[jiberish]

So I am trying to figure out a solution to the plateau a lot of people get after taking PM for a couple of months. Last month I tried increasing the dosage amount from 1000mg to 1350mg and this didn't do anything. The month before that I doubled the massages which also didn't break it.

So I went back to the drawing board and started reading through chiyomilk's blog again and saw she had a plateau at the start. Which she claimed was because of hormone imbalance. Her answer at the time was to take wild yam. So I hopped on ebay and bought some. But being myself I had to look into the research of it. Unfortunately it wasn't good, again it was a case of supplements making false claims. But it left me confused because chiyomilk still broke her plateau using it.

So the next time I am just going all out and abandoning the minimalist approach I had before. So
1-14 (pm,pm cream, maca, calcium chews,vitC)
15-29(wild yam,maca,VitC)

I would like to hear other peoples experiences if they plateaued and what they did to restart growth.

[NotSoBusty]

YES jiberish! I support this experiment! I have been on PM for about 8 months or so, and I am definitely hitting a plateau. I plan on taking a break for the entirety of this summer anyway (I don't really have a choice..), but I want to do something in the meantime that doesn't require a lot of pills and supplements, but is useful for NBE. I want a cream of some sort that I can use now and again over the course of 3 months before I start PM again in the fall.

Maybe PC? I will look into wild yam, too.

I am hoping to break this plateau, as well! I'm looking forward to hearing your experience.

[Pansy-Mae]

Yes I hit a a plateau about 6months after the first growing pains ( and they began some 3 months after first starting NBE). I have not found anyway to really get things going again, unfortunately. I've stopped completely, I've increased dosage to 3000mg PM per day, I've swapped brands, I've dropped PM and gone to Isabelle's Hops/GR/Oats/FG/flax, I've added progesterone and nothing has made any difference. There has been a slow and unmeasurable change in shape, which I think the photos indicate although I'm not sure if that is wishful thinking, but I'm sure there is actually less volume now than I had back in June last year.

So, if anyone can come up with a kick-start I would love to hear it.

The one thing I can't do/am not prepared to do is stop completely for more than 2 weeks because I know that if I do, I definitely lose fat volume and that takes for ever to get back.

FWIW, Chrisssie used to say that she needed to go up to 3000mg to kick start her stalls, but took 2000mg a day routinely.

[Ladyflash]

I think you should try a liver cleanse and a break.

[jiberish]

Had a look at your routine notsobusty and it is quite comprehensive. Something above what your body can even utilize and some to a point where they may be toxic.

But you still plateaued. Which makes things more difficult.

One thing you might want to look into is that I have read that vitamin E is an oestrogen antagonist. So taking it during your PM cycle may be counter productive.

[jiberish]

So chiyo broke her plateu by reducing the effect of PM, then idreamofD posts that she takes it continuously and had good results.

Confusing logic!

[NotSoBusty]

Interesting info about vitamin E! I was just taking that to promote healthy, clear skin, but maybe I will just leave that to the luteal phase and see what happens...

[little mandarins]

yeah, I don't really know if i've plateaued or not, but seems like nothings happening in that department so far, at the start I seemed to have good response with bit of growth and lots of volume, but now nothings happening

Do you guys think that I've plateaued?? I've been on PM since September last year and have just finished my liver cleanse the previous cycle. Now I'm on Ainterol 1000mg a day from days 5-13 then days 18-25 and on the days I'm not on PM I take FG, WY and SP, or is it that I just need a new programme?? massages seem to not be working

I was thinking of trying to take 1500mg of PM a day, has anyone else tried that with Ainterol or is it not advisable.

Thank you for any suggestions.

[jiberish]

I tried 2xainterol and 1 thanya porn to make 1350mg, no difference.
What is WY?

[NotSoBusty]

Here is something interesting that Wahaika wrote on herbs on one of the old forums, and this can also pertain to PM. In the second post, he addresses stalling (number 6) in terms of positive/negative feedback. Pretty interesting, and it could help us figure something out!

http://beboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Routines&action=display&thread=3029