluble plant pigments that help to lower inflammation as well as counteract the damaging effects of oxidation on body tissues. Quercetin, which is one of the flavonoids found in safflower, is a well-known antioxidant.

As of 2002, several groups of Asian researchers are studying the effectiveness of traditional herbal medicines containing safflower extract in treating bone disease. Although these studies are still in their early stages, preliminary findings indicate that safflower extract inhibits bone resorption and thus may be useful in treating diseases involving bone loss.

Many other medicinal claims have been made for safflower that are less well documented by modern scientists. These include claims that it reduces pain; has antibacterial action; reduces fever; reduces enlarged breasts; and can be used to purge the body of parasitic worms.

Preparations:

Harvesting safflower flowers requires some care. The flowers are picked just as they begin to wilt and can be used fresh or dried. If they are to be dried, they must be kept away from sunlight during the drying process or they will lose their distinctive reddish-yellow color. Dried flowers are not normally kept more than one year.

Safflower flowers can be used alone or in formulas. They can be prepared as dried powder, tinctures, or decoctions. Used alone, a common daily dosage is 3 g of decoction or 1 g of powder. A standard infusion of safflower flowers uses 4–8 oz of dried flowers. A common Chinese formula that uses safflower flower is pseudoginseng and dragon blood formula. This formula is used to treat traumatic injuries such as sprains or fractures that are accompanied by pain and swelling. The role of the safflower flower in this formula is to move congealed blood and reduce pain.

Precautions:

Because safflower flower brings on menstruation, it should not be used by pregnant women. Large doses can cause spontaneous abortion. In addition, because safflower may prolong blood clotting time, it should not be given to patients with peptic ulcers or hemorrhagic illnesses.

Side effects:
The unprocessed oil of safflower seed can cause severe diarrhea.

Interactions:

Safflower flower is often used in conjunction with other Chinese herbs with no reported interactions. As of 2002, there are no reported interactions of safflower extract or oil with standard pharmaceuticals. Its use in dissolving clots, however, suggests that it should not be taken with allopathic medications given to thin the blood.]]> http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5280 Wed, 17 Mar 2010 06:06:40 -0500 http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5280 March 9 2006 at 8:08 AM Mrs.Taylor (no login)

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~SAW PALMETTO~Saw palmetto is now a popular and effective treatment for prostate enlargement in men but has it’s origins in natural medicine as a breast enlarger and is still recommended today by naturopathic physicians for increasing breast size. It is also used as an aphrodesiac, for the treatment of impotence in men, and for inhibited sexual desire in women. Saw palmetto has been used for centuries. Native Americans, dating back to pre-Mayan civilizations, used the berries for food and medicine and particularly for breast disorders in women. Early American botanists noted that animals who were fed with these berries grew sleek and robust, experienced restored sexual vigor and improved muscle tone. Saw palmetto is useful as a nutritive tonic, supporting the function of a healthy appetite and smooth digestion. Saw palmetto berry also tones the urethra, and it may be used to uphold the healthy function of the thyroid gland and urinary system. This remarkable herb has no side effects or drug interactions. It’s breast enhancing effects stem from phyto-nutrients that stimulate breast tissue, increasing health and size. To call saw palmetto a “man’s herb” is a disservice to it’s healthy benefits for both sexes.

Saw Palmetto is also proving to revive mammary glands in recent studies.




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*the berries are found on Saw Palmetto trees in Florida.

*Commonly known as a "mans herb" also very effective for a woman.

*It works by preventing testosterone from converting into DHT

*Long continued use is said to slowly and surely cause the mammary glands to increase.

*Can give you fuller hair,clearer skin,boost libido in women.

*it was also used to increase sperm production in men and enlarge breasts in women.

* there is preliminary evidence that saw palmetto aids those suffering from thyroid deficiency.

SIDE EFFECTS:
An OD could cause mild dizziness,upset stomach, nausea, vomiting, constipation or diarrhea.]]> March 9 2006 at 8:08 AM Mrs.Taylor (no login)

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~SAW PALMETTO~Saw palmetto is now a popular and effective treatment for prostate enlargement in men but has it’s origins in natural medicine as a breast enlarger and is still recommended today by naturopathic physicians for increasing breast size. It is also used as an aphrodesiac, for the treatment of impotence in men, and for inhibited sexual desire in women. Saw palmetto has been used for centuries. Native Americans, dating back to pre-Mayan civilizations, used the berries for food and medicine and particularly for breast disorders in women. Early American botanists noted that animals who were fed with these berries grew sleek and robust, experienced restored sexual vigor and improved muscle tone. Saw palmetto is useful as a nutritive tonic, supporting the function of a healthy appetite and smooth digestion. Saw palmetto berry also tones the urethra, and it may be used to uphold the healthy function of the thyroid gland and urinary system. This remarkable herb has no side effects or drug interactions. It’s breast enhancing effects stem from phyto-nutrients that stimulate breast tissue, increasing health and size. To call saw palmetto a “man’s herb” is a disservice to it’s healthy benefits for both sexes.

