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Went through entire thread starting from page 6 because I fell behind OTL.

I found something on another forum about how some people reported their eyes lightening after taking supplements. I thought I'd mention it in case others were curious and wanted to give it a try. Or better yet, knew if it was true.

I've been considering getting some eyebright or bilberry sups. Anyone tried this yet or know any good brands? I'm mostly looking into it to prevent eyestrain and irritation since I'm in front of a computer most days. I wonder what bilberry tea must taste like...

I was wondering how you would prepare turmeric. I have supplements from greenbush. Would I just steep them and strain the herbs? Or do I need it in a prepared solution?

Others have pointed out this site already, but I thought I'd address one thing since I found it useful (and on the offchance that people haven't looked at the site). Better yet, I'll quote it.

Quote:( from http://exoticarabbeauties.blogspot.com/2...ghter.html )

The science of the honey (Thanks Noelle!)
One of my readers actually told my why honey makes your eyes lighter!

C6H12O6 (honey) + H2O (water) + O2 (oxygen) → C6H12O7 (gluconic acid) +H202 (hydrogen peroxide)

when honey is mixed with water AND oxygen it produces hydrogen peroxide so when you open your eyes right after putting in the drops, it helps lighten them faster by speeding up the reaction !
So your eyes can be get lighter quicker by keeping your eyes opened, I haven't tried it, but thanks for the tips.
i actually have a friend trying this and she said I could put her progress online! I will start this on a new post in about a week, when she stars, from beginning to end, a picture every week, for the nonbelievers and the determined people out there!

Others have alluded to this already (Mocha and Emily, I believe). The vitamin C powder may be worth looking into, but after what Mocha said about using peroxide, I'd be hesitant to use any on my eyes. Unless there's some way to dilute 1%?

Amber, thank you for posting the email to eyecolorboard. I'm gonna email them later so I can get access to the site.

^ Never read that post before. I've been so on-and-off here with all my contact problems. =__= I usually blink my eyes a few times when I put the drops in, just to make sure they really get into my eyes and don't just drip down my face (I'm so messy). So maybe once I get better at aiming the drops I'll just leave my eyes open (yes, all these years of contacts, and I still have problems getting the drops in my eyes. To be fair, I'm using a fairly large bottle; I think if I had a Visine bottle it'd be easier).

That'd be amazing if supplements could help restore my vision AND lighten my eyes! I was looking into Lutein, but if Bilberry works to lighten over time, I might start out trying that one (it'd be cheaper, too, although probably wouldn't help my vision quite as much). I'm going to look into this!

Hey again, i know it's been awhile lol. I recently started bck my eye lightening process and i know to be patient but i feel like i'm doing something wrong I have this bad habbit of being messy with my drops and get it all over the place & sometimes i feel like i put to much in my eye, is that okay? I also wanted 2 know if the sun effected your results in anyway? my mom thinks if I stay outside sometime my eye color will change better, like peroxide and the sun. I don't want to give up anytime soon..btw i thought you had to keep your batch fresh, my mixture use to have that same peroxide smell and i put it my eye, but nothing really happend infact it kinda made my eyes swollen. But idk your much more knowledgable about this than me. Should i keep my eyes closed for awhile after i put in my drops? thnx for helping me again i really appreciate it!

I'll post some by the end of the month kk

@Serra

GAHHHH omg I totally forgot to continue that post about the Vitamin C. But yeah, Vitamin C in definitely something worth looking into. Vitamin C powder with honey and water is something I'm researching into. Also in my last posted I stated that I noticed a hydrogen peroxide-y smell to my last batch after I left it for a while, so what I'm doing with this batch is leaving it to sit, cap off so oxygen gets to it to help speed up the hydrogen peroxide conversion. I'm going to leave it for a week before starting to use it and see what happens...But I wouldn't put undiluted hydrogen peroxide in my mix like that idk that's just me though[/color]
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#Day5Update

Well, My eyes lightened a little bit, you can't tell. my honey&water solution doesn't burn anymore, so I added some lemon, and it burns more But It's worth it.

@ Doll - I usually do the same. I think it might be effective to do both, though I've noticed there's a sting if i just blink once and hold. So that might also be something worth trying. I'm using a glass dropper, and I normally lay down to do it when I'm at home.

I don't know if bilberry or eyebright work to lighten, but there's additional health benefits so it's worth trying at least once to see if it contributes something additional to the traditional regimen. But definitely look into it Doll. I'd love to hear your results after using it to see if helps your eyesight. I wish you luck!

@ Emily - I think that if honey provides a hydrogen peroxide reaction, no one should really be looking into straight HP. But I found something interesting on another site that was selling eyedrops to lighten eye color. They had 3 for sale and one of them had vitamin C in it. This is it: http://www.magicbleunutrition.com/TurnYourEyesBlue.html

I'm not saying anyone should invest in it, but that it should be noted.