Saw Palmetto is also proving to revive mammary glands in recent studies.




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EVE MEMBERS Quick review March 10 2006, 11:00 PM


*the berries are found on Saw Palmetto trees in Florida.

*Commonly known as a "mans herb" also very effective for a woman.

*It works by preventing testosterone from converting into DHT

*Long continued use is said to slowly and surely cause the mammary glands to increase.

*Can give you fuller hair,clearer skin,boost libido in women.

*it was also used to increase sperm production in men and enlarge breasts in women.

* there is preliminary evidence that saw palmetto aids those suffering from thyroid deficiency.

SIDE EFFECTS:
An OD could cause mild dizziness,upset stomach, nausea, vomiting, constipation or diarrhea.]]> http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5279 Wed, 17 Mar 2010 06:04:06 -0500 http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5279 March 8 2008 at 7:36 PM waxingmoon (Login waxingmoon)
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This was originally posted by May on the main forum, but I thought it should be recorded here as well... waxingmoon


March 6 2008 at 11:08 PM posted by may (Login Cselestyna)


hi! so i had no idea what galactogouges were and this is something i found on the net. i only put the findings for the herbals part, the others were drugs, and there for not Natural, and seemed kind of harmful, so here is the herbal part of the report i found!


i wasn't sure if the whole background would be helpful or not, so i just copied and pasted the whole thing. (BTW i found this on a site dedicated to breast feeding)


BACKGROUND
Galactogogues (or lactogogues) are medications or other substances believed to assist initiation,
maintenance, or augmentation of maternal milk production.Breast milk production is a complex physiologic process involving physical and
emotional factors and the interaction of multiple hormones, the most important of which is believed to be
prolactin. With parturition and expulsion of the placenta, progesterone falls and a full milk supply is
initiated (Lactogenesis II).2 Through interaction with the hypothalamus and anterior pituitary, dopamine
agonists inhibit, and dopamine antagonists increase, prolactin secretion and thereby milk production
(endocrine control). Thereafter, prolactin levels gradually decrease but milk supply is maintained or
increased by local feedback mechanisms (autocrine control).3
Therefore, an increase in prolactin levels is
needed to increase, but not maintain, milk supply. If the breasts are not emptied regularly and thoroughly,
milk production declines. Likewise, more frequent and thorough emptying of the breasts typically results in
increased milk production. Use of galactogogues for faltering milk supply should generally be reserved for
situations after both a thorough evaluation for treatable causes (e.g., maternal hypothyroidism or
medication) and increased frequency of breastfeeding or pumping or expression has not been successful.


HERBAL/NATURAL GALACTOGOUGES
Throughout world history women have used certain herbs or foods to enhance their milk supply. Most of
these substances have not been scientifically evaluated but traditional use suggests safety and some
efficacy. The mechanisms of action for all are unknown. Herbs commonly mentioned as galactogogues
include Fenugreek, Goat’s Rue, Milk Thistle, Anise, Basil, Blessed Thistle, Fennel seeds, Marshmallow, and
others. Beer is commonly used in some cultures, but alcohol may actually reduce milk production and there
is no evidence to support that the yeasts in beer are effective galactogogues.
It is of note that herbs and dietary supplements were removed by the Federal 1994 Dietary Supplement
Act from undergoing the rigorous evaluation by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration that is required for
drugs. The composition of herbal and dietary supplements are unknown and have been known to contain
toxic substances. This is especially true for herbs from mainland China. There is no standard dosing,
preparation, or composition, and fraudulent preparations may be a risk.


Fenugreek (Trigonella foenum-graecum) is the most commonly recommended herbal galactogogue,
treasured as a spice and medicine throughout India and the Middle East for thousands of years. It is a
member of the pea family listed as GRAS (generally regarded as safe) by the U.S. Food and Drug
Administration. Usual dose is one to four capsules (580–610 mg) three to four times per day, although as
with most herbal remedies there is no standard dosing. The higher of these doses may be required in
relactating or adoptive mothers. Alternatively, it can be taken as one cup of strained tea three times per day
(¼ tsp seeds steeped in 8 oz water for 10 minutes).33
Huggins34 reported the anecdotal use of fenugreek in at
least 1200 women with increased milk supply within 24 to 72 hours. Reported side effects are rare: maple
like odor to sweat, milk, and urine; diarrhea; and increased asthmatic symptoms. Use during pregnancy is
not recommended because of its uterine stimulant effects. Fenugreek is known to lower blood glucose, so
caution is advised. Two recent preliminary reports suggest effectiveness.35,36


Goat’s Rue (Galega officinalis) is a traditional galactogogue, widely recommended in Europe, based
on observations of increased milk supply when fed to cows in the 1900s. No controlled human trials have
been done, and no adverse effects have been reported with the following possible exception: Maternal
ingestion of a lactation tea containing extracts of licorice (Glycyrrhiza glabra), fennel, anise, and goat’s rue
was linked to drowsiness, hypotonia, lethargy, emesis, and poor suckling in two breastfed neonates. An
infection work-up was negative, and symptoms and signs resolved on discontinuation of the tea and a 2-day
break from breastfeeding.37
The tea was not tested for contaminants or adulterants, and there have been no
other adverse events reported in Europe or South America, where the herb is also used as a hypoglycemic
agent. It is usually used as a tea (1 tsp dried leaves steeped in 8 oz water for 10 minutes) with 1 cup taken
three times a day.33


Milk thistle (Silybum marianum) has been used historically throughout Europe, but there are no
randomized controlled trials to validate its use. The plant is still commonly known as St. Mary’s thistle in
honor of the Virgin Mary. Early Christians believed that the white colored veins in the leaves were
symbolic of her breast milk. The American Herbal Products Association gives it a rating of 1, meaning that
the herb may be safely consumed when used appropriately and does not contraindicate its use during
lactation.38
It is used as a strained tea (simmer 1 tsp crushed seeds in 8 oz water for 10 minutes) taking two
to three cups per day.


(this information was C/Ped from a breastfeeding report.)
here is the site address if you are wondering

http://breastfeedingmadesimple.com/bms%2...gogues.pdf




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Kellymom.com has an excellent and extensive list of galactagogues.

http://www.kellymom.com/herbal/milksuppl...gogue.html


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March 6 2008 at 11:08 PM posted by may (Login Cselestyna)


hi! so i had no idea what galactogouges were and this is something i found on the net. i only put the findings for the herbals part, the others were drugs, and there for not Natural, and seemed kind of harmful, so here is the herbal part of the report i found!


i wasn't sure if the whole background would be helpful or not, so i just copied and pasted the whole thing. (BTW i found this on a site dedicated to breast feeding)


BACKGROUND
Galactogogues (or lactogogues) are medications or other substances believed to assist initiation,
maintenance, or augmentation of maternal milk production.Breast milk production is a complex physiologic process involving physical and
emotional factors and the interaction of multiple hormones, the most important of which is believed to be
prolactin. With parturition and expulsion of the placenta, progesterone falls and a full milk supply is
initiated (Lactogenesis II).2 Through interaction with the hypothalamus and anterior pituitary, dopamine
agonists inhibit, and dopamine antagonists increase, prolactin secretion and thereby milk production
(endocrine control). Thereafter, prolactin levels gradually decrease but milk supply is maintained or
increased by local feedback mechanisms (autocrine control).3
Therefore, an increase in prolactin levels is
needed to increase, but not maintain, milk supply. If the breasts are not emptied regularly and thoroughly,
milk production declines. Likewise, more frequent and thorough emptying of the breasts typically results in
increased milk production. Use of galactogogues for faltering milk supply should generally be reserved for
situations after both a thorough evaluation for treatable causes (e.g., maternal hypothyroidism or
medication) and increased frequency of breastfeeding or pumping or expression has not been successful.


HERBAL/NATURAL GALACTOGOUGES
Throughout world history women have used certain herbs or foods to enhance their milk supply. Most of
these substances have not been scientifically evaluated but traditional use suggests safety and some
efficacy. The mechanisms of action for all are unknown. Herbs commonly mentioned as galactogogues
include Fenugreek, Goat’s Rue, Milk Thistle, Anise, Basil, Blessed Thistle, Fennel seeds, Marshmallow, and
others. Beer is commonly used in some cultures, but alcohol may actually reduce milk production and there
is no evidence to support that the yeasts in beer are effective galactogogues.
It is of note that herbs and dietary supplements were removed by the Federal 1994 Dietary Supplement
Act from undergoing the rigorous evaluation by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration that is required for
drugs. The composition of herbal and dietary supplements are unknown and have been known to contain
toxic substances. This is especially true for herbs from mainland China. There is no standard dosing,
preparation, or composition, and fraudulent preparations may be a risk.


Fenugreek (Trigonella foenum-graecum) is the most commonly recommended herbal galactogogue,
treasured as a spice and medicine throughout India and the Middle East for thousands of years. It is a
member of the pea family listed as GRAS (generally regarded as safe) by the U.S. Food and Drug
Administration. Usual dose is one to four capsules (580–610 mg) three to four times per day, although as
with most herbal remedies there is no standard dosing. The higher of these doses may be required in
relactating or adoptive mothers. Alternatively, it can be taken as one cup of strained tea three times per day
(¼ tsp seeds steeped in 8 oz water for 10 minutes).33
Huggins34 reported the anecdotal use of fenugreek in at
least 1200 women with increased milk supply within 24 to 72 hours. Reported side effects are rare: maple
like odor to sweat, milk, and urine; diarrhea; and increased asthmatic symptoms. Use during pregnancy is
not recommended because of its uterine stimulant effects. Fenugreek is known to lower blood glucose, so
caution is advised. Two recent preliminary reports suggest effectiveness.35,36