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I found another eye lightening forum called http://eyelighteningforum.forumotion.com/. It seems it was created after the bittyboy thing with eyecolorboard as a lot of the people seem to originate from there. Someone mentioned something interesting, which I'll quote here.

Quote:( From http://eyelighteningforum.forumotion.com...-degrading )

What you're seeing isn't melanin degrading.
  Smartieiz on Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:53 pm
Alright, so I'm on the other board and something interesting popped up.
It came to my attention that MSM makes collagen.
Collagen exists in the eyes and it makes blue eyes gray (the only color with less melanin that blue).
Anyway, since grey is the lightest you can get, blue/grey are still the same color, but it all has to do with how much collagen is in your eyes, since it reflects back ONLY grey/blue light.

I think that is what we are seeing here using MSM.
MSM makes more collagen, which soaks up all other colors except gray/blue, and it seems that there is a change in eye color since there is less brown pigment reflecting due to the influx of collagen being produced.

Simply put, nothing is happening to the melanin in your eyes, so all this chamomile, turmeric and what not is just bullshit.

Honey and MSM, however, have been shown to increase collagen production. So with people like vegetable, skygrounds and cookie, it makes sense that they were seeing what they were seeing.

They even said that the lightening stopped (obviously, the max amount of collagen was reached).

I have stopped using the drops since I read this, and I do not think I will continue using them.

The user later said that the honey with peroxide might do something. Others said that MSM helps clear blood vessels and increases membrane permeability in addition to collagen production. So I wouldn't disregard MSM entirely. Though if anyone has checked out the site I gave Emily, you'll notice the pictures at the bottom where the user has gray eyes. They were using two drops, one of which was the MSM drops.

I don't know what the user means by chamomile and turmeric not working. Any thoughts on this?

Ah, here's something.

Quote:{from http://eyelighteningforum.forumotion.com...lightening )

MSM alone isn't going to do much. You're going to want a melanin inhibitor like turmeric or chamomile. Boil a teabag of chamomile in a small amount of water. Put turmeric powder in a napkin or whatever those coffee paper things are called...when they use em to make coffee...? and do the same thing..as if you were making turmeric tea. Those together with some saline solution should be used after MSM drops...MSM opens the pores in your eye up and allow ingredients to penetrate better. Turmeric and chamomile inhibit melanin production. Honey has lightening properties...but honey will sting, as will the MSM. You can add honey to the chamomile/turmeric drops...but not too much because you don't want your eye burning to death.

Permanent is unknown. The experienced guy on there (the green eyed fellow) believes that the melanin is pretty much gone permanently. It would seem likely to me that his eyes would darken a bit over the years if he didn't maintain them with drops...but overall, I don't think if you lightened to the extent of green/blue, your eyes would ever go back to being their natural dark brown again.

It takes a very long time. He originally had a dark brownish hazel. It took him 3 years on some herbal drops (probably containing melanin inhibiting junk like chamomile) to get to light brown...and then his eyes lightened extremely fast after he discovered the use of MSM drops. It took him 2 months to get to the light green you see now after the 3 years of herbal drops. He estimates it'd probably only take him 3 months to get from green to blue if he wanted to. Once your eyes have gotten rid of that first, strong layer of melanin, the lightening process seems to be super fast.

The gal I posted a page or two before this with the dark brown -> noticeably light brown eyes took 6 months of chamomile & honey drops. She did not use MSM or turmeric.

The problem with this whole lightening thing is:

1. Your eyes are so valuable and sensitive to the range of ingredients you can use in eye drops is very limited.

and

2. There's really no known or tested method for speeding up cell turnover rate. If there was something for that, I'm sure the lightening process would be much faster.

RESEARCH:

Fungus breaks down Melanin
Certain fungus extracts actually break down current melanin. Currently, this is still a new development, but they hope to use them in natural skin lightening creams and hair bleaching products in the future. The extracts are expensive and nearly impossible to acquire.

Also, I just don't think it's a good idea to put random fungus powder eye drops in your eye.

Iris Melanin
The key to iris lightening, it seems, is to deal with current melanin. Skin lightening creams are mostly ingredients that inhibit melanin synthesis and speed up cell turnover. Because our skin melanocytes are extremely active and would be put to work if you went out to the beach tanning, it's easier to just inhibit this process and increase cell turnover to get rid of tanned skin.

Unfortunately, this means there's little products out there that breakdown melanin or destroy melanocytes.

The melanin in our iris is usually done being created around 3 years of age. This is why blue eyed babies can sometimes turn out with green or brown eyes.

When we go out in the sun, our irises aren't usually being exposed to complete direct sunlight like our skin is. Think about it. If the sunlight hits our skin, it's not a big deal. Then our skin gets to work with creating melanin more because the UV rays destroy melanin.