Goat’s Rue (Galega officinalis) is a traditional galactogogue, widely recommended in Europe, based
on observations of increased milk supply when fed to cows in the 1900s. No controlled human trials have
been done, and no adverse effects have been reported with the following possible exception: Maternal
ingestion of a lactation tea containing extracts of licorice (Glycyrrhiza glabra), fennel, anise, and goat’s rue
was linked to drowsiness, hypotonia, lethargy, emesis, and poor suckling in two breastfed neonates. An
infection work-up was negative, and symptoms and signs resolved on discontinuation of the tea and a 2-day
break from breastfeeding.37
The tea was not tested for contaminants or adulterants, and there have been no
other adverse events reported in Europe or South America, where the herb is also used as a hypoglycemic
agent. It is usually used as a tea (1 tsp dried leaves steeped in 8 oz water for 10 minutes) with 1 cup taken
three times a day.33


Milk thistle (Silybum marianum) has been used historically throughout Europe, but there are no
randomized controlled trials to validate its use. The plant is still commonly known as St. Mary’s thistle in
honor of the Virgin Mary. Early Christians believed that the white colored veins in the leaves were
symbolic of her breast milk. The American Herbal Products Association gives it a rating of 1, meaning that
the herb may be safely consumed when used appropriately and does not contraindicate its use during
lactation.38
It is used as a strained tea (simmer 1 tsp crushed seeds in 8 oz water for 10 minutes) taking two
to three cups per day.


(this information was C/Ped from a breastfeeding report.)
here is the site address if you are wondering

http://breastfeedingmadesimple.com/bms%2...gogues.pdf




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SENIOR MEMBER Re: Galactogouges March 8 2008, 9:33 PM


Kellymom.com has an excellent and extensive list of galactagogues.

http://www.kellymom.com/herbal/milksuppl...gogue.html


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Hopeful88
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SENIOR MEMBER Re: Galactogouges March 9 2008, 5:16 AM


Wow that website was soo informative! thanks!]]> http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5278 Wed, 17 Mar 2010 05:54:36 -0500 http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5278 April 5 2007 at 2:01 AM waxingmoon (Login waxingmoon)
SENIOR MEMBER

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If you are like me and suffering from Estrogen Dominance the following link may be of some help:

http://www.dietaryfiberfood.com/lignan.php

I found an article that pointed out that supplementing with natural progesterone cream was not enough in dealing with excess estrogen. The article suggested avoiding contact with xeno-estrogens (from pesticides, plastics, solvents, steroids in meats, etc) and using low dose phytoestrogens to take up the estrogen receptor sites (and this block them from the more powerful xeno-estrogens).

I looked around and finally found a reference to lignans. These low dose phytoestrogens should help those who are battling estrogen dominance.

For those who don't want to follow the link (good info with a chart and lots of numbers!!! lol) here is a basic list:

Flax seed (the highest), pumpkin seeds, sesame seeds, rye, broccoli, curly kale, garlic, beans, apricot, strawberry, peach, olive oil, grape juice and tomato juice... and the list goes on and on...

The above has now become my current snack list...

waxingmoon]]> April 5 2007 at 2:01 AM waxingmoon (Login waxingmoon)
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If you are like me and suffering from Estrogen Dominance the following link may be of some help:

http://www.dietaryfiberfood.com/lignan.php

I found an article that pointed out that supplementing with natural progesterone cream was not enough in dealing with excess estrogen. The article suggested avoiding contact with xeno-estrogens (from pesticides, plastics, solvents, steroids in meats, etc) and using low dose phytoestrogens to take up the estrogen receptor sites (and this block them from the more powerful xeno-estrogens).

I looked around and finally found a reference to lignans. These low dose phytoestrogens should help those who are battling estrogen dominance.

For those who don't want to follow the link (good info with a chart and lots of numbers!!! lol) here is a basic list:

Flax seed (the highest), pumpkin seeds, sesame seeds, rye, broccoli, curly kale, garlic, beans, apricot, strawberry, peach, olive oil, grape juice and tomato juice... and the list goes on and on...

The above has now become my current snack list...

waxingmoon]]> http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5277 Wed, 17 Mar 2010 05:47:48 -0500 http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5277 December 3 2008 at 3:20 PM
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Junk Food Boosts Boob Size in Younger Generations
What else?


By Stefan Anitei, Science Editor

16th of November 2007, 20:46 GMT


This is scientifically proven: women, at least in the western world, are getting bigger breasts with each generation. A new report made by Daily Mail states that on average, British women have passed in just 10 years from bra size 34B to 36C.

This has forced lingerie companies to come with stocks of GG, H, HH and J-cup bras for the first time, and even 3 different K-cup bras. It appears that the next generations will see a lot of 'Pamela Andersons' on the streets, only that the boobs will be natural.

It's easy to think that it's all due to silicone implants: indeed, women aged 21-30 age appeal to breast augmentation in 60 % of the cases, compared to just 7 % undergoing breast reduction. But these women form a small percentage of the overall.

Of course, women experience natural fluctuations of breast size: boobs grow in the week before the period, due to hormonal changes. Contraceptive pills too boost breast size. In the end, they are just mixes of hormones. "There is a tendency for the pill to stimulate breast growth. However, modern versions of the pill contain far less estrogen than their older counterparts, so it is not fair to attribute this shift in its entirety to the pill." Said Professor Pierre-Marc Cilles Bouloux, a consultant endocrinologist and physician at The London Clinic.

Polluted waters with sewer and industrial wastes can contain chemicals mimicking estrogen. This residual estrogen can enter water supply or accumulate in fish people consume. It has been speculated that some aliments, from soy bean to almonds, would comprise boob boosting factors.

There are also available today many products aimed for breast enhancing, natural or not, like extract of the Thai legume called Kwao Krua (Pueraria mirifica), which comes as pills, tea or chewing gum, and releases three phytoestrogens, mimicking estrogens, like
isoflavone.

Still, most experts blame this on an overall weight: if women of the '50s displayed 27.5in (70 cm) waist, the modern average is 34in (85 cm). "The larger we become overall, then the larger women's breasts will become. Breasts are increasing because women today have a higher proportion of fat in their breasts than they used to," said Dr Joanna Scurr, a principal lecturer in biomechanics at the University of Portsmouth and breast biomechanics expert.

"The structure of the breast is divided into the functional glandular element - comprising the milk ducts and support tissues - and fat. The functional part of the breast changes size at certain points during a woman's life. It will get bigger when she's pregnant and breast-feeding - this is why women's breasts generally get bigger at this time, and smaller when they're going through the menopause. This is because the body no longer needs the breast for milk. But otherwise this functional part of the breast doesn't change. So the increased breast size is due to the increase in fat that women carry." said Scurr.

Thus junk food seems to be the culprit. "All those calories end up on the hips, and breasts. Women are also drinking far too much alcohol, which is not only unhealthy but highly calorific." nutritionist Jane Clarke told Daily Mail.

"I'm only a size eight, so I can't blame my large breasts on being overweight. It's true that men zoom in on them, but I can't wear fashionable backless tops or boob tubes because they don't offer any support. When you've got large breasts it's incredibly expensive to buy wellfitting bras because they cost at least �30 - and that's without the matching knickers. I look at the older generations in my family and I'm envious of their figures." Jane-Louise Atherton, a 22-year-old fitness instructor, better endowed than her mother and grandmother, told Daily Mail.

"It's strange how bust sizes are getting bigger, although it's difficult to tell which breasts are natural and which are false. Women are taller, curvier and even their feet are bigger.", said Jane-Louise's grandmother Betty Cox, 80, possessor of 34B breasts. "I think it must be down to all this processed food and sugary sweets that young people eat today. I have lots of friends who look at their daughter's breasts and wonder where they have come from." said Jane-Louise's mother Linda, a 34DD.

"Young girls wore vests, not bras, when we were growing up and I didn't buy a bra until I was 15. I have definitely noticed that young girls today are lucky enough to have the sort of ample bosom that my generation could only have dreamed of.", said Yvonne Clark, 69, told Daily Mail.

"My friends and I still had the underdeveloped bodies of children when we were 18. I wore my first bra some time after 15. Diet and lifestyle are so different these days. When I was growing up we ate a basic diet of meat, game and vegetables. Chocolates, sweets and puddings were a treat and we'd spend our time riding our bikes and playing outdoor games - not sitting in front of computers. I'm not surprised the young generation are bigger all over - I probably would have been if I'd consumed all that they do.", added 67-year-old Barbara Haywood, 36B, a ballroom dancing instructor, whose 22-year-old granddaughter Miranda has 30G breasts.]]> December 3 2008 at 3:20 PM
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Junk Food Boosts Boob Size in Younger Generations
What else?


By Stefan Anitei, Science Editor

16th of November 2007, 20:46 GMT


This is scientifically proven: women, at least in the western world, are getting bigger breasts with each generation. A new report made by Daily Mail states that on average, British women have passed in just 10 years from bra size 34B to 36C.

This has forced lingerie companies to come with stocks of GG, H, HH and J-cup bras for the first time, and even 3 different K-cup bras. It appears that the next generations will see a lot of 'Pamela Andersons' on the streets, only that the boobs will be natural.

It's easy to think that it's all due to silicone implants: indeed, women aged 21-30 age appeal to breast augmentation in 60 % of the cases, compared to just 7 % undergoing breast reduction. But these women form a small percentage of the overall.

Of course, women experience natural fluctuations of breast size: boobs grow in the week before the period, due to hormonal changes. Contraceptive pills too boost breast size. In the end, they are just mixes of hormones. "There is a tendency for the pill to stimulate breast growth. However, modern versions of the pill contain far less estrogen than their older counterparts, so it is not fair to attribute this shift in its entirety to the pill." Said Professor Pierre-Marc Cilles Bouloux, a consultant endocrinologist and physician at The London Clinic.