If the sunlight hits our eyes directly, it's uncomfortable and we squint, and look away. Our irises are protected by the shadow of our brow bones, eyebrows, eyelids, and eyelashes.

Bottom line:
Melanin synthesis is not needed to protect the iris from sun damage. So iris lightening results will be, for the most part, permanent.

Dealing with Iris Melanin
The only commercially used 'depigmenting' agent for skin is monobenzone, the monobenzyl ether of hydroquinone. It's used for patients with vitiligo to help speed up the process of depigmentation so they can hurry up and get pale, and get out of the awkward spotty phase. The problem with this is that it affects areas near its application. The risk of putting monobenzone powder in saline and applying them is that you don't know how it'll affect the skin around the eyes. You don't want depigmented spots appearing around your eyelids.

Fungus extracts, like discussed above, breakdown melanin, essentially getting rid of pigmentation (although not permanently, because I don't think they destroy melanocytes like monobenzone does) but is innaccessable and relatively new. So scratch that as well.

That leaves us with hair bleaching agent, hydrogen peroxide. No, you shouldn't go pouring it into your eye. Honey contains an enzyme that activates upon contact with body fluid that produces hydrogen peroxide.

Manuka honey has more hydrogen peroxide capabilities than regular store-bought honey, but Jarrah honey (from Australia) has 50-70% more hydrogen peroxide strength than Manuka. You can order it online.

Lemon is also a natural bleaching agent, but stings like hell. You'd want to dilute it a LOT with saline. I think Jarrah honey would suffice.

To increase cell turnover, I'd use Aloe Vera Powder in saline.

My theory is this:

Breakdown melanin by bleaching with Jarrah honey and/or lemon for 5 days of the week. Then use MSM and Alpha Arbutin (potential helper of flushing out weakened melanin cells) for a day. Then use Aloe Vera for the next day to speed up cell turnover. Repeat this for several weeks, and I wouldn't be surprised if the results were faster than this 5 year bs.

They have a laser coming out in 18 months for Europeans, 3 years for United States. It'll be called Lumineyes, google it. It destroys the melanin, and your body naturally flushes it out for 2-3 weeks then you'll have blue eyes. But at $5000 for a couple zaps, I say hell no to that. Plus I wonder if everyone would have the same looking blue eyes from that procedure…

I think melanocytes are more active at a young age, because that's when you're first exposed to light. After adjusting, your eye color isn't going to change much. I know there's exceptions especially among hazel/green eyed people, but they typically aren't super significant changes. Melanocytes become a lot less active, it seems, after youth. This would explain why a lot of eyes lighten ever so slightly over time, though most probably aren't significant enough to really notice changes. They could become active again at certain periods of life (like puberty, and other periods where people with blonde hair experience darkening)

Increased sun exposure over the years + moderately inactive melanocytes = a little bit of melanin cell destruction = lighter eyes. (typically. there will always be exceptions. also, most races with tons of melanin in their eyes [indian, asian, african] probably won't lose enough melanin in their life time to notice a change)

A person with brown eyes or even green eyes isn't going to lighten to blue eyes with age alone. It apparently has happened before, but that'd be a very rare, exceptional case.

But, you can tell melanocytes in the iris are a lot less active than one in skin because:

If you go to the beach for a week and tan in the nice sun, you'll notice by the end of the week you'll be a few shades darker as far as skin, and your hair with have a sun-kissed effect as well (yes, even dark haired people) and for gingers/super pale people, you'll sunburn of course, lmao.

But your eyes (alive cells, not dead like hair..so theoretically would darken with sun exposure) are probably not going to be significantly darker, even though your whole body was exposed to sun rays for long periods of time. If there was a significant change/eye color 'tanning', people with light eyes would report it and be avoiding the sun like the plague.

So unlike skin lightening, you don't need to be as worried about stopping melanin synthesis. The quicker way would be to find a melanin cell destroying agent safe for eyes.

Use MSM drops to help penetration -> Use melanin cell destroying agent -> use melanin inhibiting agent to prevent the bit of melanin production that might be going on after melanin cell destroying -> use something to increase cell turnover rate so that the process is sped up.

We have MSM, and we have inhibitors.

Melanin cell destroyers:

Remember, we don't want to kill melanocytes. That could potentially cause a lot of problems. We just want to kill the melanin cells that they have produced. I'm having a hell of a time finding ones.

Monobenzone is used for patients with vitiligo, but it apparently kills melanocytes, melanin, everything. It's probably way too powerful to use in your eye. Although you'd probably use a very low concentration, it apparently gets in the blood and produce depigmenting elsewhere. (in spots) I doubt the concentration you'd use in your eyes would be powerful enough to really cause noticeable change in your skin, but still.

http://www.askmehelpdesk.com/skin-lighte...441-4.html

I guess people using it on their skin experience iris lightening. Some are probably more sensitive to it than others. The person saying it doesn't change your eye color clearly doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. "Scientists haven't reported that so it can't be true!!" LOL.