Polluted waters with sewer and industrial wastes can contain chemicals mimicking estrogen. This residual estrogen can enter water supply or accumulate in fish people consume. It has been speculated that some aliments, from soy bean to almonds, would comprise boob boosting factors.

There are also available today many products aimed for breast enhancing, natural or not, like extract of the Thai legume called Kwao Krua (Pueraria mirifica), which comes as pills, tea or chewing gum, and releases three phytoestrogens, mimicking estrogens, like
isoflavone.

Still, most experts blame this on an overall weight: if women of the '50s displayed 27.5in (70 cm) waist, the modern average is 34in (85 cm). "The larger we become overall, then the larger women's breasts will become. Breasts are increasing because women today have a higher proportion of fat in their breasts than they used to," said Dr Joanna Scurr, a principal lecturer in biomechanics at the University of Portsmouth and breast biomechanics expert.

"The structure of the breast is divided into the functional glandular element - comprising the milk ducts and support tissues - and fat. The functional part of the breast changes size at certain points during a woman's life. It will get bigger when she's pregnant and breast-feeding - this is why women's breasts generally get bigger at this time, and smaller when they're going through the menopause. This is because the body no longer needs the breast for milk. But otherwise this functional part of the breast doesn't change. So the increased breast size is due to the increase in fat that women carry." said Scurr.

Thus junk food seems to be the culprit. "All those calories end up on the hips, and breasts. Women are also drinking far too much alcohol, which is not only unhealthy but highly calorific." nutritionist Jane Clarke told Daily Mail.

"I'm only a size eight, so I can't blame my large breasts on being overweight. It's true that men zoom in on them, but I can't wear fashionable backless tops or boob tubes because they don't offer any support. When you've got large breasts it's incredibly expensive to buy wellfitting bras because they cost at least �30 - and that's without the matching knickers. I look at the older generations in my family and I'm envious of their figures." Jane-Louise Atherton, a 22-year-old fitness instructor, better endowed than her mother and grandmother, told Daily Mail.

"It's strange how bust sizes are getting bigger, although it's difficult to tell which breasts are natural and which are false. Women are taller, curvier and even their feet are bigger.", said Jane-Louise's grandmother Betty Cox, 80, possessor of 34B breasts. "I think it must be down to all this processed food and sugary sweets that young people eat today. I have lots of friends who look at their daughter's breasts and wonder where they have come from." said Jane-Louise's mother Linda, a 34DD.

"Young girls wore vests, not bras, when we were growing up and I didn't buy a bra until I was 15. I have definitely noticed that young girls today are lucky enough to have the sort of ample bosom that my generation could only have dreamed of.", said Yvonne Clark, 69, told Daily Mail.

"My friends and I still had the underdeveloped bodies of children when we were 18. I wore my first bra some time after 15. Diet and lifestyle are so different these days. When I was growing up we ate a basic diet of meat, game and vegetables. Chocolates, sweets and puddings were a treat and we'd spend our time riding our bikes and playing outdoor games - not sitting in front of computers. I'm not surprised the young generation are bigger all over - I probably would have been if I'd consumed all that they do.", added 67-year-old Barbara Haywood, 36B, a ballroom dancing instructor, whose 22-year-old granddaughter Miranda has 30G breasts.]]> http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5276 Wed, 17 Mar 2010 05:42:25 -0500 http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=5276 January 21 2007 at 3:30 PM waxingmoon (Login waxingmoon)
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Below I have pasted some information I found on this website:

http://www.labrada.com/member/week186.htm

The article is written for men about the testosterone lowering effects of some of these herbs. I took the liberty of editing heavily to paste just the parts that would be of interest to us. Keep in mind, what Kalman says about herbs and breast cancer is his opinion. He does not back up what he says with studies. This does not mean he is wrong, but it also does not mean he is right either. Also, his article mentions herbal studies and refers to them, but the study he is taking his information from was not listed.

-----------------------------------------------------------


by Douglas Kalman MS, RD, FACN

Plants come alive:

It is estimated that 80% of the world's population still relies on natural phytotherapy (foods, plants, herbs, etc.) as a major source of medicine. Through the years, certain foods and herbs have been recognized for their use in treating sex hormone related conditions. For some, this may be menopause, while others it is libido enhancement. Interestingly enough, many of these phytotherapeutic agents are not detected by conventional testing methods. Fortunately, scientists have developed methods for identifying the estrogenic content and bioactivity of foods, herbs and other related agents (1-3).

The herbs tested for ER binding activity were also tested for their ability to stimulate cell proliferation in breast cancer cells. Table 1 lists the results regarding ER binding potential. Soy milk and the 11 herbs/spices listed are with the highest activity and are expressed in total estradiol binding equivalents per 200 cc (6 oz.) of soy milk or 2 grams of dried herb.

TABLE 1

Herbs and Spices Containing ER (estrogen receptor) Binding Components

Micrograms of Estradiol Equivalents/200 cc or 2 gm Dry Herb


Soy milk 8/200cc
Yucca 0.5
Licorice 4/2 gm
Tumeric 0.5
Red Clover 3
Hops 0.5
Mandrake 3
Verbenna 0.5
Bloodroot 2
Yellow Dock 0.5
Thyme 2
Sheep sorrel 0.5


It is important to understand that just because a food, herb or spice has ER binding capability, it does not mean that it inhibits estrogen formation or acts as a natural aromatase inhibitor. In fact, the total opposite is true. In short, Table 1 indicates that the 12 listed agents have estrogenic activity at low physiological doses.

The Connection to Cancer:

If breast cancer runs in your family, especially estrogenic receptor positive breast cancer (ER+BCA), that paying attention to what you eat and supplement with becomes of utmost importance. Now, you may be thinking that this doesn't directly affect you. Perhaps, but since breast cancer effects 1 in 9 females over a lifetime, chances are we all know someone who has it or will have it in our lifetime. Therefore, it is my belief that having information that may affect risk of breast cancer, it is important that we all know and share the information. Within the limited scope of this article, the information presented fits into potential supplements and foods or spices to avoid. Table 2 lists the results of the research examining the effects of the herbs on ER (+) breast cancer cells. Any herb or spice with a score above 400 has greater estrogenic activity than estradiol.

TABLE 2

Effects of ER(estrogen receptor) binding herbs on ER (+) Breast Cancer Cells


Coumestrol 2500
Licorice 1600
Jumiper 100
Bloodroot 0
Red Clover 3000
Nutmeg 200
Mistletoe 500
White Clover 500
Dong Quai 200
Yucca 2600
Thyme 2
Damiana 200


Table 2 indicates that coumestrol, red clover, mistletoe, don quai, hops, licorice, white clover, yucca and motherwort are more estrogenic than estradiol! For people at risk for breast cancer avoiding the aforementioned herbs and spices seems prudent.


Table 3 notes the progesterone-like activity of herbs and spices.

TABLE 3

Micrograms of Progesterone Equivalents/2 g Dry Herb


Bloodroot 100
Thyme 4
Ocotillo 8
Calamus Root 3
Mandrake 8
Red Clover 3
Oregano 8
Goldenseal 3
Damiana 6
Licorice 3
Pennyroyal 5
Mistletoe 3
Verbena 5
Cumin 2
Nutmeg 4
Fennel 2
Tumeric 4
Camomille 2
Yucca 4
Cloves 2


According to the researchers, none of the herbs tested are progesterone antagonists (the abortion pill and sometimes used bodybuilding drug, RU486 is a progesterone antagonist). However, red clover, licorice, goldenseal, pennyroyal and nutmeg are progestin (a progesterone-like hormone) antagonists. The herb with the greatest progesterone receptor binding activity was bloodroot. Interestingly enough, in alternative medicine, bloodroot, mandrake, pennyroyal, yucca and mistletoe are all used to bring on menses. These


About the Author: Douglas S. Kalman MS, RD is a Director at Miami Research

Associates (http://www.miamiresearch.com). He is also active with

http://www.sportsnutritionsociety.org and a consultant to NIKE Inc.




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SENIOR MEMBER Bloodroot Dangers March 5 2007, 4:14 AM


Just in case anyone was like me seeing Bloodroots high progesterone score and thinking, hmmmm, maybe I could use bloodroot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodroot


Bad news herb - toxic internally and externally. Maybe if you wanted to remove warts... but nothing else.

Stay away from bloodroot.

waxingmoon


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Anonymous
(Login Sarabell239) exactly what i was thinking. March 24 2007, 8:41 AM


thanks+


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Davilee
(Login Davi-lee) Caution on Pennyroyal... July 24 2007, 9:58 AM


Be careful of pennyroyal also.It can be toxic at certain levels *Internally.
It contains 85-92% Pulegone oil. i/2 teasp can produce convulsions and coma.
It was used as an abortifacient in older days.The amount that would bring those results are about the same amount that can poison you.
It was also used to promote menses.
There are two very different species.
European Pennyroyal, Mentha pulegium
American Pennyroyal,Hedeoma pulegiodes
Making a tea out of it doesnt look like a problem.
It makes a great insect repellent]]> January 21 2007 at 3:30 PM waxingmoon (Login waxingmoon)
SENIOR MEMBER

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Below I have pasted some information I found on this website:

http://www.labrada.com/member/week186.htm

The article is written for men about the testosterone lowering effects of some of these herbs. I took the liberty of editing heavily to paste just the parts that would be of interest to us. Keep in mind, what Kalman says about herbs and breast cancer is his opinion. He does not back up what he says with studies. This does not mean he is wrong, but it also does not mean he is right either. Also, his article mentions herbal studies and refers to them, but the study he is taking his information from was not listed.

-----------------------------------------------------------


by Douglas Kalman MS, RD, FACN

Plants come alive:

It is estimated that 80% of the world's population still relies on natural phytotherapy (foods, plants, herbs, etc.) as a major source of medicine. Through the years, certain foods and herbs have been recognized for their use in treating sex hormone related conditions. For some, this may be menopause, while others it is libido enhancement. Interestingly enough, many of these phytotherapeutic agents are not detected by conventional testing methods. Fortunately, scientists have developed methods for identifying the estrogenic content and bioactivity of foods, herbs and other related agents (1-3).