You can see that these people are applying it at high concentrations. I'm thinking you'd definitely want less than 1% concentration in your eye to prevent the amount in the blood causing depigmenting elsewhere, noticeably. Also, it'll probably sting if it's at something like 10%.

That's all I found for now.

Cell Turnover rate increasing agents

Looking in the acne community as well as lightening community, it's safe to say these agents increase cell turnover rate:

Retinoids (cell turnover exfoliate) <---variations of vitamin A
Salicylic acid (exfoliate)
Aloe Vera
Biotin

Anything that exfoliates is going to speed up the process as well.

Okay obviously we don't wanna put any acids in our eye.

Conveniently enough, people with dry eye problems seem to work with retinoids and aloe vera.

Drops with vitamin A:

http://www.amazon.com/Viva-Drops-Lubrica...roduct_top

Unfortunately, since they're doctor recommended, you'd have to buy them online. But whatever.
And mixing some pure aloe vera gel or juice (NOT one with alcohol) with saline could probably help.

The key to anything is diluting with saline. Even if it's something that will burn, like MSM, it's not going to burn your eye to blindness/injury if it's diluted. (unless you're trying to put bleach in your eye or something) But I don't condone adding in mysterious chemicals to your eyedrops. Trying things out from researches is different with bones. With eyes, it's a lot more dangerous territory, so be careful.

Don't buy a lot. You'll be using a very very tiny amount in each solution you prepare so a medium-ish sized bottle of it should last you for this whole process.

Quote:A BRIEF GUIDE

MSM: Is a carrier. It will penetrate through the skin, and carry other ingredients with it. But does not do much, if anything, to lighten.
HONEY: Lightens because it creates natural hydrogen peroxide when it mixes with your tears. But will not block the formation of new melanin.
AA: Is the lightener used in most skin lightening creams. It blocks the formation of melanin.
Turmeric: Is up to ten times stronger than AA according to some studies. It blocks the formation of melanin.
Chamomile: Is a lightener, often used to naturally lighten hair. According to some it also inhibits melanin production.

I'm gonna stop posting from the site since it's pretty easy to register. I'm still waiting for a reply from eyecolorboard....

Hey there! I'm new here. I'd like to share my experiences in this journey with you guys!
I've started this journey 2 weeks ago, until yesterday I noticed a little bit of change
In this 2 weeks I've been using 4 different mixes:
-During the first 5 or 6 days I used 3 part honey/ 1 part water. I must say it burned like hell!!
-The second one was 2 part water / 1 part honey
After the first week I changed to a mix of 14 mL, 7 mL of them were water, 3.5 mL of chamomile and the rest of honey. With this I noticed some changes.
Yesterdar I started my second week, and I decided to change my mix, I made 12 mL: 6mL of them was water, 3 mL of chamomile, 2 drops of lemon and the rest honey. I must say with this one, it didnt burned that much, I started with this last night but today when I woke up my eyes were extremily darker!
I'm sad because I started this with light brown eyes, I almost hit the hazel color, but not I have darker eyes! Even darker that normally! I'm just so sad, I'm still going to try for a month and see...wish my good luck =D!
I'd like if someone can tell me with wich mix they get better results.
Good luck on your journey!

I forgot... does any one know how can I make a MSM solution? Because I just cant find it on my city...

(27-01-2013, 05:08 PM)blue_warrior Wrote: [ -> ]Hey there! I'm new here. I'd like to share my experiences in this journey with you guys!
I've started this journey 2 weeks ago, until yesterday I noticed a little bit of change
In this 2 weeks I've been using 4 different mixes:
-During the first 5 or 6 days I used 3 part honey/ 1 part water. I must say it burned like hell!!
-The second one was 2 part water / 1 part honey
After the first week I changed to a mix of 14 mL, 7 mL of them were water, 3.5 mL of chamomile and the rest of honey. With this I noticed some changes.
Yesterdar I started my second week, and I decided to change my mix, I made 12 mL: 6mL of them was water, 3 mL of chamomile, 2 drops of lemon and the rest honey. I must say with this one, it didnt burned that much, I started with this last night but today when I woke up my eyes were extremily darker!
I'm sad because I started this with light brown eyes, I almost hit the hazel color, but not I have darker eyes! Even darker that normally! I'm just so sad, I'm still going to try for a month and see...wish my good luck =D!
I'd like if someone can tell me with wich mix they get better results.
Good luck on your journey!

its okay, I have experienced this to a degree as well. It lightened and then it got noticeably darker.