The herbs tested for ER binding activity were also tested for their ability to stimulate cell proliferation in breast cancer cells. Table 1 lists the results regarding ER binding potential. Soy milk and the 11 herbs/spices listed are with the highest activity and are expressed in total estradiol binding equivalents per 200 cc (6 oz.) of soy milk or 2 grams of dried herb.

TABLE 1

Herbs and Spices Containing ER (estrogen receptor) Binding Components

Micrograms of Estradiol Equivalents/200 cc or 2 gm Dry Herb


Soy milk 8/200cc
Yucca 0.5
Licorice 4/2 gm
Tumeric 0.5
Red Clover 3
Hops 0.5
Mandrake 3
Verbenna 0.5
Bloodroot 2
Yellow Dock 0.5
Thyme 2
Sheep sorrel 0.5


It is important to understand that just because a food, herb or spice has ER binding capability, it does not mean that it inhibits estrogen formation or acts as a natural aromatase inhibitor. In fact, the total opposite is true. In short, Table 1 indicates that the 12 listed agents have estrogenic activity at low physiological doses.

The Connection to Cancer:

If breast cancer runs in your family, especially estrogenic receptor positive breast cancer (ER+BCA), that paying attention to what you eat and supplement with becomes of utmost importance. Now, you may be thinking that this doesn't directly affect you. Perhaps, but since breast cancer effects 1 in 9 females over a lifetime, chances are we all know someone who has it or will have it in our lifetime. Therefore, it is my belief that having information that may affect risk of breast cancer, it is important that we all know and share the information. Within the limited scope of this article, the information presented fits into potential supplements and foods or spices to avoid. Table 2 lists the results of the research examining the effects of the herbs on ER (+) breast cancer cells. Any herb or spice with a score above 400 has greater estrogenic activity than estradiol.

TABLE 2

Effects of ER(estrogen receptor) binding herbs on ER (+) Breast Cancer Cells


Coumestrol 2500
Licorice 1600
Jumiper 100
Bloodroot 0
Red Clover 3000
Nutmeg 200
Mistletoe 500
White Clover 500
Dong Quai 200
Yucca 2600
Thyme 2
Damiana 200


Table 2 indicates that coumestrol, red clover, mistletoe, don quai, hops, licorice, white clover, yucca and motherwort are more estrogenic than estradiol! For people at risk for breast cancer avoiding the aforementioned herbs and spices seems prudent.


Table 3 notes the progesterone-like activity of herbs and spices.

TABLE 3

Micrograms of Progesterone Equivalents/2 g Dry Herb


Bloodroot 100
Thyme 4
Ocotillo 8
Calamus Root 3
Mandrake 8
Red Clover 3
Oregano 8
Goldenseal 3
Damiana 6
Licorice 3
Pennyroyal 5
Mistletoe 3
Verbena 5
Cumin 2
Nutmeg 4
Fennel 2
Tumeric 4
Camomille 2
Yucca 4
Cloves 2


According to the researchers, none of the herbs tested are progesterone antagonists (the abortion pill and sometimes used bodybuilding drug, RU486 is a progesterone antagonist). However, red clover, licorice, goldenseal, pennyroyal and nutmeg are progestin (a progesterone-like hormone) antagonists. The herb with the greatest progesterone receptor binding activity was bloodroot. Interestingly enough, in alternative medicine, bloodroot, mandrake, pennyroyal, yucca and mistletoe are all used to bring on menses. These


About the Author: Douglas S. Kalman MS, RD is a Director at Miami Research

Associates (http://www.miamiresearch.com). He is also active with

http://www.sportsnutritionsociety.org and a consultant to NIKE Inc.




Author Reply
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SENIOR MEMBER Bloodroot Dangers March 5 2007, 4:14 AM


Just in case anyone was like me seeing Bloodroots high progesterone score and thinking, hmmmm, maybe I could use bloodroot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodroot


Bad news herb - toxic internally and externally. Maybe if you wanted to remove warts... but nothing else.

Stay away from bloodroot.

waxingmoon


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Anonymous
(Login Sarabell239) exactly what i was thinking. March 24 2007, 8:41 AM


thanks+


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Davilee
(Login Davi-lee) Caution on Pennyroyal... July 24 2007, 9:58 AM


Be careful of pennyroyal also.It can be toxic at certain levels *Internally.
It contains 85-92% Pulegone oil. i/2 teasp can produce convulsions and coma.
It was used as an abortifacient in older days.The amount that would bring those results are about the same amount that can poison you.
It was also used to promote menses.
There are two very different species.
European Pennyroyal, Mentha pulegium
American Pennyroyal,Hedeoma pulegiodes
Making a tea out of it doesnt look like a problem.
It makes a great insect repellent]]>